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Thu 07/02/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 05:11 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (n8zg@mchsi.com)
     2. 05:19 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (Ralph E. Capen)
     3. 06:27 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (Ron Lee)
     4. 06:39 AM - Re: Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Roger Smart)
     5. 06:49 AM - Re: Trial Wing Mounting... (Dale Ensing)
     6. 06:54 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (David Maib)
     7. 06:57 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (John Morgensen)
     8. 08:18 AM - Re: Trial Wing Mounting... (Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc.)
     9. 09:23 AM - Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ??? (Garey Wittich)
    10. 09:28 AM - Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (George Inman 204 287 8334)
    11. 09:47 AM - Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... (Tailgummer@aol.com)
    12. 10:35 AM - Re: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ??? (Bruce Gray)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:11:40 AM PST US
    From: n8zg@mchsi.com
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...


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    Time: 05:19:14 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    Try these: http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/store.asp?subsubcat_id=497&category=Nutplate+Rivets&breadCrumb=Nutplate+Rivets%20->%20Blind+Rivets%20->%20Rivets&menuID=149~150~150~151~151&id=152 You may have to reassemble the link..... Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Joe & Jan Connell <jconnell@fmwildblue.com> >Sent: Jul 1, 2009 11:09 PM >To: RV-List <rv-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RV-List: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes... > >Guys, > >I'm trying to install several nut plates in a confined area. MK-319BS rivets are too wide to fit through through the attachment holes in the nut plates despite what I read in the A/C Spruce catalog. > >I have several small pop rivets from my Kitfox project about 16 years ago and they will work. For the life of me I can't find any more like them. Any suggestions and websites? > >Joe Connell >Stewartville, MN >RV-9A N95JJ >


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    Time: 06:27:54 AM PST US
    From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    tinyurl.com is a great help with links like this. You can even create a toolbar "link" to make it easy to get the tinyurl. Ron Lee > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/store.asp?subsubcat_id=497&category=Nutplate+Rivets&breadCrumb=Nutplate+Rivets%20->%20Blind+Rivets%20->%20Rivets&menuID=149~150~150~151~151&id=152 >


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    Time: 06:39:38 AM PST US
    From: Roger Smart <roger@smartdrive.com>
    Subject: Re: Official RV-List Usage Guidelines
    this list is more active than the one you use Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete > RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the > following URL: > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html > > Thank you, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > > > ****************************************************************************** > RV-List Usage Guidelines > ****************************************************************************** > > The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. > You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. > Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result > in the removal of the subscribers from the List. > > > RV-List Policy Statement > > The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for > things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals > are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver > high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie > among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals > requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of > the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: > > > - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit > posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long > lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. > > - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be > relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. > > - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive > that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and > terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and > responses. > > - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, > aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line > about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid > bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary > space in the archive. > > - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is > easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the > web page or FAQ first. > > - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of > your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it > easy to find threads in the archive. > > - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your > response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the > reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that > quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive > can not be overstated! > > - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT > then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the > "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your > response to the original poster. You might have to actively address > your response with the original poster's email address. > > - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something > to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I > agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent > to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. > > - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to > comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly > contribute something valuable. > > - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone > polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack > other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously > controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that > will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. > > - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly > subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by > List members promoting their respective products or items for sale > should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble > a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but > is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to > everyone, including those who provide products to the entire > community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the > operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. > > ------- > > > [This is an automated posting.] > > do not archive > > > > >


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    Time: 06:49:51 AM PST US
    From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Trial Wing Mounting...
    For fitting the wings on my 6A, I cut the heads off from the hardware store bolts and put a slight taper/chamfer on the cut end. The cut end went into the hole leaving the threaded end available for with drawing the bolts using a nut and washers. Worked well. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Trial Wing Mounting... > > It's not a problem. "Normal" bolts are a tad bit undersized by design. > As another poster suggested, grind off the threads and put a nice chamfer > on the end of it and don't be afraid of lubrication. You won't have any > problems. > > Phil > > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >> Dear Listers, >> How hard is this going to be? Will I ever be able to get the bolts back >> out again after I get them in? >> >> I've heard of people using hardware store bolts for trial fitting. Is >> this a good idea? >> Thanks for any insight you can lend. >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV >> Finishing Up Right Wing Tip, Left Tip Done


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    Time: 06:54:25 AM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    GAHCO carries nutplate rivets, I am pretty sure. Bon Aero at www.bonaero.com also carries them. Can't remember the numbers, but they are CCS-32 or something like that. David Maib 40559 On Jul 1, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Joe & Jan Connell wrote: Guys, I'm trying to install several nut plates in a confined area. MK-319BS rivets are too wide to fit through through the attachment holes in the nut plates despite what I read in the A/C Spruce catalog. I have several small pop rivets from my Kitfox project about 16 years ago and they will work. For the life of me I can't find any more like them. Any suggestions and websites? Joe Connell Stewartville, MN RV-9A N95JJ


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    Time: 06:57:07 AM PST US
    From: John Morgensen <john@morgensen.com>
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    The anti-virus software that I am using, ZoneAlarm, objects to the tinyurl links because there is no way of knowing where the click will take you. Aren't viruses fun? john Ron Lee wrote: > > tinyurl.com is a great help with links like this. > > You can even create a toolbar "link" to make it easy to get the tinyurl. > > Ron Lee > > >> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/store.asp?subsubcat_id=497&category=Nutplate+Rivets&breadCrumb=Nutplate+Rivets%20->%20Blind+Rivets%20->%20Rivets&menuID=149~150~150~151~151&id=152 >> >> >


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    Time: 08:18:42 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc." <jfogarty@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Trial Wing Mounting...
    Matt, This is how I mounted the wings on my RV9a, but this is just the basics. Go with the hardware store bolts, install two in the top and bottom on each wing, one of your helps moving the wing on the outside edge will make it fairly easy to slide the bolts into place. It will take a little coaxing. I think it's important to have 3 helpers for the project. There is a ton of information on the list and internet regarding mounting wings. You will need two of your bolts ground down on the end to use as starter pins. Good luck. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> <rv7-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: RV-List: Trial Wing Mounting... > > Dear Listers, > > I'm planning on trial mounting the wings on the RV-8 this weekend. I want > to get the flaps and ailerons rigged as well as get the rear spar drilled. > Once that's done, however, I want to take the wings back off for storage. > > How hard is this going to be? Will I ever be able to get the bolts back > out again after I get them in? > > I've heard of people using hardware store bolts for trial fitting. Is > this a good idea? > > What's the minimum number of bolts I should put in to assure the wings > will stay on unsupported and rigid enough to set the incidence? > > Realistically, how hard (and how much damage) will taking the bolts back > out be? > > Thanks for any insight you can lend. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > Finishing Up Right Wing Tip, Left Tip Done > > >


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    Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US
    From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ???
    Greetings:Working by myself, the RV-8A QB Project is going too "slooowly". -Local EAA Chapter here in Santa Monica, CA has no RV Builders or any at the airport. -Looking for some assistance by an experienced RV Builder or Builders Assistance Center here in Southern California to complete Project - where we can work together ( here or at their location) thus speeding th e Project along. -Want to work on the Project about 40 hours per week. -Willing to pay a reasonable fee for the help. I have completed the Emhen nage - now ready to start the Wings.- Any helpful suggestions ?? Thanks, - Garey Wittich -Santa Monica, CA - (310) 392-1682=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:28:20 AM PST US
    From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman@mts.net>
    Subject: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    Guys, I'm trying to install several nut plates in a confined area. MK-319BS rivets are too wide to fit through through the attachment holes in the nut plates despite what I read in the A/C Spruce catalog. I have several small pop rivets from my Kitfox project about 16 years ago and they will work. For the life of me I can't find any more like them. Any suggestions and websites? Joe Connell Stewartville, MN RV-9A N95JJ Wicks has nuplates for this purpose CCR264SS-3-5 $0.36 http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=4459~subid'46/index.html -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net


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    Time: 09:47:47 AM PST US
    From: Tailgummer@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Need pop rivets to fit in #40 holes...
    Simple ... just drill out the nutplate mounting holes. 7/64 if memory serves me. John D


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    Time: 10:35:25 AM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ???
    Dave Saylor http://www.aircraftersllc.com/ Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Any Recommendations for Builders Assistance ??? Greetings: Working by myself, the RV-8A QB Project is going too "slooowly". Local EAA Chapter here in Santa Monica, CA has no RV Builders or any at the airport. Looking for some assistance by an experienced RV Builder or Builders Assistance Center here in Southern California to complete Project - where we can work together ( here or at their location) thus speeding the Project along. Want to work on the Project about 40 hours per week. Willing to pay a reasonable fee for the help. I have completed the Emhennage - now ready to start the Wings. Any helpful suggestions ?? Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682




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