---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/29/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Can I log PIC time (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 05:37 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (N395V) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (Eric Ekberg) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Eric Ekberg) 6. 06:30 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (Rick Galati) 7. 08:55 AM - Re: RV-6A rudder trim tab (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 8. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Jerry Springer) 9. 11:03 AM - RV-6 / 6a kits for sale (Scott Kuebler) 10. 02:29 PM - Fast 200HP RV-4 IFR For Sale $43,500 (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:25 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Can I log PIC time Folks, I'm getting ready for my first flight in my RV6A. The plane's legal, the pilot's legal, now I want to work on the safe part...I'll be going to Georgia in a couple of weeks to get some refresher time with Pierre. Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I can log PIC time in other pilots' 6/7/8/9...I don't have a tailwheel endorsement?! I know that the most critical times are take-off and landings - I want to practice some stalls, turns, and slowing down for landing etc. Experience is experience and I already have my type sign-off. Thanks, Ralph N822AR @ N06 0 hrs and chomping at the bit...... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:11 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time From: "N395V" I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run there is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your logbook. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:38 AM PST US From: "Eric Ekberg" Subject: Re: RV-List: Can I log PIC time Short answer is yes, you can log PIC time w/o an endorsement as long as someone else is "acting" as the PIC. 61.31 prohibits you to "act" as PIC in a tailwheel plane without an endorsement. 61.51 allows you to "log" PIC time for that portion of the flight in which you are the sole manipulator of the controls in a plane in which you are rated (i.e. Airplane SEL in this case). I copied the far sections below for reference. CFR Title 14, Part 61.31 excerpt (i) *Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes. *(1) > Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as > pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and > logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airpl ane > and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized > instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwhee l > airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuve rs > and procedures: > > (i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings; > > (ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such > landings); and > > (iii) Go-around procedures. > CFR Title 14, Part 61.51 excerpt: > (e) *Logging pilot-in-command flight time. *(1) A sport, recreational, > private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that > flight time during which that person=97 > > (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the > pilot is rated or has privileges; > > (ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or > > (iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of a n > aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type > certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight i s > conducted. > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrot e: > > Folks, > > I'm getting ready for my first flight in my RV6A. The plane's legal, the > pilot's legal, now I want to work on the safe part...I'll be going to > Georgia in a couple of weeks to get some refresher time with Pierre. > Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I can log PIC time in other pilot s' > 6/7/8/9...I don't have a tailwheel endorsement?! > > I know that the most critical times are take-off and landings - I want to > practice some stalls, turns, and slowing down for landing etc. > > Experience is experience and I already have my type sign-off. > > Thanks, > Ralph > N822AR @ N06 0 hrs and chomping at the bit...... > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:05 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time Milt said what I was thinking.....I wasn't planning to do this instead....I'm flying with Pierre regardless. I already have my sign-off for the 6A - just not a tailwheel - which I probably should get regardless/eventually too! -----Original Message----- >From: N395V >Sent: Dec 29, 2008 8:35 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > > >I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. > >I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run there is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your logbook. > >-------- >Milt >2003 F1 Rocket >2006 Radial Rocket > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:08 AM PST US From: "Eric Ekberg" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and part wrong. There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC time as specified by the CFRs. You are correct in that you can not act as PIC, but you are wrong in that you can log PIC time as long as someone else is "acting" PIC. See my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along the same lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a current medical? Eric On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V wrote: > > I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. > > I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run there > is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your > logbook. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:16 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time From: "Rick Galati" I asked several pilots a similar question because I have no tail wheel experience much less an endorsement and my recently completed RV-8 awaits! Recently, an ex-instructor friend of mine has been teaching me to fly his Citabria with him "instructing" from the back seat and I have accumulated several hours to date. As far as he is concerned, I can now fly it solo BUT he cannot provide the endorsement because he let his instructor status lapse. Surely, I thought I can log the time legally but quickly found out that one pilot said this, one pilot said that. A current and seasoned instructor could not give me a straight answer either. I finally decided to contact the AOPA which is what I should have done in the first place. No opinions, no hearsay, no urban legends, just the facts. The fact is this....YES you can legally log PIC time without a tail wheel endorsement as long as you are properly rated which means category and class. The AOPA has a full explanation detailing this often asked question at their website. Don't take my word for it or anybody else's. Check into it yourself. Contact the AOPA. When you are done doing the research, feel free to log all the time as PIC as long as you are the sole manipulator of the controls. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221600#221600 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:17 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab Robin, I think what is nice about your install, per the photo's, it should work on all airspeeds and head winds without holding any or much rudder control right or left. Looks great. Thank for your post. I don't have a trim tab on my rudder, so I hope it fly's straight. Jim RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab > > Linn, > To your point here is a trim tab used on our -10. Simple to > build during the process. Some have retrofitted theirs. We just guessed > on size but it works very well. > > http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/rudderTrim.htm > > > Robin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:43 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab > > > Well, I can't really answer your question about the tab size. A fixed > trim tab will only be truly effective at one certain airspeed ..... and > is usually set for the cruising speed most used. I'm building a -10, > and am going through the 'trim tab' scenario as we speak. There's been > a few emails with pictures etc. on the -10 list about bungee (spring) > trim systems .... some folks are really creative. I don't like those > solutions, so I'm going to attach a hinged tab to the trailing edge of > the rudder and move the tab with a model airplane servo. I'm in the > process of creating the servo controller with a 555 timer in pulse width > > modulation mode. > Linn > do not archive > > thomas sargent wrote: >> >> I am priming things. I gather that most planes have a small >> rectangle of sheet aluminum glued/taped to the trailing edge of the >> rudder and this is used to make a tiny trim adjustment to the >> rudder. I can't find a reference to this in my manual. Can some one >> advise me of the size of this this and what thickness is usually used >> for it? >> >> Thanks, >> ---Tom Sargent, RV-6A, almost ready for the color coat. >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 12/26/2008 1:01 PM > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:45 AM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > Along the same lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a > current medical? > > That is true, same as I can instruct without a current medical as long as the pilot is qualified to act as PIC. There are even some instructors that think you need a 2nd class medical to instruct, which you don't. You can instruct without a medical or only a 3rd class depending on the students qualifications. FAA in their wisdom has determined that we as flight instructors are not being paid as pilots but as teachers. Little OT but interesting. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:54 AM PST US From: "Scott Kuebler" Subject: RV-List: RV-6 / 6a kits for sale RV-6 / 6a kits for sale. Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer. Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons fully assembled. Top skins riveted. Both tanks are complete and sealed. Flaps and ailerons complete, but not fitted. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G). Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself. Construction is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included for both kits. Detailed photos are available upon request. Must sell. The first $3750 takes it all. Buyer arranges transportation. If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500 for the unassembled kits. Regards, Scott Kuebler Buffalo, NY 716-510-0318- cell scottam65@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:50 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: Fast 200HP RV-4 IFR For Sale $43,500 1989 Van=A2s RV-4=0ALycoming IO-360 200HP=0A10:1 Pistons=0AChromed Cylinder s=0A200 HP Cam=0A1000 TTAF=0A1000 SMOH=0AAnnual due 06/09=0AIFR due 05/10 =0A=0AGood compressions, regularly flown=0A=0AProp:=0AClaus Savier made woo d/fiberglass speed prop, Fixed Pitch=0AOverhauled by Claus 2006=0A=0APaint: =0AImron sunburst style, Red, Orange, Yellow Condition is 7-8, but there=0A have been added parts and replacements that require repainting. New=0Arudde r, gear leg fairings, canopy fairing repair, cowl modification,=0Aetc.=0A =0AAvionics:=0AGarmin SL30 NAV/COMM w/GS=0AGarmin GPS396 with Air Gizmos Pa nel Dock=0AXM Radio=0AXM Weather=0AKing KY197 Comm=0AGarmin GTX 327 Transpo nder=0APS Engineering PM8000 Intercom with Marker Beacon=0AGarmin MD200-306 VOR/LOC/GS=0ATrio Avionics EZPilot=0AEDO Vacuum Gyros=0ARocky Mountain Mic roEncoder which provides:=0AAirspeed=0AAltimeter=0AOAT=0AVertical Speed Ind icator=0APressure Altitude/Density Altitude=0A=0AElectronics International UBG-16 engine monitor which provides:=0ACHT all cylinders=0AEGT all cylinde rs=0AVolts=0AAmps=0AOil Temp=0AOil Pressure=0AData Recording=0AElectronics International FP-5L Fuel Flow/Totalizer=0AG-Meter=0AElectric Flaps=0ABell T ailwheel=0AFiberglass gear fairings=0AWing light (left side)=0AWingtip Posi tion/Strobe=0ATail Strobe=0APanel Lighting (Electroluminescent instrument l ights)=0AHeater=0ARear seat control stick (removable)=0ADJM Manufacturing T hrottle Quadrant=0AManual Trim=0A=0A=0ANow, the squaks..I=A2ve been doing a lot of modifications over the last 24 months. =0AA new rudder was built du e to trailing edge cracks on old Van=A2s design.=0ANew rudder is new design with thicker skin. 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