---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/02/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:51 AM - Re: Slick Start Module (Charles Rowbotham) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: wiring question (scott bilinski) 3. 09:55 AM - Re: Slick Start Module (J. Mcculley) 4. 11:00 AM - Re: Slick Start Module (Chuck Weyant) 5. 12:53 PM - Re:Slick Start Module (Jerry2DT@AOL.COM) 6. 01:14 PM - Re: wiring question (John Bright) 7. 01:30 PM - Re: Slick Start Module (linn) 8. 03:40 PM - Re: Mark Landoll starter bracket (Charlie England) 9. 06:33 PM - N14ZM for sale (Danny) 10. 06:33 PM - Re: Mark Landoll starter bracket (Louis Willig) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:58 AM PST US From: Charles Rowbotham Subject: RE: RV-List: Slick Start Module Hi Matt=2C We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel ba ttery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start contr ibuted to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot start pro cedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next RV. Chuck Rowbotham RV-8A (sold) > Date: Sun=2C 1 Mar 2009 09:59:33 -0800 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module > > > > Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would be m ost appreciated... > > Matt Dralle _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog- cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:31 AM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring question Just an FYI The wire the aircraft defense industry uses is M22759-44-gage-color or M22759-32-gage-color with the -44 being the better of the two. The solder used with this wire needs to be 1.5% silver I beleive, such as Kester 48. This wire is much stronger than standard wire of the same gage and can carry more amperage. We are switching over to this wire now at work and can save a fair amount of weight per aircraft. Scott RV-8a --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > From: Vanremog@aol.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring question > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:00 PM > Scott- > > All you have stated is correct, particularly with regard to > the reliability > of crimping vs soldering on all wires, but there is also a > significant > difference between 7 strand and 19 strand layup when it > comes to needing to use > lots of fine wires. This usually only happens when > running lots of I/Os inside > avionics boxes but 19 strand is far more resistant to > breakage than is 7 > strand and should be encouraged when using 24AWG wires and > smaller. > > > N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon > Valley) > > > > In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:57:08 P.M. Pacific Standard > Time, > rv8a2001@yahoo.com writes: > > After soldering 26~28 gage wires you just touch them they > break. We have a > connector at work with 28g and soldered! We tried to > rework it and the wires > broke off about the 3rd time they were moved, it was > scrapped. I can get you > all the mil spec numbers if it will help and the part > number of the new wire > if you want it. Although the new wire must have silver in > the solder. Oh and > in the aviation defense contractor industry, crimping is > the way to go. > > > > > **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax > professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:57 AM PST US From: "J. Mcculley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Start Module I've also used the Slick Start on my Lycoming O-360 for five plus years and near 600 hours with a 17 AH RG battery, many "hot" starts, a Skytec PM starter and B&C SD-8 PM alternator. I've never experienced better overall performance and the elimination of an impulse magneto feature is a very positive benefit. Jim McCulley Wittman Tailwind ========================================================================================== Charles Rowbotham wrote: > Hi Matt, > > We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel > battery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start > contributed to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot > start procedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next RV. > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV-8A (sold) > > > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:59:33 -0800 > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > From: dralle@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module > > > > > > > > Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would > be most appreciated... > > > > Matt Dralle ((SNIP)) ============================================================================================ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:30 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Start Module Anyone got anything GOOD to say about a single impulse Slick mags for a IO540? That's what I'm going to be running. Chuck > I've also used the Slick Start on my Lycoming O-360 for five plus years > and near 600 hours with a 17 AH RG battery, many "hot" starts, a Skytec PM > starter and B&C SD-8 PM alternator. I've never experienced better overall > performance and the elimination of an impulse magneto feature is a very > positive benefit. > > Jim McCulley > Wittman Tailwind > ========================================================================================== > > Charles Rowbotham wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel >> battery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start >> contributed to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot >> start procedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next >> RV. >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:25 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@AOL.COM Subject: RV-List: RE:Slick Start Module I've had 3 RV's all with O-360. The one with SlickStart fires instantly, far better than the others. I usually give it one stroke of throttle, no primer and she fires immediately in all kind of weather, engine temp hot or cold. Highly recommend same. Jerry **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:08 PM PST US From: John Bright Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring question This is from AS22759 which may be the latest designation of this specificat ion but it has no advice on selection:=0A=0ASAE-AS22759/32, WIRE, ELECTRICA L, FLUOROPOLYMER-INSULATED,=0ACROSSLINKED MODIFIED ETFE, LIGHTWEIGHT, TIN-C OATED COPPER, 150 =B0C,=0A600-VOLT.=0A=0ASAE-AS22759/44, WIRE, ELECTRICAL, FLUOROPOLYMER-INSULATED,=0ACROSSLINKED MODIFIED ETFE, LIGHTWEIGHT, SILVER-C OATED COPPER,=0A200 =B0C, 600-VOLT.=0A=0AI looked up the melting pints of t in and silver... 232 and 962 C respectively.=0A=0AThere are designators fro m AS22759/1 to AS22795/92.=0A=0AI haven't done looked but I imagine AeroEle ctric Connection has advice.=0A=0A Thanks,=0A=0A=0AJohn Bright=0Ao:757-864- 2305=0Ah:757-874-0861=0Ac:757-812-1909=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/people/Joh n_Bright/1450601073=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: scott bilinski =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon day, March 2, 2009 9:31:19 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: wiring question=0A=0A Just an FYI=0A=0AThe wire the aircraft defense industry uses is M22759-44-g age-color or M22759-32-gage-color with the -44 being the better of the two. The solder used with this wire needs to be 1.5% silver I beleive, such as Kester 48. This wire is much stronger than standard wire of the same gage a nd can carry more amperage. We are switching over to this wire now at work and can save a fair amount of weight per aircraft.=0A=0AScott=0ARV-8a=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Vanremog@aol.com wrote: =0A=0A> From: Vanremog@aol.com =0A> Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring question=0A> To: rv-list@matronics.com=0A> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2 009, 5:00 PM=0A> Scott-=0A> =0A> All you have stated is correct, particula rly with regard to=0A> the reliability =0A> of crimping vs soldering on al l wires, but there is also a =0A> significant =0A> difference between 7 str and and 19 strand layup when it=0A> comes to needing to use =0A> lots of f ine wires. This usually only happens when=0A> running lots of I/Os inside =0A> avionics boxes but 19 strand is far more resistant to=0A> breakage t han is 7 =0A> strand and should be encouraged when using 24AWG wires and =0A> smaller.=0A> =0A> =0A> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, S ilicon =0A> Valley)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:57:0 8 P.M. Pacific Standard=0A> Time, =0A> rv8a2001@yahoo.com writes:=0A> =0A> After soldering 26~28 gage wires you just touch them they=0A> break. We h ave a =0A> connector at work with 28g and soldered! We tried to=0A> rework it and the wires =0A> broke off about the 3rd time they were moved, it wa s=0A> scrapped. I can get you =0A> all the mil spec numbers if it will hel p and the part=0A> number of the new wire =0A> if you want it. Although th e new wire must have silver in=0A> the solder. Oh and =0A> in the aviation defense contractor industry, crimping is=0A> the way to go. =0A> =0A> =0A > =0A> =0A> **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax=0A> pr ofessional in your =0A> neighborhood today. =0A> (http://yellowpages.aol.co m/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000 ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:46 PM PST US From: linn Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Start Module Chuck Weyant wrote: > > Anyone got anything GOOD to say about a single impulse Slick mags for > a IO540? That's what I'm going to be running. Same here Chuck. If you do your job, it's expected. Screw up once, however ...... applies to mags too! You shouldn't have any problems (unless the AD applies!) and should overhaul them at 500 hrs. The overhaul will really make a difference, trust me. Linn do not archive > Chuck > >> I've also used the Slick Start on my Lycoming O-360 for five plus >> years and near 600 hours with a 17 AH RG battery, many "hot" starts, >> a Skytec PM starter and B&C SD-8 PM alternator. I've never >> experienced better overall performance and the elimination of an >> impulse magneto feature is a very positive benefit. >> >> Jim McCulley >> Wittman Tailwind >> =========================================================================================== >> >> >> Charles Rowbotham wrote: >>> Hi Matt, >>> We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single >>> gel cel battery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the >>> slick start contributed to a quick atart even if the engine was hot >>> (using the hot start procedure). Always got a start. I would install >>> another on my next RV. >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:27 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Mark Landoll starter bracket Louis Willig wrote: > > Hi gang, > > The bracket that holds the Mark Landoll Datson starter broke this > week, and Mark has none in stock nor does he plan to make any soon. > Does anyone have this bracket to sell ? I figure that some of you who > have changed over to the skytech or B & C may have this item. > > Thanks > > > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop Can you find a welder to repair it? If it's not repairable, here's a link to plans for making your own. (I have no personal experience with this; I just stumbled upon the link a while back.) http://abianconi.hypermart.net/Starter-Adapter.html Charlie ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:18 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: N14ZM for sale From: Danny N14ZM is for sale. Contact me off list for details. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL 407-687-3126 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:19 PM PST US From: Louis Willig Subject: Re: RV-List: Mark Landoll starter bracket At 06:30 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote: > >Louis Willig wrote: >> >>Hi gang, >> >>The bracket that holds the Mark Landoll Datson starter broke this >>week, and Mark has none in stock nor does he plan to make any soon. >>Does anyone have this bracket to sell ? I figure that some of you >>who have changed over to the skytech or B & C may have this item. >> >>Thanks >> >>Louis I Willig >>610 668-4964 >>RV-4, N180PF > >a link to plans for making your own. (I have no personal experience >with this; I just stumbled upon the link a while back.)> Charlie England Mark Landoll did, in fact, suggest that I weld the bracket back together. The break is across an area that would require a precision alignment. I'd rather get a replacement. HOWEVER, I'll just have to jig it up as best as possible and bring it to TIG man. If it breaks again, I'll get a Skytech. Funny, every time I think I'm spending too much on my sweetheart RV, I think of the days that I had a boat, or my ex-wife. Thanks for your reply. I'll let you know what happens. 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