---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/15/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:42 AM - Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc.) 2. 07:54 AM - Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Wade Roe) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (David Maib) 4. 08:12 AM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Doug Weiler) 6. 08:53 AM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Ron Lee) 7. 09:16 AM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Dave Saylor) 8. 09:27 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/13/09 (Bill Christie) 9. 03:44 PM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Greg Young) 10. 03:49 PM - Re: RV-4 FOR SALE, Seattle Area: Anyone interested in a partnership? (dan@rdan.com) 11. 04:40 PM - Need some RV tire/tube advice (McFarland, Randy) 12. 05:55 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (linn) 13. 06:36 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (Jerry Springer) 14. 07:11 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (David Cudney) 15. 07:29 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (J. Mcculley) 16. 08:10 PM - Re: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision (Bill Schlatterer) 17. 08:29 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (Vanremog@aol.com) 18. 08:34 PM - Re: Need some RV tire/tube advice (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:01 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc." Subject: Re: RV-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn Garey, I think you should give Van's a call, they will give you the best recommendation. Make sure you have the right amount of travel on the elevator up and down. Die grinding seems like a good way to solve the problem, however, something doesn't seem right here, please call Van's. Good luck. Jim RV9a Building ----- Original Message ----- From: Garey Wittich To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn REF: Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control Horns, about which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge Bearing fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), these holes are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the perpendicular part of the Horn. The weld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL the way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut HEAD will come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened. After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. 2) Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a reduced size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the one supplied by Vans. 3) Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld fillet so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. (Will need a longer Bolt than supplied by Vans.) 4) Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and "contour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads have a flat surface to tighten against. Again a longer Bolt will be required. <----- Seems the BEST approach to me. Any subtle issues involved ??? How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Appreciate your comments !!! Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:20 AM PST US From: "Wade Roe" Subject: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. Thanks! Wade Roe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:26 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I made the decision to go with the 430W as opposed to the 530W because I had the ability to get WX and traffic on my EFIS displays. So, I did not see much need for the larger 530 screen. David Maib On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Wade Roe wrote: I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. Thanks! Wade Roe - The RV-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:26 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I am replacing a GX60 and went with the closest functional device - the 420W. I already have a MX20 display in my panel so I didn't need the 520's 'bigger' screen. My .02.... Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Wade Roe >Sent: Jun 15, 2009 10:51 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision > >I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between >the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply >because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I >cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the >radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as >the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, >less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). > >Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have >no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. > >Thanks! > >Wade Roe > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:41 AM PST US From: Doug Weiler Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I have flown both of these units extensively and yes they are virtually identical in function (the 530 does have one nav page that is different which I like). Obviously the 530's screen size is nice (bigger is better, especially for old eyeballs). I am building a new RV-7 and have already bought a 430W that will be the primary nav source. I will be using the AFS-3500 for a nice big map display. Doug Weiler RV-4, sold RV-7, maybe half complete. Wade Roe wrote: > > I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding > between the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the > 530 simply because of the screen size, resolution and color. With > this in mind, I cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate > the 530 in the radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made > the right call as the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a > smaller package, less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen > though). > > > > Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I > have no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Wade Roe > > > > > > > > > > * * > * * > ** > * - The RV-List Email Forum -* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > ** > ** > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > ** > ** > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > * Thank you for your generous support!* > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:09 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I use my 430W for VFR nav as well as instrument training. It has served me well. It really is a judgement/preference call and a matter if you have other glass screens, what you want to do with it, etc. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Wade Roe To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. Thanks! Wade Roe - The RV-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision From: Dave Saylor I have a 530W and a 496. They compliment each other pretty well, but if I were doing it again today, I'd probably use a 430W and a 696. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Wade Roe wrote: > I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between > the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply > because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I > cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the radio > stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as the 430 > seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, less weight, > and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). > > > Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have > no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. > > > Thanks! > > > Wade Roe > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > * - The RV-List Email Forum -* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > > ** > > ** > > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > > * Thank you for your generous support!* > > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:35 AM PST US From: "Bill Christie" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/13/09 Tom, I am finishing up my 8A and had the same problem. I used WD40 , worked them until they were free and carefully wiped all the excess off. Bill Christie -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/13/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-06-13&Archive=RV Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2009-06-13&Archive=RV =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/13/09: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:07 PM - lubricating rod end bearings (thomas sargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:39 PM PST US From: thomas sargent Subject: RV-List: lubricating rod end bearings What sort of lubricant should be used on the rod end bearings and the similar bearings used on the ailerons and elevator? I'm doing final assembly on a 6A and most of them needed lube pretty bad - they've been sitting for several years in the garage. Light oil works well, but I suspect it will collect dust. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:15 PM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision Ralph, Any installation issues of note with that approach? I've got GX-60's in 2 planes and might have to go that route. I actually hadn't considered the 420W but I assume it's somewhat cheaper without the Nav and saves an extra antenna. I've also got an SL-30 in both planes so don't really need a 2nd Nav. Do you recall the height difference? Any wiring gotchas? Regards, Greg Young > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Ralph E. Capen > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:07 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision > > > > I am replacing a GX60 and went with the closest functional > device - the 420W. I already have a MX20 display in my panel > so I didn't need the 520's 'bigger' screen. > > My .02.... > > Ralph > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:49 PM PST US From: dan@rdan.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-4 FOR SALE, Seattle Area: Anyone interested in a partnership? I may have some interest if it is in the PAE, AWO area, Dan Hatch --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Henry wrote: From: Henry Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-4 FOR SALE, Seattle Area: Anyone interested in a p artnership? Would there be any interest in a two or three way partnership in this plane with other Seattle area pilots? Henry Hochberg Don Diehl wrote: > > 1986. O-320E2D, 150 hp, 766 SMOH and TTAF > 430 TT on all new wiring and plumbing. > Ted Hendrickson prop, Landoll balancer. > Dynon D10A w/ AOA & remote compass. > David Clark headsets w/ Headsets Inc ANR. > Whelan 3in 1 strobe/position/rear wingtip lights. > Medical problems force sale. > $38,000 cash, no trades. > < diehldon@comcast.net > for details and more photos. > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:23 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice From: "McFarland, Randy" Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air Hawks thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes have been otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life be? Same as tire or ??? Thx Randy 7A San Martin, Ca ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:59 PM PST US From: linn Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice Randy, I'm getting ready to change the tubes in my Pitts. They're 28 years old, and have been through 4 or 5 sets of tires. The recommendations (probably from those that sell tubes!) is to change tubes with tires. I don't know anybody who does that. I've seen more tubes damaged from improper installation than old age. Linn McFarland, Randy wrote: > Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air Hawks > thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes have been > otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life be? Same as > tire or ??? > > Thx > Randy > 7A San Martin, Ca > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:55 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice Have you tried http://www.desser.com/tires.shtml they sometimes have good deals and combo prices. I have had excellent service from them. McFarland, Randy wrote: > Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air > Hawks thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes > have been otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life > be? Same as tire or ??? > > Thx > Randy > 7A San Martin, Ca > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:03 PM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice If you do decide to change tubes I recommend the michelin airstops -- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/michAviator2.php . They are s bit more expensive -- but worth it from the standpoint of not having to add air as often. I'm on my second se tof tires with them on my Cherokee and I put them on my RV 7A. Dave On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:30 PM, McFarland, Randy wrote: > Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air > Hawks thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes > have been otherwise good and reliable, what should their service > life be? Same as tire or ??? > > Thx > Randy > 7A San Martin, Ca > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:28 PM PST US From: "J. Mcculley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice I can highly recommend the Michelin Condors. I have well over 500 hours on a pair with 2/3 of the original tread depth yet to go and all on hard surface operation. Jim McCulley =========================================================================================== McFarland, Randy wrote: > Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air Hawks > thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes have been > otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life be? Same as > tire or ??? > > Thx > Randy > 7A San Martin, Ca ============================================================================================= ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:57 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision Wade, I fly a 530 over a 430 in our Baron and really like the larger screen, compass rose display, and having the ILS identifiers come up on the nav page. Having said all that, it's not worth the dollar difference to me. For our purposes I just put a 430 in my 7 with GRT EFIS and would recommend a 430W/696 combination over a single 530 by far. About the same bucks and a lot better graphics on the 696. Certainly want something WAAS enabled. Bill S 7a finishing. _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wade Roe Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: RV-List: Gamin GNS 430 vs. 530 decision I am planning my instrument panel and having difficulty deciding between the GNS 430 and the 530. Originally I was going to use the 530 simply because of the screen size, resolution and color. With this in mind, I cut the panel as well as the sub-panel to accommodate the 530 in the radio stack. I have recently been wondering if I made the right call as the 430 seems to have all of the same features in a smaller package, less weight, and $3000 less expensive (smaller screen though). Please give thoughts and/or comments to assist in this decision. I have no doubt that both of these radios are fabulous products. Thanks! Wade Roe - The RV-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:27 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice Try the Condor tires and, as long as you are now getting a tire that will last a lot longer than the Macs, upgrade to the Michelin Air Stop tubes. I think that you will be very happy with this combination. It's a good value all around. N1GV (RV-6A Flying 920TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) In a message dated 6/15/2009 4:41:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Randy.McFarland@novellus.com writes: Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air Hawks thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes have been otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life be? Same as tire or ??? **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:59 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Need some RV tire/tube advice Try the Condor tires and, as long as you are now getting a tire that will last a lot longer than the Macs, upgrade to the Michelin Air Stop tubes. I think that you will be very happy with this combination. It's a good value all around. N1GV (RV-6A Flying 920TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) In a message dated 6/15/2009 4:41:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Randy.McFarland@novellus.com writes: Changing tires on my 7A after 310 hours. Considering McCreary Air Hawks thru A/C Spruce. BUT, tubes appear to cost $52 each! If tubes have been otherwise good and reliable, what should their service life be? Same as tire or ??? **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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