---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/23/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re prop balance (charlie heathco) 2. 01:38 PM - -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? (Charlie England) 3. 02:37 PM - Re: Step Crack (David Leonard) 4. 03:34 PM - Re: Step Crack (Scott) 5. 03:35 PM - Re: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? (John Huft) 6. 06:11 PM - Re: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? (Vince Himsl) 7. 06:48 PM - Re: Step Crack (Sam Buchanan) 8. 08:49 PM - Re: Step Crack (Bob Perkinson) 9. 08:49 PM - Re: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? (Bob Perkinson) 10. 09:52 PM - Re: Step Crack (David Leonard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:15 AM PST US From: "charlie heathco" Subject: RV-List: Re prop balance I read about half of the exedddingly vebose write up re balancing. Ataching wights to spiner is nuts. I had myh cherokee balanced in lawrencwille ga and then when I bought my 6a I took it to the same guys airport and had it done. Relatively cheep. $175. bolts with washers in the flywheel was used. Then when I changed engines where I now live, Fayetteville, Ar, I had a significant vibration, using same prop. I found some guys in Mountainview who balanced same way, only took several washers, and was $250, well orth it. You only need to do it once unless a change is made. It goes without saying of course, that the entire mass is balanced, not just the prop. Charles Heathco ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:22 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? Being somewhat of a deviant in some (not all) areas, I've installed the motor mount, gear legs, wheels, leg fairings, and pants to get all those odds & ends properly aligned without the wings in the way. Pants & fairings have now been removed & stored. I haven't yet riveted on any of the fuse top skins, front or rear. Wings/tail have not yet been fitted to the fuselage. Now I'm contemplating the removal of the gear legs & returning the fuse to its dolly to do the engine/cowl fitting, plumbing, wiring, etc. This is with the idea that work will be easier with the fuse closer to the ground. I'll eventually need to 'unhang' the engine to have it overhauled (waiting until the last moment for that expense), so any rework would likely have to happen anyway. Anyone see any major issues with this idea? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Step Crack From: David Leonard Just another reason to build a taildragger? :-) Do not archive -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote: > > After discovering that mine was cracked two years ago --- 2/3 of the way > around also, I drilled the rivets out, took it down to my local professional > welder. He looked it over and said he'd advise against using any > reinforcements like gussets, etc. He rewelded it. I had it powder coated > again and it's been just fine since. Based on my experience, I'd have it > rewelded. Match drilling all those holes would be a bitch. Maybe you > should think about wrapping a reinforcement around the break like, damn I > hate to say this, duct tape to keep it from moving and getting any worse or > falling off in flight, until you get home??? > Chuck > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:06 PM > To: "RV-List" > Subject: RV-List: Step Crack > >> >> Well it's happened to me after just 164 Hrs of flying! The right side step >> is cracked almost 2/3 of the way around with just a little bit of metal >> holding it together on the outside edge. Looks like I'll have to break it >> off the rest of the way or it will fall off during my flight to/from >> Lakeland tomorrow or back North on Friday (Daytona to Hartford CT). I don't >> think it's repairable so I've ordered a new one from Van's. They seemed to >> think that others having this problem have beefed up the steps to keep it >> from repeating in the future....... >> >> Fred Stucklen >> RV-7A N924RV 164 Hrs >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:24 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Step Crack I was going to say that, but I bit my lip. Never seen a -4 with a cracked step! ;) Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die do not archive David Leonard wrote: > Just another reason to build a taildragger? :-) > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:00 PM PST US From: "John Huft" Subject: RE: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? Sounds like a lot of work. A straight 7 right? Consider hoisting the tail from the ceiling, it will bring the engine end down nicely. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? Being somewhat of a deviant in some (not all) areas, I've installed the motor mount, gear legs, wheels, leg fairings, and pants to get all those odds & ends properly aligned without the wings in the way. Pants & fairings have now been removed & stored. I haven't yet riveted on any of the fuse top skins, front or rear. Wings/tail have not yet been fitted to the fuselage. Now I'm contemplating the removal of the gear legs & returning the fuse to its dolly to do the engine/cowl fitting, plumbing, wiring, etc. This is with the idea that work will be easier with the fuse closer to the ground. I'll eventually need to 'unhang' the engine to have it overhauled (waiting until the last moment for that expense), so any rework would likely have to happen anyway. Anyone see any major issues with this idea? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:44 PM PST US From: "Vince Himsl" Subject: RE: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? Yes-Hanging the engine twice, mounting the gear legs twice, mounting the fuselage to the dolly twice...you get the idea. Leave the fuselage as it is, raise the tail to level the fuselage (see pic), throw in a bunch of cushions (I like small plastic boat bumpers and cheap Wal-Mart blue camping matt foam) and move on. You could build a bench that runs the length of your fuselage as I did, but you may find, as I did, that a small ladder that you can easily move is more effective. Even with the dolly, I doubt you will escape the extreme pleasure of being upside down, on your back with a flash light in your teeth, under the panel and trying to figure out a connector (or fitting) that is located right between the effective ranges of your bifocals. Don't do any step in this project more than necessary! Vince-n8432-hanger-june08.jpg My RV-8 a year ago Regards, Vince H. RV8 N8432 - Taxi tests & Preparing for final inspection -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: April 23, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? Being somewhat of a deviant in some (not all) areas, I've installed the motor mount, gear legs, wheels, leg fairings, and pants to get all those odds & ends properly aligned without the wings in the way. Pants & fairings have now been removed & stored. I haven't yet riveted on any of the fuse top skins, front or rear. Wings/tail have not yet been fitted to the fuselage. Now I'm contemplating the removal of the gear legs & returning the fuse to its dolly to do the engine/cowl fitting, plumbing, wiring, etc. This is with the idea that work will be easier with the fuse closer to the ground. I'll eventually need to 'unhang' the engine to have it overhauled (waiting until the last moment for that expense), so any rework would likely have to happen anyway. Anyone see any major issues with this idea? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:10 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Step Crack Scott wrote: > > I was going to say that, but I bit my lip. Never seen a -4 with a > cracked step! ;) I recently put a right-side step on my -6, hope it doesn't crack........ By the way, shortening the step three inches made it a perfect fit for the RV-6. I cut three inches out of the down tube, MIGed a piece of 4130 tubing into the leading edge of the tube, and welded it back together. After dressing the welds, it looks like it was designed for the taildragger. :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:13 PM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Step Crack ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:14 PM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: Re: RV-List: -7: Hang the engine with fuselage still on a dolly? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Step Crack From: David Leonard Sigh, Sam. Way to ruin a perfectly good taildragger excuse. Dave Leonard On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Scott wrote: > >> >> I was going to say that, but I bit my lip. Never seen a -4 with a cracked >> step! ;) >> > > I recently put a right-side step on my -6, hope it doesn't crack........ > > By the way, shortening the step three inches made it a perfect fit for the > RV-6. I cut three inches out of the down tube, MIGed a piece of 4130 tubing > into the leading edge of the tube, and welded it back together. After > dressing the welds, it looks like it was designed for the taildragger. :-) > > Sam Buchanan > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.