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1. 06:20 AM - Re: Sample maintenance log entry (Kelly McMullen)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Sample maintenance log entry (Bobby Hester)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Sample maintenance log entry (Mike Robertson)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: Sample maintenance log entry (Mike Robertson)
5. 09:18 PM - primer! yeah, I know... (Nate Lewis)
6. 09:49 PM - Re: primer! yeah, I know... (Michael)
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| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
The key is to have all of your build logs with hours detailed, add all
those up in a spreadsheet, and ensure that the total exceeds the minimum
4800 hours for all of your airframe and powerplant work. You need that
and FAA form 8610-2 filled out. Use your spreadsheet as a continuation
sheet for your experience. It also helps to have a recommendation letter
from an A&P who is familiar with your work. You make an appt with FSDO
maintenance inspector and he will spend an hour or more ascertaining
your familiarity with maintenance, then sign off, approving you to take
the tests. There are 3 writtens, and oral and practical. Contact me off
list if you need more info.
Kelly
A&P/IA
Bruce Gray wrote:
>
> You should check with your local FSDO.
>
> Bruce
>
> www.Glasair.org <http://www.Glasair.org>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *mr.gsun@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:54 PM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> Dear Das Fed,
>
> I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful)
> RV-7, sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done,
> firewall forward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of
> my two RV experiences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right
> there with me) to go towards my own A&P license? I do all my own work
> and he still signs off the annual and complements my work. Would sure
> like to get my own A&P license before he retires or moves on.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson
> <mrobert569@hotmail.com <mailto:mrobert569@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in
> accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In
> addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the procedure
> stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The repairman
> certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection
> and sign it off. Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating
> limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> > From: recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
>
> <recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> >
>
> > I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
> being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
> >
> > Time for more research....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > >From: Michael <g4mech@sbcglobal.net <mailto:g4mech@sbcglobal.net>>
> > >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
>
> <mailto:g4mech@sbcglobal.net>>
> > >
> > >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
> not
> > >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> > >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
> out. All
> > >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
> > >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
> is a
> > >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> > >
> > >Here is the FAR:
> > >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
> and (c)
> > >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
> maintenance,
> > >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
> > >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
> record
> > >of that equipment containing the following information:
> > >
> > >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
> Administrator) of
> > >work performed.
> > >
> > >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> > >
> > >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> > >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> > >
> > >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> > >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily,
> > >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
> > >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
> for return
> > >to service only for the work performed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How you format this info is up to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >RV7 550Hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net
> <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> > >To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>
> > >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> <recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> > >>
> > >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
> entry
> > >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> > >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> > >>
> > >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
> service"
> > >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
> "agency&certificate
> > >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> > >>
> > >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> > >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> > >>
>
> > >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> > >>
>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ralph
> > >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
I built an RV7A. I am now working at Ft. Campbell, KY on Blackhawk
helicopters. When I visited my FSDO with my letter from work, It was
what I needed to get my tickets, I had worked there a little over 2-1/2
yrs, which is what was required. I asked about the time I spent building
my RV7A and was told that does not count at all. But I agree with the
other message check with your local FSDO.
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009JanJulyFlying.htm
mr.gsun@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear Das Fed,
>
> I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful)
> RV-7, sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done,
> firewall forward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of
> my two RV experiences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right
> there with me) to go towards my own A&P license? I do all my own work
> and he still signs off the annual and complements my work. Would sure
> like to get my own A&P license before he retires or moves on.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson
> <mrobert569@hotmail.com <mailto:mrobert569@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in
> accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In
> addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the
> procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The
> repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly
> condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
> the the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any
> specific questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> > From: recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> <recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> >
> > I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual
> and being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
> >
> > Time for more research....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Michael <g4mech@sbcglobal.net <mailto:g4mech@sbcglobal.net>>
> > >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> <mailto:g4mech@sbcglobal.net>>
> > >
> > >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since
> you do not
> > >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable
> (beyond
> > >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help
> you out. All
> > >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance
> time,
> > >description of work performed, signature and certificate type.
> If it is a
> > >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> > >
> > >Here is the FAR:
> > >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in
> paragraphs (b) and (c)
> > >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
> maintenance,
> > >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> propeller,
> > >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the
> maintenance record
> > >of that equipment containing the following information:
> > >
> > >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
> Administrator) of
> > >work performed.
> > >
> > >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> > >
> > >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than
> the person
> > >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> > >
> > >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
> engine,
> > >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily,
> > >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held
> by the
> > >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the
> approval for return
> > >to service only for the work performed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How you format this info is up to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >RV7 550Hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net
> <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> > >To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
> > >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> <recapen@earthlink.net <mailto:recapen@earthlink.net>>
> > >>
> > >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to
> put an entry
> > >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my
> fuel flow
> > >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> > >>
> > >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time
> in service"
> > >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
> "agency&certificate
> > >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> > >>
> > >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in
> accordance with
> > >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> > >>
> > >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ralph
> > >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > _========================>
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Greg=2C
Your time spent building and maintaining your amateur-built aircraft can co
unt towards your 18 or 30 month time requirement. How much will have to be
determined by the FAA inspector that will need to sign off your applicatio
n. I can tell you that you will need to also get a considerable amount of
time working on type certificated aircraft to qualify. And I can also tell
you that very little time will be able to count towards the powerplant por
tion of the rating. For that side make sure you document any time spent ch
anging cylinders and/or anything bolted to the engine as it came from the f
actory (i.e. alternators and exhaust systems are airframe compnents).
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
From: mr.gsun@gmail.com
Dear Das Fed=2C
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful) RV-7
=2C sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done=2C firewall f
orward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV exper
iences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go to
wards my own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the
annual and complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license
before he retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue=2C Feb 17=2C 2009 at 8:43 AM=2C Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.c
om> wrote:
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenanc
e=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the
logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major a
lteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearl
y condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me
a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech@sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. A
ll
> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time=2C
> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it i
s a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and
(c)
> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive main
tenance=2C
> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C prop
eller=2C
> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance re
cord
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine
=2C
> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfact
orily=2C
> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by t
he
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for re
turn
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an e
ntry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> >>
> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in serv
ice"
> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certif
icate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> >>
> >> Thanks=2C
> >> Ralph
> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > _=======================
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>
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| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Again=2C the time MAY/CAN count. Order 8900.10=2C Volume 5=2C Chapter 5=2C
paragraph 5-1135.B. clearly states that amateur-built experience may be co
nsidered. What it does not say is how much.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
From: bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
I built an RV7A. I am now working at Ft. Campbell=2C KY on Blackhawk helico
pters. When I visited my FSDO with my letter from work=2C It was what I nee
ded to get my tickets=2C I had worked there a little over 2-1/2 yrs=2C whic
h is what was required. I asked about the time I spent building my RV7A and
was told that does not count at all. But I agree with the other message ch
eck with your local FSDO.
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville=2C KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009JanJulyFlying.htm
mr.gsun@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Das Fed=2C
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful) RV-7
=2C sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done=2C firewall f
orward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV exper
iences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go to
wards my own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the
annual and complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license
before he retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue=2C Feb 17=2C 2009 at 8:43 AM=2C Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.c
om> wrote:
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenanc
e=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the
logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major a
lteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearl
y condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me
a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech@sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. A
ll
> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time=2C
> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it i
s a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and
(c)
> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive main
tenance=2C
> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C prop
eller=2C
> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance re
cord
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine
=2C
> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfact
orily=2C
> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by t
he
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for re
turn
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an e
ntry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
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> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in serv
ice"
> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certif
icate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
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> >> Thanks=2C
> >> Ralph
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| Subject: | primer! yeah, I know... |
so we're trying to get a handle on the whole internal primer thing, and
we're having trouble finding the representative arguments.
it's easy to find someone who says "hey, you're what, 60? your plane will
last longer than you will no matter what you do - build on." we're a bit
younger than that, and I hope our kids will fly our RV after we're gone.
it's easy to find scores of people saying "I don't want to get into the
primer wars, but here's what I did." anecdotes are fun reading, but since
they span from "1952 beaver on floats in salt water, and I didn't die"
through "1985 C172 in the midwest and you wouldn't believe the mess I found
when I pulled the skins", the anecdotes don't really help all that much
either.
we even find stuff like the eaa1000 articles from the nineties, which seem
to say that if you're not going to set all your rivets wet, you're not
serious about corrosion control. (and, in passing, that alodining does as
much to prevent corrosion as any amount of other prep and prime can.) that
sort of sounds like the most credible argument, but I haven't seen a lot of
RV build logs talking about setting rivets wet. why not?
we also find people pointing out that common primers are porous, and hence
useless for corrosion control - primers are for paint adhesion, not
corrosion prevention. hmm.
so...I don't want to restart the primer wars either. but I'm wishing I
could find each of the canonical points of view, as well stated as they each
can be, so we could be informed and decide.
I feel like we came late to the party and missed the brawl, and now the
information is lost. It would be easy to pick somebody and follow their
lead, but something a little more rigorous seems in order...
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| Subject: | Re: primer! yeah, I know... |
Build and fly........or prime, clean up, prime again the fly....depends on
you, and only you. Prime is always a good idea but practical experience
shows that good old alclad works great. Some folks do go overboard but its
there plane and what ever makes them happy is what they should do. Where the
airplane lives is a consideration too. Here in Southern California it is
pretty dry and warm most of the year. Back when Comanche's were being built
they primered all of the structure, when the Lock Haven plant turned into a
submarine factory (flooded) they were transitioning to the PA28 line and for
economical reasons they no longer primed, (might have been an option
though). How many PA28 have been scrapped because of lack of primer?? I am
sure a few but not near the numbers to make a huge dent in the choice.
Bottom line, either way has its advantages!! You are going to get a ton of
answers on this one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Lewis" <nlewis@wildblue.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: primer! yeah, I know...
>
> so we're trying to get a handle on the whole internal primer thing, and
> we're having trouble finding the representative arguments.
>
> it's easy to find someone who says "hey, you're what, 60? your plane will
> last longer than you will no matter what you do - build on." we're a bit
> younger than that, and I hope our kids will fly our RV after we're gone.
>
> it's easy to find scores of people saying "I don't want to get into the
> primer wars, but here's what I did." anecdotes are fun reading, but since
> they span from "1952 beaver on floats in salt water, and I didn't die"
> through "1985 C172 in the midwest and you wouldn't believe the mess I
> found when I pulled the skins", the anecdotes don't really help all that
> much either.
>
> we even find stuff like the eaa1000 articles from the nineties, which seem
> to say that if you're not going to set all your rivets wet, you're not
> serious about corrosion control. (and, in passing, that alodining does as
> much to prevent corrosion as any amount of other prep and prime can.)
> that sort of sounds like the most credible argument, but I haven't seen a
> lot of RV build logs talking about setting rivets wet. why not?
>
> we also find people pointing out that common primers are porous, and hence
> useless for corrosion control - primers are for paint adhesion, not
> corrosion prevention. hmm.
>
> so...I don't want to restart the primer wars either. but I'm wishing I
> could find each of the canonical points of view, as well stated as they
> each can be, so we could be informed and decide.
>
> I feel like we came late to the party and missed the brawl, and now the
> information is lost. It would be easy to pick somebody and follow their
> lead, but something a little more rigorous seems in order...
>
>
>
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