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1. 05:19 AM - Adjusting spark plug gap (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Adjusting spark plug gap (Denis Walsh)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Adjusting spark plug gap (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Adjusting spark plug gap (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Adjusting spark plug gap (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: Adjusting spark plug gap (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:51 AM - Leaking Tank How To (david cook)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (linn)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (lenleg@aol.com)
10. 11:11 AM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (david cook)
11. 12:00 PM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (Charlie England)
12. 12:07 PM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (Vincent Himsl)
13. 12:13 PM - Re: Green Loctite per Charlie England (Louis Willig)
14. 12:53 PM - Re: Leaking Tank How To (linn)
15. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Green Loctite per Charlie England (Charlie England)
16. 04:40 PM - Jack's Final Flight (Tom Gummo)
17. 07:40 PM - Re: Jack's Final Flight (Terry Watson)
18. 08:18 PM - Re: Jack's Final Flight (halbenjamin@optonline.net)
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| Subject: | Adjusting spark plug gap |
I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what are you using
to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging the center electrode
or ceeramic.
I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not consistent -
some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to make them all the same.....
The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in (holding the plug
in your hand with the working end up - kinda like car plugs), as opposed to in
then up (which I've seen in pictures - not on my plane).
Thanks,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Adjusting spark plug gap |
I use a pair of small needlenose pliers with a 90 degree bend in them,
very carefully. I use the regular tools for bending them in, since
the danger to ceramic is greater.
Am looking forward to getting some better ideas from the list!
DW
On May 21, 2009, at 6:16 , Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what
> are you using to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging
> the center electrode or ceeramic.
>
> I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not
> consistent - some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to
> make them all the same.....
>
> The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in
> (holding the plug in your hand with the working end up - kinda like
> car plugs), as opposed to in then up (which I've seen in pictures -
> not on my plane).
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adjusting spark plug gap |
Leave the small gap where it is. It will erode to .016-.018 very
shortly. Reduce the gap on the others to the specified .016-.018 range.
Trying to bend for increased gap is asking for trouble.
KM
A&P/IA
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what are you using
to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging the center electrode
or ceeramic.
>
> I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not consistent
- some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to make them all the same.....
>
> The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in (holding the plug
in your hand with the working end up - kinda like car plugs), as opposed to
in then up (which I've seen in pictures - not on my plane).
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adjusting spark plug gap |
Thanks Denis,
I have a tool that I used on my car spark plugs - but haven't found the same thing
for these Massive Electrode units.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdfeel02.html are the car ones and they work fine for automotive plugs but the openings to adjust the gap outward are not big enough for aviation plug side electrodes.
I'll check with my local A&P......
The search continues
-----Original Message-----
>From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
>Sent: May 21, 2009 8:56 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Adjusting spark plug gap
>
>
>I use a pair of small needlenose pliers with a 90 degree bend in them,
>very carefully. I use the regular tools for bending them in, since
>the danger to ceramic is greater.
>
>Am looking forward to getting some better ideas from the list!
>
>DW
>On May 21, 2009, at 6:16 , Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what
>> are you using to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging
>> the center electrode or ceeramic.
>>
>> I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not
>> consistent - some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to
>> make them all the same.....
>>
>> The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in
>> (holding the plug in your hand with the working end up - kinda like
>> car plugs), as opposed to in then up (which I've seen in pictures -
>> not on my plane).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adjusting spark plug gap |
Kelly,
I thought that there was the potential for messing something up - hence the question.
I'm guessing that as long as the plug has some gap (they all did) to fire, the
engine will run.....
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>Sent: May 21, 2009 9:35 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Adjusting spark plug gap
>
>
>Leave the small gap where it is. It will erode to .016-.018 very
>shortly. Reduce the gap on the others to the specified .016-.018 range.
>Trying to bend for increased gap is asking for trouble.
>KM
>A&P/IA
>
>Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>> I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what are you
using to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging the center electrode
or ceeramic.
>>
>> I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not consistent
- some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to make them all the same.....
>>
>> The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in (holding the plug
in your hand with the working end up - kinda like car plugs), as opposed to
in then up (which I've seen in pictures - not on my plane).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adjusting spark plug gap |
Correct, and your tightest gap is only .001 less than specified. Leave
well enough alone and just deal with the plug(s) that are out of spec
too wide.
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> Kelly,
>
> I thought that there was the potential for messing something up - hence the question.
>
> I'm guessing that as long as the plug has some gap (they all did) to fire, the
engine will run.....
>
> Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>> Sent: May 21, 2009 9:35 AM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Adjusting spark plug gap
>>
>>
>> Leave the small gap where it is. It will erode to .016-.018 very
>> shortly. Reduce the gap on the others to the specified .016-.018 range.
>> Trying to bend for increased gap is asking for trouble.
>> KM
>> A&P/IA
>>
>> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have the tool to measure the gaps and make the gap smaller - what are you
using to make the gap bigger? I don't want to risk damaging the center electrode
or ceeramic.
>>>
>>> I have some new plugs - fresh out of the box....their gaps are not consistent
- some as low .015 and some as high as .025. I want to make them all the same.....
>>>
>>> The plugs are UREM37BY and the outer electrodes go up then in (holding the
plug in your hand with the working end up - kinda like car plugs), as opposed
to in then up (which I've seen in pictures - not on my plane).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Leaking Tank How To |
Hi All
I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the green Loctite.
My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us up. Any Magiver solutions
out there. I'm a little concerned with using the vacuum cleaner. Its on
a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.
Thanks
David R. Cook
N815DC RV-6
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank How To |
First off, you don't need much vacuum, if at all. The green Loctite
will wick into the hole on it's own.
Second ..... well, if there's a good amount of airflow ..... don't seal
up the hose in the filler neck at all ..... there will not be sufficient
air/fuel ratio to ignite ..... which is where I think the 'blowing us
up' comes from. But, if you're not comfortable doing the vacuum cleaner
thingy ..... just don't. Safety should be your first consideration. I
think collapsing the tank would be more concern than blowing it up!
You could probably suck a little vacuum on the tank by attaching one of
the vacuum brake bleeders to the tank vent line.
Linn
david cook wrote:
> Hi All
> I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the green
> Loctite. My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us up.
> Any Magiver solutions out there. I'm a little concerned with using the
> vacuum cleaner. Its on a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.
> Thanks
>
> David R. Cook
> N815DC RV-6
> Flying
>
>
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> *
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank How To |
Tell me about the Green Loctite ... automotive stores?? I have a small leak I would
like to fix.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: linn <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
?
First off, you don't need much vacuum, if at all. The green Loctite will wick into
the hole on it's own.?
?
Second ..... well, if there's a good amount of airflow ..... don't seal up the
hose in the filler neck at all ..... there will not be sufficient air/fuel ratio
to ignite ..... which is where I think the 'blowing us up' comes from. But,
if you're not comfortable doing the vacuum cleaner thingy ..... just don't. Safety
should be your first consideration. I think collapsing the tank would be
more concern than blowing it up!?
?
You could probably suck a little vacuum on the tank by attaching one of the vacuum
brake bleeders to the tank vent line.?
?
Linn?
?
david cook wrote:?
> Hi All?
> I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the green > Loctite.
My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us up. > Any Magiver
solutions out there. I'm a little concerned with using the > vacuum cleaner.
Its on a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.?
> Thanks?
> > David R. Cook?
> N815DC RV-6?
> Flying?
> > > *?
> > > *?
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------?
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank How To |
Yes I found it at NAPA
David R. Cook
N815DC RV-6
Flying
________________________________
From: "lenleg@aol.com" <lenleg@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:49:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
Tell me about the Green Loctite ... automotive stores? I have a small leak I would
like to fix.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: linn <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
First off, you don't need much vacuum, if at all. The green Loctite will wick into
the hole on it's own.
Second ..... well, if there's a good amount of airflow ..... don't seal up the
hose in the filler neck at all ..... there will not be sufficient air/fuel ratio
to ignite ..... which is where I think the 'blowing us up' comes from. But,
if you're not comfortable doing the vacuum cleaner thingy ..... just don't. Safety
should be your first consideration. I think collapsing the tank would be
more concern than blowing it up!
You could probably suck a little vacuum on the tank by attaching one of the vacuum
brake bleeders to the tank vent line.
Linn
david cook wrote:
> Hi All
> I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the green > Loctite.
My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us up. > Any Magiver
solutions out there. I'm a little concerned with using the > vacuum cleaner.
Its on a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.
> Thanks
> > David R. Cook
> N815DC RV-6
> Flying
> > > *
> > > *
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank How To |
Hi Len,
Lots of sources:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=green+loctite+609&aq=1&oq=green+loct&aqi=g4
Charlie
lenleg@aol.com wrote:
> Tell me about the Green Loctite ... automotive stores? I have a small
> leak I would like to fix.
>
> Len
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linn <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12 pm
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
>
> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
>
> First off, you don't need much vacuum, if at all. The green Loctite
> will wick into the hole on it's own.
>
> Second ..... well, if there's a good amount of airflow ..... don't
> seal up the hose in the filler neck at all ..... there will not be
> sufficient air/fuel ratio to ignite ..... which is where I think the
> 'blowing us up' comes from. But, if you're not comfortable doing the
> vacuum cleaner thingy ..... just don't. Safety should be your first
> consideration. I think collapsing the tank would be more concern than
> blowing it up!
>
> You could probably suck a little vacuum on the tank by attaching one
> of the vacuum brake bleeders to the tank vent line.
>
> Linn
>
> david cook wrote:
> > Hi All
> > I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the
> green > Loctite. My question is how to create the vacuum with out
> blowing us up. > Any Magiver solutions out there. I'm a little
> concerned with using the > vacuum cleaner. Its on a 9A and don't
> relish removing the tank.
> > Thanks
> > > David R. Cook
> > N815DC RV-6
> > Flying
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Leaking Tank How To |
Hello=2C
DO NOT use an electric vacuum cleaner. Use a modified nozzle and compressed
air to generate a safe vacuum. BUT!
I repaired my tanks without generating a vacuum at all...
First=2C you can bypass removing the tanks only if you are absolutely sure
=2C as in can see=2C that there are no leaks on the rear baffle. I removed
mine but found none.
Having said that=2C the leak(s) you are encountering are most likely around
a rivet attaching the rear baffle=2C either along the top or along the bot
tom of the tank.
I had three on top of one tank=2C and one on the bottom of the other. All w
ere repaired using Loctite Thread Blocker Green. To be precise my leaks too
k over night to become visible and were around rivets attaching the rear ta
nk baffle. The largest blue stain ring was about 1" diameter . Both tanks h
ad passed the air/bubble test during construction. (Note to current builder
s: use fuel to test your tanks).
The leaks on top are relatively easy. Raise the airplane and/or remove or p
referably fly off enough fuel so that gas isn't pushing out. Now place a dr
op of Threadblocker Green (TG) on the rivet. Wearing a plastic glove simply
press down on the bubble. Repeat this process several times. Finish up by
putting a drop(s) on the leaking rivet and letting it sit overnight. TG onl
y solidifies in the abscence of oxygen so you can easily wipe off the resid
ue the next day.
If the leak(s) are on the bottom you must drain the tank to remove the pres
sure from the fuel pushing out and then use the procedure above.
The idea is that pressure (and capillary action) from outside is just as ef
fective=2C and much easier to apply=2C than vacuum from within.
I repaired my leaks several weeks ago and inspecting the tanks daily=2C the
leaks haven't returned.
The rear tank baffle is problematic for first time builders as the directio
ns say you need enough pro-seal to prevent leaks but not so much that you a
lter the shape.
I believe TG is the first step (going from simplest to painful)
recommended by Van's Aircraft (check archives). The next is proseal
outside=2C and then=2C brace yourself=2C removing the tanks=2C cutting acce
ss holes in the
baffle and then applying proseal from within.
May the Threadblocker Green be with you!
Regards=2C
Vince H.
RV-8 N8432 "Final Inspection June 6th!"
From: davercook1501@yahoo.com
Subject: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
Hi All
I want to help a friend with his leaking tank=2C I know about the green Loc
tite. My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us up. Any M
agiver solutions out there. I'm a little concerned with using the vacuum cl
eaner. Its on a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.
Thanks
David R. Cook N815DC RV-6 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Green Loctite per Charlie England |
At 02:59 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hi Len,
>
>Lots of sources:
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=green+loctite+609&aq=1&oq=green+loct&aqi=g4
>
>Charlie
Charlie,
When I Googled "green Loctite" I came up with Loctite 290 as well as
Loctite 609. Soooo...which is the one we are talking about using to
fix fuel tank leaks?
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking Tank How To |
lenleg@aol.com wrote:
> Tell me about the Green Loctite ... automotive stores?
Yup! If your favorite doesn't carry it .... look at other auto parts
places.
Linn
I have a small
> leak I would like to fix.
>
> Len
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linn <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:12 pm
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking Tank How To
>
> <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>>
>
> First off, you don't need much vacuum, if at all. The green Loctite will
> wick into the hole on it's own.
>
> Second ..... well, if there's a good amount of airflow ..... don't seal
> up the hose in the filler neck at all ..... there will not be sufficient
> air/fuel ratio to ignite ..... which is where I think the 'blowing us
> up' comes from. But, if you're not comfortable doing the vacuum cleaner
> thingy ..... just don't. Safety should be your first consideration. I
> think collapsing the tank would be more concern than blowing it up!
>
> You could probably suck a little vacuum on the tank by attaching one of
> the vacuum brake bleeders to the tank vent line.
>
> Linn
>
> david cook wrote:
> > Hi All
> > I want to help a friend with his leaking tank, I know about the green
> > Loctite. My question is how to create the vacuum with out blowing us
> up. > Any Magiver solutions out there. I'm a little concerned with using
> the > vacuum cleaner. Its on a 9A and don't relish removing the tank.
> > Thanks
> > > David R. Cook
> > N815DC RV-6
> > Flying
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Green Loctite per Charlie England |
Oops! I should know better than to do this stuff in a hurry. I suspect
my 1st link was in error.
Try googling 'loctite wicking grade'.
Here's the link to the 609 formula datasheet (wrong?):
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/609-EN.PDF
and the 290:
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/290-EN.PDF
294 is a hi temp version, but the data sheet says it's not recommended
for 'blind holes':
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/290-EN.PDF
Charlie
Louis Willig wrote:
>
> At 02:59 PM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Hi Len,
>>
>> Lots of sources:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=green+loctite+609&aq=1&oq=green+loct&aqi=g4
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>
> Charlie,
> When I Googled "green Loctite" I came up with Loctite 290 as well as
> Loctite 609. Soooo...which is the one we are talking about using to
> fix fuel tank leaks?
>
>
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Jack's Final Flight |
My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed away.
He has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't
added his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the
old timers will remember his emails.
For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me right
after I got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon
Rocket II, and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16,000 rivets (plus or
minus a few). During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had
to have his vocal cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against
his neck.
We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out
why he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short note,
you know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I will copy
them to a letter I will give the family.
The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After
the service, we will take him for his last plane ride.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
*************************************************************************
*****
Everybody,
Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and
had a nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a
long talk about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his
current normal.
This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
arrived, he was with three football coaches from the school where he was
"The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and
his breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear
us. The coaches prayed with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with
a Raven cheer.
I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all
over. He was surround by family and friends.
A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on
the front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane
from Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded
with a sonic boom.
As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them to you.
Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
Tom,
Proud to say he was my friend.
Message 17
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Tom,
Count me as one who remembers KABONG from the list. It's great the way
shared interests and modern technology expose us to wonderful people we
would otherwise have never known. Thank you for being his friend, and for
letting us know that he left. I'm sure he would have appreciated that.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Jack's Final Flight
My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed away. He
has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't added
his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the old
timers will remember his emails.
For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me right after I
got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon Rocket II,
and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16,000 rivets (plus or minus a few).
During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had to have his vocal
cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against his neck.
We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out why
he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short note, you
know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I will copy them to a
letter I will give the family.
The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After the
service, we will take him for his last plane ride.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
****************************************************************************
**
Everybody,
Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and had a
nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a long talk
about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his current normal.
This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
arrived, he was with three football coaches from the school where he was
"The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and his
breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear us. The
coaches prayed with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with a Raven
cheer.
I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all over.
He was surround by family and friends.
A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on the
front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane from
Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded with a
sonic boom.
As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them to you.
Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
Tom,
Proud to say he was my friend.
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Hi Tom,
I am truly sorry to hear about KABONG. I always got a big kick out of his posts
& have wondered what became of him in the last few years. Please send may deepest
condolences to his family. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Hal Benjamin
Long Island, New York
RV-4
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Gummo
Subject: RV-List: Jack's Final Flight
> My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed
> away. He has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave
> up. He hasn't added his witty comments to the lists for the
> last several years but the old timers will remember his emails.
>
> For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me
> right after I got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned
> into a Harmon Rocket II, and Jack held the bucking bar for all
> 16,000 rivets (plus or minus a few). During the five years of
> building Jack got cancer and had to have his vocal cords removed
> and talked with a buzzer held against his neck.
>
> We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't
> find out why he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
>
> Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
>
> For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short
> note, you know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I
> will copy them to a letter I will give the family.
>
> The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV
> guys/gals are attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start
> the service. After the service, we will take him for his last
> plane ride.
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
> Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> ******************************************************************************
> Everybody,
>
> Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
>
> Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the
> Starn's and had a nice evening with them. Jack was up walking
> around and we had a long talk about the Chino Air Show. He
> looked a lot better than his current normal.
>
> This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away.
> When I arrived, he was with three football coaches from the
> school where he was "The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to
> talk or raise his head and his breathing was labored. The
> hospice nurse said that he could hear us. The coaches prayed
> with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with a Raven cheer.
>
> I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my
> trip to visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and
> said it was all over. He was surround by family and friends.
>
> A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we
> gathered on the front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him
> into the truck.
> The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a
> plane from Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So
> Jack was loaded with a sonic boom.
>
> As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them
> to you.
>
> Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
>
> Tom,
> Proud to say he was my friend.
>
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