---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/31/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:17 AM - Terra 760 com radio rack (Ann Wilson) 2. 10:03 AM - Re: Terra 760 com radio rack (cbrxxdrv@aol.com) 3. 11:03 AM - Re: Can I log PIC time (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)) 4. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (Jerry Springer) 5. 12:40 PM - Lousy idle (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 6. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Can I log PIC time (John Cox) 7. 02:41 PM - Re: Lousy idle (Bruce Gray) 8. 02:54 PM - Re: Lousy idle (Mike Robertson) 9. 03:50 PM - Re: Lousy idle (William Boyd) 10. 04:55 PM - Looking for temporary hangar space in/near Manhattan, Kansas (jhnstniii@aol.com) 11. 07:12 PM - Re: Lousy idle (RICHARD MILLER) 12. 10:12 PM - Re: Looking for temporary hangar space in/near Manhattan, Kansas (FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:21 AM PST US From: Ann Wilson Subject: RV-List: Terra 760 com radio rack I need a radio rack for a Terra 760 com radio. Anybody know where I can get one? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Terra 760 com radio rack From: cbrxxdrv@aol.com Send an e-mail to Bob Setzer ( rsetzer1 @tampabay.rr.com ). I think you may be able talk him out of one. He may have an extra from his EZ. I also forwarded your this e-mail to him. This is the famous "Bondo Bob" No better glass man on the face of the earth :) Sal Lakeland, FL -----Original Message----- From: Ann Wilson Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:15 pm Subject: RV-List: Terra 760 com radio rack ? I need a radio rack for a Terra 760 com radio. Anybody know where I can get one?? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:56 AM PST US From: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) Subject: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time Hmmm . . . I like the interpretation than despite not having a tailwheel endorsement, signifying in my logbook that I have received sufficient instruction in tailwheel aircraft operation to handle a tailwheel airplane on my own as Pilot-In-Command, that I can fly a tailwheel aircraft and log the time as long as I don't try to take off or land it. So following this wishful interpretation of the FARs, as a single engine pilot I could log time in a Boeing 747 as PIlot-In-Command as long as I fly on only one engine and leave the other three shut down. I could get in over an hour's flight time logged at a 500 foot per minute underpowered loss of altitude descent from 35,000 feet before we hit the ground. Pete Cowper RV8 #81139 Lawyer-Pilots Bar Association member ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:02 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time You are a lawyer and write that? A 747 Is not a single engine aircraft even though you shut the other engines down, You are not rated to fly it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:02 AM, pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) wrote: > > Hmmm . . . I like the interpretation than despite not having a > tailwheel > endorsement, signifying in my logbook that I have received sufficient > instruction in tailwheel aircraft operation to handle a tailwheel > airplane on my own as Pilot-In-Command, that I can fly a tailwheel > aircraft and log the time as long as I don't try to take off or land > it. > > So following this wishful interpretation of the FARs, as a single > engine > pilot I could log time in a Boeing 747 as PIlot-In-Command as long > as I > fly on only one engine and leave the other three shut down. I could > get > in over an hour's flight time logged at a 500 foot per minute > underpowered loss of altitude descent from 35,000 feet before we hit > the > ground. > > Pete Cowper > RV8 #81139 > Lawyer-Pilots Bar Association member > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:44 PM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Lousy idle Anyone have a few words of wisdom for me: I'm pulling my hair out over a crappy engine idle that I can't seem to tame. The basic problem is that I'll start the engine and it fires right up and runs at about 700-750 RPM just like the book says it should. But from there, all it seems to want to do is gradually idle slower and slower as the engine warms up until it barely runs (between 450-500 RPM) by the time I've done all my checks and am ready to take the runway for takeoff. The engine is a new Mattituck built TMX-IO360 Lycoming clone with Lightspeed electronic ignition on one side and a magneto on the other. It also has Airflow Performance fuel injection with purge valve, a Sterba wood prop and Mark Landoll's 11 pound steel inertia ring bolted to the flywheel. The configuration is updraft with the AFP fuel controller bolted to the bottom of the sump (like carbureted engines) and uses Van's airbox. I've read the AFP manual and talked to the tech there and adjusted the idle mixture and stop numerous times but I can't seem to stabilize it. When I have the cowling off, I make the adjustments and taxi around a bit to warm up the engine and it seems to be ok. Then I'll put the cowling back on and the symptoms seem to reappear. There isn't anything banging against the cowling that I can see that would be causing trouble so I'm totally stumped! Anyone else having this problem? I'm flying out of a long but narrow strip with trees on three side and no good places to land near the airport. Needless to say it makes me nervous, even though the engine runs strong just off idle and at full power. Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM 4.1 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:17 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time From: "John Cox" Jerry, great catch. A SEL is certainly different that an MEL and one that requires a most specific type rating adds to the humor of Pete's legalize. Busted Pete! Happy New Year John Cox do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Can I log PIC time You are a lawyer and write that? A 747 Is not a single engine aircraft even though you shut the other engines down, You are not rated to fly it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:02 AM, pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) wrote: > > Hmmm . . . I like the interpretation than despite not having a > tailwheel > endorsement, signifying in my logbook that I have received sufficient > instruction in tailwheel aircraft operation to handle a tailwheel > airplane on my own as Pilot-In-Command, that I can fly a tailwheel > aircraft and log the time as long as I don't try to take off or land > it. > > So following this wishful interpretation of the FARs, as a single > engine > pilot I could log time in a Boeing 747 as PIlot-In-Command as long > as I > fly on only one engine and leave the other three shut down. I could > get > in over an hour's flight time logged at a 500 foot per minute > underpowered loss of altitude descent from 35,000 feet before we hit > the > ground. > > Pete Cowper > RV8 #81139 > Lawyer-Pilots Bar Association member > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:00 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Lousy idle Try it without the air filter. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: RV-List: Lousy idle --> Anyone have a few words of wisdom for me: I'm pulling my hair out over a crappy engine idle that I can't seem to tame. The basic problem is that I'll start the engine and it fires right up and runs at about 700-750 RPM just like the book says it should. But from there, all it seems to want to do is gradually idle slower and slower as the engine warms up until it barely runs (between 450-500 RPM) by the time I've done all my checks and am ready to take the runway for takeoff. The engine is a new Mattituck built TMX-IO360 Lycoming clone with Lightspeed electronic ignition on one side and a magneto on the other. It also has Airflow Performance fuel injection with purge valve, a Sterba wood prop and Mark Landoll's 11 pound steel inertia ring bolted to the flywheel. The configuration is updraft with the AFP fuel controller bolted to the bottom of the sump (like carbureted engines) and uses Van's airbox. I've read the AFP manual and talked to the tech there and adjusted the idle mixture and stop numerous times but I can't seem to stabilize it. When I have the cowling off, I make the adjustments and taxi around a bit to warm up the engine and it seems to be ok. Then I'll put the cowling back on and the symptoms seem to reappear. There isn't anything banging against the cowling that I can see that would be causing trouble so I'm totally stumped! Anyone else having this problem? I'm flying out of a long but narrow strip with trees on three side and no good places to land near the airport. Needless to say it makes me nervous, even though the engine runs strong just off idle and at full power. Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM 4.1 hours ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:49 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Lousy idle Dean=2C It sounds like you have an intake leak. A reason it gets worse with the co wling on is that there is warmer air inside the cowling. Without the cowli ng the surrounding air stays the same temp. May I suggest you get a spray water bottle. With the engine running=2C carefully spray all the intake co nnections and see what happens. If there is an intake leak the engine shou ld stutter. If that does not work give me a call. I think you still have my cell phone number. Also=2C we are flying down to your neck of the woods on january 10th for a week in Orlando at out timeshare. maybe we can get together. Mike Robertson > Date: Wed=2C 31 Dec 2008 15:39:06 -0500> From: dean.psirop oulos@verizon.net> Subject: RV-List: Lousy idle> To: rv-list@matronics.com> zon.net>> > Anyone have a few words of wisdom for me:> > I'm pulling my hai r out over a crappy engine idle that I can't seem to tame.> The basic probl em is that I'll start the engine and it fires right up and> runs at about 7 00-750 RPM just like the book says it should. But from> there=2C all it see ms to want to do is gradually idle slower and slower as the> engine warms u p until it barely runs (between 450-500 RPM) by the time I've> done all my checks and am ready to take the runway for takeoff. > > > The engine is a n ew Mattituck built TMX-IO360 Lycoming clone with Lightspeed> electronic ign ition on one side and a magneto on the other. It also has> Airflow Performa nce fuel injection with purge valve=2C a Sterba wood prop and> Mark Landoll 's 11 pound steel inertia ring bolted to the flywheel. The> configuration i s updraft with the AFP fuel controller bolted to the bottom> of the sump (l ike carbureted engines) and uses Van's airbox. I've read the> AFP manual an d talked to the tech there and adjusted the idle mixture and> stop numerous times but I can't seem to stabilize it. When I have the> cowling off=2C I make the adjustments and taxi around a bit to warm up the> engine and it se ems to be ok. Then I'll put the cowling back on and the> symptoms seem to r eappear. There isn't anything banging against the cowling> that I can see t hat would be causing trouble so I'm totally stumped!> > Anyone else having this problem? I'm flying out of a long but narrow strip> with trees on thre e side and no good places to land near the airport.> Needless to say it mak es me nervous=2C even though the engine runs strong just> off idle and at f ull power. Thanks.> > Dean Psiropoulos> RV-6A N197DM> 4.1 hours> > > > > > =============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed _122008 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Lousy idle From: William Boyd Might be safer to leave the engine off, blow shop vacuum cleaner air into the intake, spray soapy water on the intake plumbing and look for bubbles. I have never done this, but it sounds like it might work, pinpoint the leak more precisely, and there is no prop blast and extreme danger of loss of limb or life involved. We have a one-armed mechanic around here who stumbled into a running engine in the service hangar while setting the mag timing. Be careful. -Stormy On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Mike Robertson wrote: > Dean, > > It sounds like you have an intake leak. A reason it gets worse with > the cowling on is that there is warmer air inside the cowling. > Without the cowling the surrounding air stays the same temp. May I > suggest you get a spray water bottle. With the engine running, > carefully spray all the intake connections and see what happens. If > there is an intake leak the engine should stutter. If that does not > work give me a call. I think you still have my cell phone number. > > Also, we are flying down to your neck of the woods on january 10th > for a week in Orlando at out timeshare. maybe we can get together. > > Mike Robertson > > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:39:06 -0500 > > From: dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net > > Subject: RV-List: Lousy idle > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > Anyone have a few words of wisdom for me: > > > > I'm pulling my hair out over a crappy engine idle that I can't > seem to tame. > > The basic problem is that I'll start the engine and it fires right > up and > > runs at about 700-750 RPM just like the book says it should. But > from > > there, all it seems to want to do is gradually idle slower and > slower as the > > engine warms up until it barely runs (between 450-500 RPM) by the > time I've > > done all my checks and am ready to take the runway for takeoff. > > > > > > The engine is a new Mattituck built TMX-IO360 Lycoming clone with > Lightspeed > > electronic ignition on one side and a magneto on the other. It > also has > > Airflow Performance fuel injection with purge valve, a Sterba wood > prop and > > Mark Landoll's 11 pound steel inertia ring bolted to the flywheel. > The > > configuration is updraft with the AFP fuel controller bolted to > the bottom > > of the sump (like carbureted engines) and uses Van's airbox. I've > read the > > AFP manual and talked to the tech there and adjusted the idle > mixture and > > stop numerous times but I can't seem to stabilize it. When I have > the > > cowling off, I make the adjustments and taxi around a bit to warm > up the > > engine and it seems to be ok. Then I'll put the cowling back on > and the > > symptoms seem to reappear. There isn't anything banging against > the cowling > > that I can see that would be causing trouble so I'm totally stumped! > > > > Anyone else having this problem? I'm flying out of a long but > narrow strip > > with trees on three side and no good places to land near the > airport. > > Needless to say it makes me nervous, even though the engine runs > strong just > > off idle and at full power. Thanks. > > > > Dean Psiropoulos > > RV-6A N197DM > > 4.1 hours > > > &======= > > > > > > > > > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your > Hotmail=AE account. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:14 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Looking for temporary hangar space in/near Manhattan, Kansas From: jhnstniii@aol.com Listers--Are there any fellow RV-ers in/near Manhattan, Kansas that might have some extra hangar space for when I fly there occasionally to visit my parents?? The FBO wants $50/night. (!)? Thanks. --LeRoy Johnston (Ohio) RV-6A "Esperanza" 117.3 hours.? Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:00 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: Re: RV-List: Lousy idle it is time to get the guages out check the unregulated fuel pressure and the regulated fuel pressure, also check the you don't have an internel leak in the servo. but i would still bet it is an intake leak. spray all of the connections with wd-40 and see if you get an increase in rpm. rick --- On Wed, 12/31/08, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > From: DEAN PSIROPOULOS > Subject: RV-List: Lousy idle > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:39 PM > PSIROPOULOS" > > Anyone have a few words of wisdom for me: > > I'm pulling my hair out over a crappy engine idle that > I can't seem to tame. > The basic problem is that I'll start the engine and it > fires right up and > runs at about 700-750 RPM just like the book says it > should. But from > there, all it seems to want to do is gradually idle slower > and slower as the > engine warms up until it barely runs (between 450-500 RPM) > by the time I've > done all my checks and am ready to take the runway for > takeoff. > > > The engine is a new Mattituck built TMX-IO360 Lycoming > clone with Lightspeed > electronic ignition on one side and a magneto on the other. > It also has > Airflow Performance fuel injection with purge valve, a > Sterba wood prop and > Mark Landoll's 11 pound steel inertia ring bolted to > the flywheel. The > configuration is updraft with the AFP fuel controller > bolted to the bottom > of the sump (like carbureted engines) and uses Van's > airbox. I've read the > AFP manual and talked to the tech there and adjusted the > idle mixture and > stop numerous times but I can't seem to stabilize it. > When I have the > cowling off, I make the adjustments and taxi around a bit > to warm up the > engine and it seems to be ok. Then I'll put the > cowling back on and the > symptoms seem to reappear. There isn't anything > banging against the cowling > that I can see that would be causing trouble so I'm > totally stumped! > > Anyone else having this problem? I'm flying out of a > long but narrow strip > with trees on three side and no good places to land near > the airport. > Needless to say it makes me nervous, even though the engine > runs strong just > off idle and at full power. Thanks. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > 4.1 hours > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:04 PM PST US From: FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for temporary hangar space in/near Manhattan, Kansas Try Gatts IFR One Week Training School , I did my IFR training there nice people they might consider it they had a large hangar Dane N838RV RV8a In a message dated 12/31/2008 6:56:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, jhnstniii@aol.com writes: Listers--Are there any fellow RV-ers in/near Manhattan, Kansas that might have some extra hangar space for when I fly there occasionally to visit my parents? The FBO wants $50/night. (!) Thanks. --LeRoy Johnston (Ohio) RV-6A "Esperanza" 117.3 hours. Do not archive. ____________________________________ Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. _Get it Now_ (http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020) . (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) **************New year...new news. 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