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Tue 12/30/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Kelly McMullen)
     2. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Eric Ekberg)
     3. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
     4. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Kelly McMullen)
     5. 09:29 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (N395V)
     6. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Brian Huffaker)
     7. 08:24 PM - Can I log PIC time (Bill Judge)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:52:54 AM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    No, you are misreading the FARs you quoted. No where does it say you have to have an endorsement to "log" PIC, only to "act as PIC". It states you can log the time if you are the sole manipulator of the controls. Quoting the same 61.51 you included: e) /Logging pilot-in-command flight time. /(1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges; Being rated is single engine land airplane, not tailwheel endorsed. Some of us are old enough to not have any of that endorsement junk, being "grandfathered". Eric Ekberg wrote: > Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and part wrong. > There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC time > as specified by the CFRs. You are correct in that you can not act as > PIC, but you are wrong in that you can log PIC time as long as someone > else is "acting" PIC. See my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along > the same lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a current > medical? > > Eric > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> wrote: > > <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> > > I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log > as PIC. > > I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long > run there is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable > hours in your logbook. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > > * > > *


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    Time: 07:37:11 AM PST US
    From: "Eric Ekberg" <etekberg@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    Ummm...that's exactly what I said?? On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote : > > No, you are misreading the FARs you quoted. No where does it say you have > to have an endorsement to "log" PIC, only to "act as PIC". It states you can > log the time if you are the sole manipulator of the controls. Quoting the > same 61.51 you included: > > e) /Logging pilot-in-command flight time. /(1) A sport, recreational, > private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that > flight time during which that person=97 > > (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the > pilot is rated or has privileges; > > Being rated is single engine land airplane, not tailwheel endorsed. Some of > us are old enough to not have any of that endorsement junk, being > "grandfathered". > > > Eric Ekberg wrote: > >> Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and part wrong. >> There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC time as >> specified by the CFRs. You are correct in that you can not act as PIC, b ut >> you are wrong in that you can log PIC time as long as someone else is >> "acting" PIC. See my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along the same >> lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a current medical? >> >> Eric >> >> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com<mail to: >> Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> wrote: >> >> <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> >> >> I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log >> as PIC. >> >> I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long >> run there is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable >> hours in your logbook. >> >> -------- >> Milt >> 2003 F1 Rocket >> 2006 Radial Rocket >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 08:47:08 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    How about this, "you are rated for a single engine land airplane, however, your endorsement to log time needs to be for a tailwheel on take off and landing." You can log the time in the air as PIC, but not the time for landings and/or takeoffs, because you don't have the endorsement for tailwheel, consequently, you need to have a rated and endorsed pilot with you. Plus, your insurance will not cover you for landings or takeoffs and you need to do that to get up and down with your single engine aircraft! I'm confused, how about you. In the original post, the instructor wasn't certified, so he couldn't give the pilot an endorsement. I think the pilot knows how to fly a tailwheel aircraft and he should go put in a few more hours with someone who is certified and can give him the endorsement. Just my two cents. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Ekberg To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time Ummm...that's exactly what I said?? On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote: No, you are misreading the FARs you quoted. No where does it say you have to have an endorsement to "log" PIC, only to "act as PIC". It states you can log the time if you are the sole manipulator of the controls. Quoting the same 61.51 you included: e) /Logging pilot-in-command flight time. /(1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person=97 (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges; Being rated is single engine land airplane, not tailwheel endorsed. Some of us are old enough to not have any of that endorsement junk, being "grandfathered". Eric Ekberg wrote: Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and part wrong. There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC time as specified by the CFRs. You are correct in that you can not act as PIC, but you are wrong in that you can log PIC time as long as someone else is "acting" PIC. See my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along the same lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a current medical? Eric On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> wrote: <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>> I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run there is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your logbook. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 * * ========== t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ========== target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com ========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 12/29/2008 10:48 AM


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    Time: 08:47:32 AM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    I read your post to say the exact opposite. So perhaps I misunderstood what you thought you were saying? ;-) Eric Ekberg wrote: > Ummm...that's exactly what I said?? > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com > <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> wrote: > > <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> > > No, you are misreading the FARs you quoted. No where does it say > you have to have an endorsement to "log" PIC, only to "act as > PIC". It states you can log the time if you are the sole > manipulator of the controls. Quoting the same 61.51 you included: > > e) /Logging pilot-in-command flight time. /(1) A sport, > recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log > pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that > person > > (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for > which the pilot is rated or has privileges; > > Being rated is single engine land airplane, not tailwheel > endorsed. Some of us are old enough to not have any of that > endorsement junk, being "grandfathered". > > > Eric Ekberg wrote: > > Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and > part wrong. There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and > "logging" PIC time as specified by the CFRs. You are correct > in that you can not act as PIC, but you are wrong in that you > can log PIC time as long as someone else is "acting" PIC. See > my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along the same lines, > did you know you can log PIC time without a current medical? > > Eric > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V > <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>>> wrote: > > <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com > <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>>> > > I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as > and log > as PIC. > > I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In > the long > run there is no significant benefit to packing a few > questionable > hours in your logbook. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > > * > > * > > > ========== > > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ========== > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ========== > MS - > k">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > * > > *


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    Time: 09:29:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
    I think relative to this issue the best advice so far is Rick's in the form of "check into it yourself" then decide. After looking over the FARs, definitions and AOPA interpretations I am convinced that the nebulosity of the FARs allow one to distinguish between "acting as PIC" and "logging PIC time" although this is illogical, to me, I am also convinced you cannot be successfully violated by the FAA for logging time as PIC based solely on being the sole manipulator of the controls. I think, though, one must consider the purposes for which they are logging the flight time and the benefits and risks thereof. I currently log flight time only for insurance and currency purposes and because I believe it is required. I am not going to obtain any more ratings and am never going to become an airline pilot so total hours are somewhat irrelevant to me. If you want to become an airline pilot and currently have only a few hundred hours then you may consider every hour possible as precious especially hours of PIC, IMC, ME etc. I have a friend that wanted to be an airline pilot and needed Multi Time. I would let him fly with me in my Twin Commander. He flew from the right seat and for all or some of many flights he was the sole manipulator of the controls. He was a Commercial MEL pilot with an instrument rating and therefore qualified to act as pilot in command of the plane except he never had a high altitude endorsement. >From an insurance standpoint I clearly had to be acting PIC as on every flight but as a "sole manipulator of the controls" he elected to "log PIC time" for those hours he flew the plane. He got an offer to fly a King Air and went through training and received his high altitude endorsement to qualify for insurance. Eventually the day came and he was invited to an American Eagle interview. The high point of his life. It was a group interview by 3 captains. The 1st part of the interview went well for him. They took a break and the Captains examined the candidates log books. After the break they questioned him as to how he could log PIC hours in a pressurised aircraft before he received a high altitude endorsement. They also noted a training certificate for the King Air stapled in his logbook and lack of one for the Twin Commander. One of the capatains suggested he was packing his logbook with "questionable hours". his explanation of the FARs and the various interpretations did not help. His interview ended at that point, he was not invited back. H logged a totlal of 25 hrs in the Commander, and insignificant amount in the overall scheme of things. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221800#221800


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    Time: 09:29:36 AM PST US
    From: Brian Huffaker <bifft@xmission.com>
    Subject: Re: Can I log PIC time
    On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > In the original post, the instructor wasn't certified, so he couldn't > give the pilot an endorsement. I think the pilot knows how to fly a > tailwheel aircraft and he should go put in a few more hours with > someone who is certified and can give him the endorsement. Just my two > cents. This is what I did when learning to fly the Starduster, flew with other partners in the airplane till I knew what I was doing, then flew with an instructor to get the endorsement. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Mounting brake resevior 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying


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    Time: 08:24:59 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Judge" <bjudge@gmail.com>
    Subject: Can I log PIC time
    Ralph: The question on Logging Time is directed at your insurance company not the Feds Provided the time is not going to count toward "Ratings & Currency" I know people that were permitted by insurance to call any RV time "time in type" Bill N84WJ RV-8.Blogspot.com On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:58 AM, RV-List Digest Server < rv-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-12-29&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-12-29&Archive=RV > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 12/29/08: 10 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:17 AM - Can I log PIC time (Ralph E. Capen) > 2. 05:37 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (N395V) > 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (Eric Ekberg) > 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Ralph E. Capen) > 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Eric Ekberg) > 6. 06:30 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (Rick Galati) > 7. 08:55 AM - Re: RV-6A rudder trim tab (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & > Leisure Realty) > 8. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Jerry Springer) > 9. 11:03 AM - RV-6 / 6a kits for sale (Scott Kuebler) > 10. 02:29 PM - Fast 200HP RV-4 IFR For Sale $43,500 (Paul Besing) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:17:25 AM PST US > From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> > Subject: RV-List: Can I log PIC time > > > Folks, > > I'm getting ready for my first flight in my RV6A. The plane's legal, the > pilot's > legal, now I want to work on the safe part...I'll be going to Georgia in a > couple of weeks to get some refresher time with Pierre. Meanwhile, I'm > trying > to figure out if I can log PIC time in other pilots' 6/7/8/9...I don't have > a > tailwheel endorsement?! > > I know that the most critical times are take-off and landings - I want to > practice > some stalls, turns, and slowing down for landing etc. > > Experience is experience and I already have my type sign-off. > > Thanks, > Ralph > N822AR @ N06 0 hrs and chomping at the bit...... > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:37:11 AM PST US > Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> > > > I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. > > I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run there > is > no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your logbook. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:59:38 AM PST US > From: "Eric Ekberg" <etekberg@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Can I log PIC time > > Short answer is yes, you can log PIC time w/o an endorsement as long as > someone else is "acting" as the PIC. > > 61.31 prohibits you to "act" as PIC in a tailwheel plane without an > endorsement. 61.51 allows you to "log" PIC time for that portion of the > flight in which you are the sole manipulator of the controls in a plane in > which you are rated (i.e. Airplane SEL in this case). I copied the far > sections below for reference. > > CFR Title 14, Part 61.31 excerpt > > (i) *Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes. *(1) > > Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act > as > > pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received > and > > logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airpl > ane > > and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized > > instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwhee > l > > airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuve > rs > > and procedures: > > > > (i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings; > > > > (ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such > > landings); and > > > > (iii) Go-around procedures. > > > > > CFR Title 14, Part 61.51 excerpt: > > > (e) *Logging pilot-in-command flight time. *(1) A sport, recreational, > > private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that > > flight time during which that person=97 > > > > (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the > > pilot is rated or has privileges; > > > > (ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or > > > > (iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of a > n > > aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type > > certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight i > s > > conducted. > > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net > >wrot > e: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I'm getting ready for my first flight in my RV6A. The plane's legal, the > > pilot's legal, now I want to work on the safe part...I'll be going to > > Georgia in a couple of weeks to get some refresher time with Pierre. > > Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out if I can log PIC time in other pilot > s' > > 6/7/8/9...I don't have a tailwheel endorsement?! > > > > I know that the most critical times are take-off and landings - I want to > > practice some stalls, turns, and slowing down for landing etc. > > > > Experience is experience and I already have my type sign-off. > > > > Thanks, > > Ralph > > N822AR @ N06 0 hrs and chomping at the bit...... > > > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:05:05 AM PST US > From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > > > Milt said what I was thinking.....I wasn't planning to do this > instead....I'm flying > with Pierre regardless. > > I already have my sign-off for the 6A - just not a tailwheel - which I > probably > should get regardless/eventually too! > > -----Original Message----- > >From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> > >Sent: Dec 29, 2008 8:35 AM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > > > > > >I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. > > > >I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run > there is > no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your logbook. > > > >-------- > >Milt > >2003 F1 Rocket > >2006 Radial Rocket > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:06:08 AM PST US > From: "Eric Ekberg" <etekberg@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > > Not trying to be argumentative, but you are part right and part wrong. > There is a difference between "acting" as PIC and "logging" PIC time as > specified by the CFRs. You are correct in that you can not act as PIC, but > you are wrong in that you can log PIC time as long as someone else is > "acting" PIC. See my other post where I quoted the CFRs. Along the same > lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a current medical? > > Eric > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:35 AM, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> > wrote: > > > > > I would say you neeed the tailwheel endorsement to act as and log as PIC. > > > > I know you ar anxious to get started but do it right. In the long run > there > > is no significant benefit to packing a few questionable hours in your > > logbook. > > > > -------- > > Milt > > 2003 F1 Rocket > > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221589#221589 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:30:16 AM PST US > Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com> > > > I asked several pilots a similar question because I have no tail wheel > experience > much less an endorsement and my recently completed RV-8 awaits! Recently, > an ex-instructor friend of mine has been teaching me to fly his Citabria > with > him "instructing" from the back seat and I have accumulated several hours > to > date. As far as he is concerned, I can now fly it solo BUT he cannot > provide > the endorsement because he let his instructor status lapse. > > Surely, I thought I can log the time legally but quickly found out that one > pilot > said this, one pilot said that. A current and seasoned instructor could not > give me a straight answer either. I finally decided to contact the AOPA > which > is what I should have done in the first place. No opinions, no hearsay, > no > urban legends, just the facts. The fact is this....YES you can legally log > PIC > time without a tail wheel endorsement as long as you are properly rated > which > means category and class. The AOPA has a full explanation detailing this > often asked question at their website. Don't take my word for it or > anybody else's. > Check into it yourself. Contact the AOPA. When you are done doing the > research, feel free to log all the time as PIC as long as you are the sole > manipulator > of the controls. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221600#221600 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:55:17 AM PST US > From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab > > > Robin, I think what is nice about your install, per the photo's, it should > work on all airspeeds and head winds without holding any or much rudder > control right or left. Looks great. Thank for your post. I don't have a > trim tab on my rudder, so I hope it fly's straight. > > Jim > RV9a > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab > > > > > > Linn, > > To your point here is a trim tab used on our -10. Simple to > > build during the process. Some have retrofitted theirs. We just guessed > > on size but it works very well. > > > > http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/rudderTrim.htm > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:43 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-6A rudder trim tab > > > > > > Well, I can't really answer your question about the tab size. A fixed > > trim tab will only be truly effective at one certain airspeed ..... and > > is usually set for the cruising speed most used. I'm building a -10, > > and am going through the 'trim tab' scenario as we speak. There's been > > a few emails with pictures etc. on the -10 list about bungee (spring) > > trim systems .... some folks are really creative. I don't like those > > solutions, so I'm going to attach a hinged tab to the trailing edge of > > the rudder and move the tab with a model airplane servo. I'm in the > > process of creating the servo controller with a 555 timer in pulse width > > > > modulation mode. > > Linn > > do not archive > > > > thomas sargent wrote: > >> > >> I am priming things. I gather that most planes have a small > >> rectangle of sheet aluminum glued/taped to the trailing edge of the > >> rudder and this is used to make a tiny trim adjustment to the > >> rudder. I can't find a reference to this in my manual. Can some one > >> advise me of the size of this this and what thickness is usually used > >> for it? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> ---Tom Sargent, RV-6A, almost ready for the color coat. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Checked by AVG. > > 12/26/2008 1:01 PM > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:33:45 AM PST US > From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time > > > > Along the same lines, did you know you can log PIC time without a > > current medical? > > > > > That is true, same as I can instruct without a current medical as long > as the pilot is qualified > to act as PIC. There are even some instructors that think you need a 2nd > class medical to > instruct, which you don't. You can instruct without a medical or only a > 3rd class depending on the students > qualifications. FAA in their wisdom has determined that we as flight > instructors are not being paid > as pilots but as teachers. > > Little OT but interesting. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:03:54 AM PST US > From: "Scott Kuebler" <scottam65@gmail.com> > Subject: RV-List: RV-6 / 6a kits for sale > > RV-6 / 6a kits for sale. > > Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator > trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer. > > Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons fully assembled. Top skins > riveted. Both tanks are complete and sealed. Flaps and ailerons complete, > but not fitted. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All parts are > alodined > and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G). > > Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself. > Construction is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included > for both kits. > > Detailed photos are available upon request. > > Must sell. The first $3750 takes it all. Buyer arranges transportation. > > If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500 > for the unassembled kits. > > Regards, > > Scott Kuebler > Buffalo, NY > 716-510-0318- cell > scottam65@gmail.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:29:50 PM PST US > From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> > Subject: RV-List: Fast 200HP RV-4 IFR For Sale $43,500 > > 1989 Van=A2s RV-4=0ALycoming IO-360 200HP=0A10:1 Pistons=0AChromed Cylinder > s=0A200 HP Cam=0A1000 TTAF=0A1000 SMOH=0AAnnual due 06/09=0AIFR due 05/10 > =0A=0AGood compressions, regularly flown=0A=0AProp:=0AClaus Savier made woo > d/fiberglass speed prop, Fixed Pitch=0AOverhauled by Claus 2006=0A=0APaint: > =0AImron sunburst style, Red, Orange, Yellow Condition is 7-8, but there=0A > have been added parts and replacements that require repainting. New=0Arudde > r, gear leg fairings, canopy fairing repair, cowl modification,=0Aetc.=0A > =0AAvionics:=0AGarmin SL30 NAV/COMM w/GS=0AGarmin GPS396 with Air Gizmos Pa > nel Dock=0AXM Radio=0AXM Weather=0AKing KY197 Comm=0AGarmin GTX 327 Transpo > nder=0APS Engineering PM8000 Intercom with Marker Beacon=0AGarmin MD200-306 > VOR/LOC/GS=0ATrio Avionics EZPilot=0AEDO Vacuum Gyros=0ARocky Mountain Mic > roEncoder which provides:=0AAirspeed=0AAltimeter=0AOAT=0AVertical Speed Ind > icator=0APressure Altitude/Density Altitude=0A=0AElectronics International > UBG-16 engine monitor which provides:=0ACHT all cylinders=0AEGT all cylinde > rs=0AVolts=0AAmps=0AOil Temp=0AOil Pressure=0AData Recording=0AElectronics > International FP-5L Fuel Flow/Totalizer=0AG-Meter=0AElectric Flaps=0ABell T > ailwheel=0AFiberglass gear fairings=0AWing light (left side)=0AWingtip Posi > tion/Strobe=0ATail Strobe=0APanel Lighting (Electroluminescent instrument l > ights)=0AHeater=0ARear seat control stick (removable)=0ADJM Manufacturing T > hrottle Quadrant=0AManual Trim=0A=0A=0ANow, the squaks..I=A2ve been doing a > lot of modifications over the last 24 months. =0AA new rudder was built du > e to trailing edge cracks on old Van=A2s design.=0ANew rudder is new design > with thicker skin. Needs paint.=0A=0ASkybolt fasteners put on aft edge of > top cowl to replace hinge.=0AAdjustment and minor fiberglass work needed. C > owl needs paint in this=0Aarea.=0A=0ARebuilt front canopy fairing due to ai > r leaking in cockpit Needs paint and minor finishing.=0A=0AInstalled rear > seat airvent in fuselage. Needs paint in this area=0A=0AInstalled fibergla > ss gear leg fairings. Needs paint and minor finish work.=0A=0AGyros need > overhaul from aerobatics. IFR not possible for obvious=0Areasons until over > hauled. Pitot static is fine and recently certified.=0A=0AMy plan was to fi > nish all these modifications and strip and repaint the=0Aairplane. The exis > ting paint is fine, but due to all of the=0Amodifications, if a new paint s > cheme is desired, it would be a good=0Atime to do it, instead of painting a > ll the areas that need assistance.=0A=0A=0AThe airplane flies wonderful. Is > very fast (170 kt cruise all day long)=0ASomeone with desire to customize > the cosmetics will have a fantastic=0Aairplane. Selling due to military dep > loyment and do not want to store,=0Ainsure, maintain, etc while deployed. > =0A=0AI paid $55k for this airplane before the IFR panel, and other mods=0A > totaling approximately $20K. Will sell a $75k RV-4 for $43,500 since=0Ather > e are some minor cosmetic work and paint needed.=0A=0AAdditional pics at ww > w.mykitlog.com/pbesing Will post more pics very soon.=0A=0APaul > Besing=0A48 > 0.236.2786=0Apbesing at gmail dot com=0A__________________=0APaul Besing=0A > RV-4 N73DD=0Awww.mykitlog.com/pbesing <http://0awww.mykitlog.com/pbesing>=0A=0A=0A > >




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