---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/12/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - windshield sealant (davidbf@centurytel.net) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Kyle Boatright) 3. 07:07 AM - the key behind studs (Emrath) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: the key behind studs (Neal George) 5. 08:02 AM - Re: the key behind studs (Mike Humphrey) 6. 08:44 AM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Deems Davis) 7. 11:05 AM - Re: the key behind studs (linn) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Les Kearney) 9. 01:18 PM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Charles Kuss) 10. 01:39 PM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Deems Davis) 11. 02:24 PM - Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes (Frazier, Vincent A) 12. 03:47 PM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes (Charles Kuss) 13. 04:18 PM - Re: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Les Kearney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:19 AM PST US From: davidbf@centurytel.net Subject: RV-List: windshield sealant The product I used was clear, paintable, rubbery, came in a tube and is called Lexel, I believe. I found it at Ace hardware, the only place I could find it then. Don't know about a 3M product though. Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Greetings: Back in 2000 a builder recommended a 3M product "IIRC" = silver colored windshield sealant, rubbery, can paint over. Can not find this 3M Product on the Internet and his E-mail address in no longer valid. Does anybody have info on this Product or a valid 3M Product Number ??? Is there an equivalent to this product ??? What did you use ??? Thanks, Garey ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:40 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture JB weld is a good product for that application. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garey Wittich" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture > > > Greetings: > > Back in 2000 a builder recommended a 3M product "IIRC" = silver colored > windshield sealant, rubbery, can paint over. > > Can not find this 3M Product on the Internet and his E-mail address in no > longer valid. > > Does anybody have info on this Product or a valid 3M Product Number ??? > > Is there an equivalent to this product ??? What did you use ??? > > Thanks, Garey > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 AM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: the key behind studs Are there any A&P's on this list that can anyone advise me why the ends of four new studs appear to be the same and yet are not? The shorter threaded end screws into the hole easily, while the longer threaded end does not go in easily or accept nuts by finger tightening. Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finishing. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:50 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV-List: the key behind studs Marty - Studs are designed to be an interference fit. Put a little lube on the fat end and jam two nuts together on the loose end. Use a wrench to drive them to the desired depth. Remove the nuts and install the appliance. Neal ================ Are there any A&P's on this list that can anyone advise me why the ends of four new studs appear to be the same and yet are not? The shorter threaded end screws into the hole easily, while the longer threaded end does not go in easily or accept nuts by finger tightening. Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finishing. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:32 AM PST US From: "Mike Humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: the key behind studs Marty, Studs are threaded differently. The 'cut' is what is different. The shorter end usually goes into the case, whereas the longer end attaches something and uses regular nuts. Also you may find that the thread on the short end is coarse thread and the long end is fine thread though both may be 1/4x20. Also the short end thread cut is made in a way to 'bite' into the mounting hole so that it does not easily back out when you remove whatever it is that the stud is holding, ie carb, exhaust flange, fuel pump, etc. If you have an engine/parts manual or rebuild book it will list the proper stud with appropriate Lycoming parts #. The parts # will then tell you what kind of threads that you are dealing with. What studs are you dealing with and on what engine? You must use the correct studs for each application. Hope that this helps, Mike H 9A/8A SOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: RV-List: the key behind studs > > Are there any A&P's on this list that can anyone advise me why the ends of > four new studs appear to be the same and yet are not? The shorter > threaded > end screws into the hole easily, while the longer threaded end does not go > in easily or accept nuts by finger tightening. > > Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finishing. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:13 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture An award winning RV builder (Rod Bower) http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm gave me a great tip for this and appearances as well. he uses a diluted mixture of Pro Seal, wipes it around all of his rivet lines to partially fill any creases/voids and irregularities around the rivet head and the skin/dimple. Said it only took him a couple of hours to do his RV8. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....' http://deemsrv10.com/ Kyle Boatright wrote: > > JB weld is a good product for that application. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US From: linn Subject: Re: RV-List: the key behind studs Well, you don't say where these studs go, but from the description I'm thinking they're intake or exhaust studs??? Those studs have different thread counts on each end ..... and may be of different diameter on each end depending on your engine. And there's the possibility that they really are different studs ...... and got mixed up at the suppliers ...... the right bin right next to the wrong bin when stocked. Linn Emrath wrote: > > Are there any A&P's on this list that can anyone advise me why the ends of > four new studs appear to be the same and yet are not? The shorter threaded > end screws into the hole easily, while the longer threaded end does not go > in easily or accept nuts by finger tightening. > > Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finishing. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:09 AM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture Hi Deems Do you know what he used to dilute the pro-seal? Cheers Les Kearney RV10 # 40643 - some assembly required -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: April-12-09 9:42 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture An award winning RV builder (Rod Bower) http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm gave me a great tip for this and appearances as well. he uses a diluted mixture of Pro Seal, wipes it around all of his rivet lines to partially fill any creases/voids and irregularities around the rivet head and the skin/dimple. Said it only took him a couple of hours to do his RV8. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....' http://deemsrv10.com/ Kyle Boatright wrote: > > JB weld is a good product for that application. > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:33 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: RE: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture Les, The manufacturer recommends thinning be done with Toluene, although many builders have used MEK successfully. Lacquer thinner is about 92% Toluene. I've used it many times to thin ProSeal, when straight Toluene was not available. Charlie Kuss --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Les Kearney wrote: > From: Les Kearney > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 2:09 PM > > > Hi Deems > > Do you know what he used to dilute the pro-seal? > > Cheers > > Les Kearney > RV10 # 40643 - some assembly required > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Deems Davis > Sent: April-12-09 9:42 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal > out moisture > > > > An award winning RV builder (Rod Bower) > http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm > gave me a > great tip for this and appearances as well. he uses a > diluted mixture of > Pro Seal, wipes it around all of his rivet lines to > partially fill any > creases/voids and irregularities around the rivet head and > the > skin/dimple. Said it only took him a couple of hours to do > his RV8. > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > Boatright" > > > > JB weld is a good product for that application. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:39 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture I'm not 100% sure, but when I was doing the tanks, the best solvent for ProSeal was MEK, it doesn't evaporate as quickly as Acetone, and if I recall correctly it seems to cut the pro seal a little better. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....' http://deemsrv10.com/ Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Deems > > Do you know what he used to dilute the pro-seal? > > Cheers > > Les Kearney > RV10 # 40643 - some assembly required > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: April-12-09 9:42 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture > > > An award winning RV builder (Rod Bower) > http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm gave me a > great tip for this and appearances as well. he uses a diluted mixture of > Pro Seal, wipes it around all of his rivet lines to partially fill any > creases/voids and irregularities around the rivet head and the > skin/dimple. Said it only took him a couple of hours to do his RV8. > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > >> >> JB weld is a good product for that application. >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:34 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes From: "Frazier, Vincent A" 1. 08:05 PM - Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture (Garey Wittich) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:02 PM PST US From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture Greetings: Back in 2000 a builder recommended a 3M product "IIRC" = silver colored windshield sealant, rubbery, can paint over. Can not find this 3M Product on the Internet and his E-mail address in no longer valid. Does anybody have info on this Product or a valid 3M Product Number ??? Is there an equivalent to this product ??? What did you use ??? Thanks, Garey Garey, Use ProSeal. Wipe the excess off with a bit of acetone. Or go to any auto body supply house and tell them you want a tube of paintable sealant. They can fix you up. Vince www.flyboyaccessories.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:42 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes > Greetings: > > Back in 2000 a builder recommended a 3M product "IIRC" = silver colored windshield sealant, rubbery, can paint over. > > Can not find this 3M Product on the Internet and his E-mail > address in no longer valid. > > Does anybody have info on this Product or a valid 3M Product Number ??? > > Is there an equivalent to this product ??? What did you use ??? > > Thanks, Garey > > > Garey, > > Use ProSeal. Wipe the excess off with a bit of acetone. > > Or go to any auto body supply house and tell them you want > a tube of paintable sealant. They can fix you up. > > Vince > www.flyboyaccessories.com Gary, I've never heard of the silver windshield sealant you refer to. The sealant that Vince referred to is called 3M Drip Check Sealer. Auto body shops use it to seal sheet metal seams. It's paintable and easy to use. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:49 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture Hi Deems et all Thanks for the info. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: April-12-09 2:38 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture I'm not 100% sure, but when I was doing the tanks, the best solvent for ProSeal was MEK, it doesn't evaporate as quickly as Acetone, and if I recall correctly it seems to cut the pro seal a little better. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....' http://deemsrv10.com/ Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Deems > > Do you know what he used to dilute the pro-seal? > > Cheers > > Les Kearney > RV10 # 40643 - some assembly required > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: April-12-09 9:42 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fill MK319BS Rivet Head holes to seal out moisture > > > An award winning RV builder (Rod Bower) > http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com/Photos/RV8/default.htm gave me a > great tip for this and appearances as well. he uses a diluted mixture of > Pro Seal, wipes it around all of his rivet lines to partially fill any > creases/voids and irregularities around the rivet head and the > skin/dimple. Said it only took him a couple of hours to do his RV8. > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Kyle Boatright wrote: > >> >> JB weld is a good product for that application. >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.