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Thu 06/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 06:29 AM - Re: XM Weather Delays (Bret Smith)
     2. 09:15 AM - removing nose gear wheel. (thomas sargent)
     3. 09:54 AM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Bret Smith)
     4. 10:19 AM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Larry Bowen)
     5. 11:00 AM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Garry)
     6. 02:47 PM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Jim)
     7. 03:04 PM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Karl Ahamer)
     8. 03:29 PM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (John Morgensen)
     9. 05:39 PM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Denis Walsh)
    10. 06:26 PM - RV-8 F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners - When To Rivet... (Matt Dralle)
    11. 07:06 PM - Re: removing nose gear wheel. (Richard Seiders)
    12. 07:28 PM - Re: RV-8 F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners - When To Rivet... (Kevin Horton)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:29:13 AM PST US
    From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: XM Weather Delays
    Bill, This makes sense but is irrelevant to me as I have an indicator in my lower right corner of the screen that "flashes" one of four XM states: XM Diagnostics The XM status message and logo will indicated the current XM receiver status using the following messages: Screen has found the receiver and is connecting to it. Screen is receiving the XM data for the first time since turning on. The XM/WX letters will flash from green to white as data is being received. The receiver has lost communications and is resetting the unit. The WxWorx receiver does not distinguish between the different data types it is downloading.... Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schlatterer To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: XM Weather Delays Not sure if correct but this seems right! Couldn't find it back on the AOPA site but found this from a report on the older Garmin units. "There is a wide variety of weather info sent to the unit other than just the NEXRAD radar images, and they all update at different time intervals. The NEXRAD data is updated on a 5 minute cycle and storm cells are updated every 1.25 minutes. On the other end of the spectrum, the Satellite Mosaic updates every 15 minutes and the Marine Warnings update every 20 minutes. " Bill S ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:34 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: XM Weather Delays Sure but remember that facts are only good on the day they are tested and printed. Next day,.... different system, different software, different facts ;-) Truth is that whatever weather you are getting is invaluable compared to anything short of real radar and a stormscope! Bill S ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:47 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: XM Weather Delays Thanks Bill, You would think that XM would communicate these facts in their own documentation so we would not have to rely on AOPA for the REAL facts. Bret ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schlatterer To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: XM Weather Delays Bret, according to the AOPA course on Weather Nexrad, some units won't refresh for considerable periods if there is no activity close by. Normal refresh should be less than 6 minutes and less than 2 if there are cells nearby. ( just what it says ) My Garmin 396 is never more than 6 minutes old when there is any weather nearby and usually less. Bill S 7a finishing ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:23 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: XM Weather Delays Garry, I would verify that your XM antenna has a clear view to the sky and that there are no problems with the wiring and connections. I have the same setup except using an AFS EFIS/EM and I get refreshes every 5 minutes. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, Ga www.FlightInnovations.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:34 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: XM Weather Delays I have an XM "aviator lite" weather subscription, received by a WX WORX receiver and interfaced to my Grand Rapids EFIS. It routinely takes 12 minutes or so after I've fired up the avionics before I get a radar picture. Then when flying on a long cross country I sometimes see messages saying "radar data 21 minutes old". I thought XM sent out refreshed packages no more than 5 minutes apart. My friend has a Garmin 496 and he says he acquires a radar picture within 2 minutes and never sees anything older than 5 minutes. What gives with my system? In reading the latest issue of Kitplane magazine they say that Garmin has their own "built in" receiver, whereas I have a separate stand-alone box. Could there be something inferior or malfunctioning with my WX WORX receiver? Has anyone had a similar experience? 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    Time: 09:15:37 AM PST US
    Subject: removing nose gear wheel.
    From: thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com>
    How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly


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    Time: 09:54:41 AM PST US
    From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    I have someone push down on the rear fuse while I put 3-4 2x4's under the nosegear nut. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RV-List: removing nose gear wheel. How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly


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    Time: 10:19:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    From: Larry Bowen <larry@bowenaero.com>
    Some have used sandbags on the root end of the HS to make the nose very light. IE, lift it with one hand. Why is it necessary to remove the "lifting eye" from the engine? It will be used again someday. I've never heard of it being taken just because your ready to fly.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Sent from Welcome, NC, United States On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Bret Smith <smithhb@tds.net> wrote: > I have someone push down on the rear fuse while I put 3-4 2x4's under the > nosegear nut. > > Bret Smith > RV-9A N16BL > Blue Ridge, GA > www.FlightInnovations.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:13 PM > *Subject:* RV-List: removing nose gear wheel. > > How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and > fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but > I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the > engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of > the nose gear? Is there a better way ? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 11:00:48 AM PST US
    From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    I drilled a hole in the concrete floor of my hanger and installed a heavy duty eye bolt............directly underneath the tail tie down ring. Then I bought a cheap ratcheting strap with two hooks on each end and I simply ratchet the tail down until the nose gear is off the ground. Works great for nose wheel and fairing maintenance. Garry Stout flying RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RV-List: removing nose gear wheel. How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly


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    Time: 02:47:49 PM PST US
    From: "Jim" <jjewell@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    Tom, I use a low profile automotive hydraulic floor jack. A 3/8" thick piece of plywood is used to protect the threads on the end of the nose gear strut. A temporary protective plug made out of tough plastic could be made if the use of a lathe is available. Jacking this way has become a bit easier to do with the advent of the new added nose wheel leg ground clearance height. The hydraulic jack allows for very fine axle/fork height adjustment so that the axle bolt can be slipped in or out of place with the wheel just resting on the ground. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: thomas sargent To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: RV-List: removing nose gear wheel. How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (5.0.1.1 - 10.100.140). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (5.0.1.1 - 10.100.140). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/


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    Time: 03:04:40 PM PST US
    From: "Karl Ahamer" <kahamer@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: removing nose gear wheel.
    Put a sling onto the engine mount and lift it there. Karl 7A _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent Sent: Friday, 5 June 2009 2:13 AM Subject: RV-List: removing nose gear wheel. How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly 18:00:00


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    Time: 03:29:11 PM PST US
    From: John Morgensen <john@morgensen.com>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    I use a Harbor Freight motorcycle lift to raise all 3 wheels at onece: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cpM5MJHMDgu9ZoQwA1yAOw?feat=directlink John Morgensen AA1B - flying RV9A - wiring


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    Time: 05:39:23 PM PST US
    From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    I use a couple sandbags on the horizontal stab. Good rule of thumb. Don't never use the engine lifting eye for anything other than lifting the engine! Even then be sure it is "free". If you tear out a chunk of the engine case it will ruin your whole day. I have also used someone pushing down on the tail while I shove some blocks under the nose strut. It is my personal opinion that the belly skin is not a good choice for hoisting the plane. Maybe ok with a Grumman Iron Works plane, but not an RV-6A. If you want to try that one, I would run it by the structures guys at Van's . On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:13 , thomas sargent wrote: > How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel > and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine > hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting > eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors > jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly > >


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    Time: 06:26:07 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: RV-8 F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners - When To Rivet...
    RV-8 Builders: In Section 8 of the builders manual (Page 8-50 for the 4/26/07 rev), Drawing 77, it appears that they are having you hold off riveting the floor stiffeners along the sides of the stick mount until *after* the floor skins are installed rather than before they are installed. Is this because there's no way you can get the floor skins into the right position once these stiffeners are riveted on? I'm referring to F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners. That's kind of a bummer to have to try to rivet those after the skin is installed for obvious reasons, but begs a bigger question; what about down the road when you might have to remove the floor skins for some reason. Do you have to drill those stiffener rivets out too? Ugg... Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV Second Try On The Wheel Pants...


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    Time: 07:06:43 PM PST US
    From: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: removing nose gear wheel.
    Get someone to push down the tail and place a sawhorse under the fuse just behind the xhaust stacks. At 12:13 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >How do people normally prop up the plane to remove the nose wheel >and fairing (6A/7A)? During construction I've been using the engine >hoist, but I'm in final assembly now and have to remove the lifting >eye from the engine. Is it OK (or even possible) to put a scissors >jack under the end of the nose gear? Is there a better way ? > >-- >Tom Sargent, RV-6A final assembly > >


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    Time: 07:28:44 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-8 F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners - When To Rivet...
    On 4 Jun 2009, at 21:24, Matt Dralle wrote: > > In Section 8 of the builders manual (Page 8-50 for the 4/26/07 rev), > Drawing 77, it appears that they are having you hold off riveting > the floor stiffeners along the sides of the stick mount until > *after* the floor skins are installed rather than before they are > installed. Is this because there's no way you can get the floor > skins into the right position once these stiffeners are riveted on? > I'm referring to F-830C-1 Floor Stiffeners. > > That's kind of a bummer to have to try to rivet those after the skin > is installed for obvious reasons, but begs a bigger question; what > about down the road when you might have to remove the floor skins > for some reason. Do you have to drill those stiffener rivets out > too? Ugg... Short version - Try inserting the floors with the stiffeners clecoed in place, and the issues will immediately be apparent. Long version - My kit is a lot older than yours, but I think the issues are similar. You need to push the floors outboard as you slip them in place, to slide the outer edges of the floors between the angles that support them, and the flanges on the 805 and 806 ribs on the fuselage sides. But, with the stiffeners in place, the ends of the stiffeners straddle the floor ribs, which prevents you from sliding the floors sideways. I wanted my floors to be removable, so I trimmed the corners off the stiffeners, and the same on the bottoms of the flanges on the 805 and 806 ribs on the fuselage sides. I still have to utter a few choice words to wiggle them in and out of place, but it is doable. -- Kevin Horton (Grounded) RV-8 (Flight Test Phase) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8




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