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1. 06:09 AM - takeoff roll (charlie heathco)
2. 01:13 PM - Test (Bruce Bell)
3. 01:30 PM - Re: Test (Carlos Hernandez)
4. 01:38 PM - Re: Test (Matt Dralle)
5. 02:06 PM - Re: Test (Jerry Springer)
6. 02:24 PM - Re: Test ()
7. 02:48 PM - Re: Test (Bruce Bell)
8. 03:04 PM - Re: Test (Dale Ensing)
9. 03:06 PM - Re: Test (Terry Watson)
10. 05:20 PM - Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's (Dick Watson)
11. 05:52 PM - Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's (fiveonepw@aol.com)
12. 05:54 PM - Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's (Gordon or Marge)
13. 06:35 PM - Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's (Terry Watson)
14. 06:46 PM - Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's (Ken Cantrell)
15. 06:54 PM - Re: Crashing RV's (Ron Lee)
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I recall tha several pilots were killed dring the war doing rolls on
takeoff. charle H
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Anybody home?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Nope. At the moment I'm actually at work. :-)
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Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
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At 01:11 PM 4/14/2009 Tuesday, you wrote:
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Yup! Working on the Engine Mount... Finished the Instrument Panel Wiring yesterday.
Yahoo!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
Fuselage Almost Done...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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Sorry didn't hear the door bell.
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On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, " Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Bruce,
I'm watching the clock. Just like a high school kid waiting for the bell to
ring. Then I'm going home to finish up my fuselage so I can ROLL THE CANOE!
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: " Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: Test
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Hi Matt,
Thank you for the photos. You are the envy of the RV Bunch for lunch on
Monday here with that glass panel. Several still can't believe you got it
all in an RV-8 panel. Thanks for the photos!
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Test
> At 01:11 PM 4/14/2009 Tuesday, you wrote:
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> Yup! Working on the Engine Mount... Finished the Instrument Panel Wiring
> yesterday. Yahoo!
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> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880
> Fuselage Almost Done...
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> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Yes, you are load and clear
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From: " Bruce Bell" <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:11 PM
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That looks beautiful, Matt.
Terry
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Test
At 01:11 PM 4/14/2009 Tuesday, you wrote:
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Yup! Working on the Engine Mount... Finished the Instrument Panel Wiring
yesterday. Yahoo!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
Fuselage Almost Done...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
Low level acrobatics.
Rule number 1. Don't do it.
Rule number 2. Don't do it on impulse.
Rule number 3. Don't ever, ever, ever try at low altitude that which
you
have not perfected 100 times at altitude.
Rule number 4. When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push
harder.
It may not feel "right" but do it anyway.
An old fighter pilot who does not hold an ATP rating,
Dick Watson, Isle of Palms (Charleston), SC, 843-886-4533
RV list:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&
Chapter
09-04-13&Archive=RV
Time: 07:48:55 AM PST US
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>
Subject: Crashing RV's
Low-level acro. What are we doing to ourselves?
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------------------------------------ NTSB Identification: CEN09LA236 14
CFR
Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Saturday, April 04, 2009 in
Brookshire, TX Aircraft: ARGENCE RV-8, registration: N89EA Injuries: 1
Serious. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may
contain
errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
report
has been completed. On April 4, 2009, about 1440 central daylight time,
a
single-engine Argence RV-8 airplane, N89EA, was destroyed during impact
with
trees following a r oll during climb-out from the Mikeska Field Airport
(1XA4), Brookshire, Tex as. The airline transport pilot, sole occupant,
sustained serious injuries. The airplane was registered to and operated
by
the pilot. Visual meteorolo gical conditions prevailed and no flight
plan
was filed for the 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 personal
flight.
According to several eyewitnesses, the accident airplane departed third
in a
flight of four airplanes. The pilot of the first airplane was observed
do
ing a roll on climb-out. The second airplane climbed-out normally. As
the t
hird and accident airplane was on climb-out the airplane was observed to
do
a roll. Witnesses reported that as the airplane's wings rolled back to a
l
evel attitude, the airplane impacted into trees and subsequently the
ground
. The pilot exited the airplane unassisted, but was later airlifted to a
ho
spital. The pilot had not been interviewed at the time of this report.
It is
not kn own if the roll was intentional or not. An inspector from the
Federal
Aviation Administration (FAA) responded to th e accident site, and later
reported that the airplane had been destroyed by a post crash fire. At
1453,
the weather observation facility at the Sugar Land Regional Airpor t
(SGR),
near Houston, Texas, located 24 nautical miles southeast from the site
of
the accident, was reporting the wind from 170 degrees at 12 knots,
visibility 10 statute miles, a broken ceiling at 4,300 feet and at 6,000
fe
et, temperature 79 degrees Fahrenheit, dew point 63 degrees Fahrenheit,
and
a barometric pressure setting of 29.76 inches of Mercury. Index for
Apr2009<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9> | Index
of
months<" target=otherpageshttp://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp>
<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp>
--------------------------------------------------------------- NTSB
Identification: ERA09LA229 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident
occurred Saturday, April 04, 2009 in Englewood, FL Aircraft: Gaynor
Donald J
RV6A, registration: N88WG Injuries: 1 Fatal, 1 Serious. This is
preliminary
information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in
this
report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On
April
4, 2009, about 1435 eastern daylight time, a Donald J. Gaynor expe
rimental
amateur built RV-6A, N88WG, registered to and operated by a privat e
individual, crashed into trees in Englewood, Florida. The certificated
pr
ivate pilot was killed, the passenger received serious injuries, and the
ai
rplane sustained substantial damage. The flight was operated as a
personal
flight under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91,
and
no flight plan was filed. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at
the
time of the accident. The flight departed from the Venice Municipal
Airpor t
(VNC), Venice, Florida, at an undetermined time. Witnesses at a local
gathering referred to as the "Redneck Roundup," stated that a white
single
engine airplane flew over their heads at what they est imated to be 300
feet
and then the airplane did what some witnesses referre d to as a "barrel
roll" and others referred to as a "loop." The airplane di sappeared from
sight. Organizers of the roundup stated that there was no ai r show
scheduled to be performed at the gathering. Examination of the airplane
by a
Federal Aviation Administration inspector found that the airplane had
collided with trees in a heavily wooded area. T he wings and cockpit
canopy
had separated from the airplane. There was an i solated area of fire
damage
near the instrument panel and under the accesso ry section of the engine
consistent with a postimpact fire. The airplane has been recovered from
the
accident site for further examinat ion. Index for
Apr2009<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9> | Index
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months<" target=otherpageshttp://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp>
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| Subject: | Re: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
"When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push harder. It may
not feel "right" but do it anyway. An old fighter pilot"
This one's going on the wall of my hangar and burned into my brain
cell- thanks, Dick!
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| Subject: | Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Watson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's
Low level acrobatics.
Rule number 1. Don't do it.
Rule number 2. Don't do it on impulse.
Rule number 3. Don't ever, ever, ever try at low altitude that which
you
have not perfected 100 times at altitude.
Rule number 4. When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push
harder.
It may not feel "right" but do it anyway.
An old fighter pilot who does not hold an ATP rating,
Dick Watson, Isle of Palms (Charleston), SC, 843-886-4533
RV list:
Dick:
Hear, hear. Many pilot who have done aileron rolls have not recognized
the
vertical space they have used in the process. These are not well flown
slow
rolls with negative G when inverted. A poorly done aileron roll can use
a
lot of vertical space and it is possible to fall out of one if not
properly
set up and at insufficient airspeed.
Gordon Comfort N363GC
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| Subject: | Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
Toward the end of my training in the T-37 at Williams AFB, Arizona in late
'64 or early '65, my instructor and I were returning from the practice area
when he, (Capt. Monte O. Lillard), said "I guess I had better show you how
to do a low altitude aileron roll so you don't kill yourself the first time
you try it. Tighten your shoulder harness." I remember thinking "Why the
hell out I want to do a low altitude aileron roll?", but with uncommon
judgment, I didn't say it out loud. I cinched up the lap belt and the
shoulder harness and braced myself for whatever it was that he was going to
do. Wham! We were upside down with my helmet slammed against the canopy and
the cockpit filled with dust and debris and then just as quickly back right
side up. Of course Capt. Lillard had rolled us over and with full aileron
deflection while rapidly pushing the stick forward to keep us from losing
altitude, then pulled the stick back again as we continued over to upright.
I still remember two things about that little maneuver: first, how violent
it was, and second, we didn't seem to lose any altitude. I don't remember
what the g meter registered for negative g's, but it was obviously more than
I had expected.
Just to be clear, we were at altitude when he did this.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Watson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's
Low level acrobatics.
Rule number 1. Don't do it.
Rule number 2. Don't do it on impulse.
Rule number 3. Don't ever, ever, ever try at low altitude that which you
have not perfected 100 times at altitude.
Rule number 4. When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push harder.
It may not feel "right" but do it anyway.
An old fighter pilot who does not hold an ATP rating,
Dick Watson, Isle of Palms (Charleston), SC, 843-886-4533
RV list:
Dick:
Hear, hear. Many pilot who have done aileron rolls have not recognized the
vertical space they have used in the process. These are not well flown slow
rolls with negative G when inverted. A poorly done aileron roll can use a
lot of vertical space and it is possible to fall out of one if not properly
set up and at insufficient airspeed.
Gordon Comfort N363GC
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| Subject: | Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
Whether you're doing loops or rolls in any airplane, always check your
altitude before and after your maneuver.(Obviously, check your entry speed
too) If you're doing it right, you won't lose 10'. Make it part of your
practice. Also keep in mind that you must compensate for the extra wait if
you have a passenger in your RV. When you do a loop, you must remember to
release the back pressure once you've past vertical on your way up and let
it gain the needed altitude. ( I like to use about a half G going over the
top) You don't need to pull a lot of G's either. I never pull more than 3.5
G's - ever! Most of us don't have inverted systems in our RVs so we do
aileron rolls instead of "slow rolls". If you release the back pressure when
rolling inverted,(half G) you won't have to pull up as much at entry and you
will and you'll have a better chance of finishing at the same altitude you
started. When you practice, always do it at altitude and think each maneuver
out thoroughly ahead of time. RV's are clean and pick up speed super fast
when the nose is below the horizon. When you find yourself nose low and
inverted, roll out rather than split-S out! All the above are just my
opinions. I also think the 4 Rules are right on target and they might just
save a life!
Ken Cantrell
RV-6 - 815 hrs.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Watson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's
Low level acrobatics.
Rule number 1. Don't do it.
Rule number 2. Don't do it on impulse.
Rule number 3. Don't ever, ever, ever try at low altitude that which you
have not perfected 100 times at altitude.
Rule number 4. When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push harder.
It may not feel "right" but do it anyway.
An old fighter pilot who does not hold an ATP rating,
Dick Watson, Isle of Palms (Charleston), SC, 843-886-4533
RV list:
Dick:
Hear, hear. Many pilot who have done aileron rolls have not recognized the
vertical space they have used in the process. These are not well flown slow
rolls with negative G when inverted. A poorly done aileron roll can use a
lot of vertical space and it is possible to fall out of one if not properly
set up and at insufficient airspeed.
Gordon Comfort N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: Crashing RV's |
Re: RV-List: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV'sLet's quit killing ourselves.
One dead. Two seriously injured.
Ron Lee
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