RV-List Digest Archive

Sat 07/11/09


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 05:55 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/10/09 (Ian)
     2. 06:34 AM - Re: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Ed Anderson)
     3. 11:01 AM - Pirep - Fairings-Etc Gear Intersection Fairings... (Matt Dralle)
     4. 05:15 PM - Source for alternator parts and cross reference (Vincent Himsl)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:55:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/10/09
    From: Ian <ixb@videotron.ca>
    Matt, I had exactly the same problem on my RV-9A. In the end, I resolved it by making the holes ever so slightly oval and retightening them, while maintaining upward pressure on the tip. Not sure of the origin of the problem but it could be that their molds are off. Ian Brown On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 23:58 -0700, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-07-10&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-07-10&Archive=RV > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 07/10/09: 5 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:29 PM - Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Matt Dralle) > 2. 05:23 PM - Re: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Frank Stringham) > 3. 05:51 PM - Re: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Michael W Stewart) > 4. 05:54 PM - Re: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Darrell Reiley) > 5. 07:24 PM - Re: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... (Charlie England) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:29:23 PM PST US > From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> > Subject: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > Dear Listers, > > I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they came out perfect. I was > really pleased and relieved. They each took about 8 hours including cutting > the plastic lens. > > That's the good news. The bad news is that the right tip at the trailing edge > came out about 1/2" low. The left one is exactly the correct height. I measured > this by making the short aileron push rod the exact length stated on the plans > (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using that W-730 jig to center the bellcrank > and I assume the aileron. > > Installation of the left wing tip, which I did first, went really smoothly and > I had little trouble fitting or aligning. The right one, however, really fought > me and in my zest to make sure that the lap joint between the metal skin and > the fiberglass was perfect, I kind of neglected to triple check the height of > the trailing edge of the tip as it related to the aileron. I focused more on > the alignment of length of the two and that they were correct. > > Anyway, I was rigging the ailerons this week and connecting to the control stick > and that's when I noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1/2" lower than > the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and fusing around a bit, but this > didn't help, and then I tried slitting the trailing edge of the tip. This > allowed me to align the tip to the aileron at the inboard side of the tip, but > it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge of the tip (without a whole bunch > of extra fiberglass work). > > I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just starting over again, but I was > wondering if anyone else had this same trouble, i.e. left tip fit great, right > tip didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edge. I'm wondering > if its just a problem with the fiberglass layup. > > Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip mounting are dimpled (I > used #6 screws), fitting a new tip is going to be a real tough job because I won't > be able to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh, and redoing the right wing tip)... > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:23:04 PM PST US > From: Frank Stringham <fstringham@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > Hi Matt > > > First=2C let me say your workmenship looks first rate. Secondly=2C I think > you have run into a typical problem that most have faced at this point in t > he wing/tip build. Third=2C I think that the extra fiberglass work will do > the trick. Those who don't like the FG stuff will probably consider a new t > ip...but ... this doesn't eliminate the potential of the new tip ending up > in the sme position or worse.... > > > Good luck in whatever choice you choose and please update us as to the solu > tion. > > > Frank @ 1L8 ...RV7A... 1st flight nect week........... > > > Date: Fri=2C 10 Jul 2009 14:26:47 -0700 > > To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics > .com > > From: dralle@matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > > > > Dear Listers=2C > > > > I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they came out perfect. > I was really pleased and relieved. They each took about 8 hours including c > utting the plastic lens. > > > > That's the good news. The bad news is that the right tip at the trailing > edge came out about 1/2" low. The left one is exactly the correct height. I > measured this by making the short aileron push rod the exact length stated > on the plans (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using that W-730 jig to cen > ter the bellcrank and I assume the aileron. > > > > Installation of the left wing tip=2C which I did first=2C went really smo > othly and I had little trouble fitting or aligning. The right one=2C howeve > r=2C really fought me and in my zest to make sure that the lap joint betwee > n the metal skin and the fiberglass was perfect=2C I kind of neglected to t > riple check the height of the trailing edge of the tip as it related to the > aileron. I focused more on the alignment of length of the two and that the > y were correct. > > > > Anyway=2C I was rigging the ailerons this week and connecting to the cont > rol stick and that's when I noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1 > /2" lower than the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and fusing around > a bit=2C but this didn't help=2C and then I tried slitting the trailing edg > e of the tip. This allowed me to align the tip to the aileron at the inboar > d side of the tip=2C but it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge of t > he tip (without a whole bunch of extra fiberglass work). > > > > I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just starting over again=2C > but I was wondering if anyone else had this same trouble=2C i.e. left tip > fit great=2C right tip didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edg > e. I'm wondering if its just a problem with the fiberglass layup. > > > > Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip mounting are dimpl > ed (I used #6 screws)=2C fitting a new tip is going to be a real tough job > because I won't be able to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > > Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh=2C and redoing the right wing tip)... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto > rial_Storage_062009 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:51:16 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > From: Michael W Stewart <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com> > > > Matt, > Your problem is common. > Your easiest fix is to slit the trailing edge of the tip and reglass in > to > the correct position. > Slit, ductape to position, glass a couple places, remove ductape, glass > the > rest. > A new tip will not guarantee alignment, but the above technique will. > Best, > Mike, > > > > > From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> > > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com, rv7-list@m > atronics.com > > > Date: 07/10/2009 06:46 PM > > > > Subject: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > > Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they came out perfect > . I > was really pleased and relieved. They each took about 8 hours includin > g > cutting the plastic lens. > > That's the good news. The bad news is that the right tip at the traili > ng > edge came out about 1/2" low. The left one is exactly the correct heig > ht. > I measured this by making the short aileron push rod the exact length > stated on the plans (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using that W-730 > jig > to center the bellcrank and I assume the aileron. > > Installation of the left wing tip, which I did first, went really smoot > hly > and I had little trouble fitting or aligning. The right one, however, > really fought me and in my zest to make sure that the lap joint between > the > metal skin and the fiberglass was perfect, I kind of neglected to tripl > e > check the height of the trailing edge of the tip as it related to the > aileron. I focused more on the alignment of length of the two and that > > they were correct. > > Anyway, I was rigging the ailerons this week and connecting to the cont > rol > stick and that's when I noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1 > /2" > lower than the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and fusing around > a > bit, but this didn't help, and then I tried slitting the trailing edge > of > the tip. This allowed me to align the tip to the aileron at the inboar > d > side of the tip, but it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge of t > he > tip (without a whole bunch of extra fiberglass work). > > I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just starting over again, > but > I was wondering if anyone else had this same trouble, i.e. left tip fit > > great, right tip didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edge. > > I'm wondering if its just a problem with the fiberglass layup. > > Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip mounting are dim > pled > (I used #6 screws), fitting a new tip is going to be a real tough job > because I won't be able to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh, and redoing the right wing > tip)...[attachment "2009.07.02 - RV-8 - Right Wing Tip Installation A > (42).jpg" deleted by Michael W Stewart/Atlanta/IBM] [attachment "2009.0 > 6.28 > - RV-8 - Left Wing Tip Installation (39).jpg" deleted by Michael W > Stewart/Atlanta/IBM] [attachment "2009.07.02 - RV-8 - Right Wing Tip > Installation A (40).jpg" deleted by Michael W Stewart/Atlanta/IBM] > [attachment "2009.06.28 - RV-8 - Left Wing Tip Installation (42).jpg" > deleted by Michael W Stewart/Atlanta/IBM] > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:54:12 PM PST US > From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > > If you want your tips to work, re-glass and drill them up with the final rigging > in place. No big deal, you have alum strips as a back-up for the nutplates... > you'll be fine > > -d- > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Frank Stringham <fstringham@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Frank Stringham <fstringham@hotmail.com> > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 7:20 PM > > > > > > > > #yiv787994380 .hmmessage P > > { > > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > > #yiv787994380 { > > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > > > > > > > Hi Matt > > > > > > > > First, let me say your workmenship looks first rate. > > Secondly, I think you have run into a typical problem that > > most have faced at this point in the wing/tip build. Third, > > I think that the extra fiberglass work will do the > > trick.Those who don't like the FG stuff will > > probably consider a new tip...but ... this doesn't > > eliminate the potential of the new tip ending up in the sme > > position or worse.... > > > > > > > > Good luck in whatever choice you choose and please update > > us as to the solution. > > > > > > > > Frank @ 1L8 ...RV7A... 1st flight nect week........... > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:26:47 -0700 > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com; > > rv7-list@matronics.com > > > From: dralle@matronics.com > > > Subject: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy > > Right... > > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > > > I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they > > came out perfect. I was really pleased and relieved. They > > each took about 8 hours including cutting the plastic lens. > > > > > > That's the good news. The bad news is that the > > right tip at the trailing edge came out about 1/2" low. > > The left one is exactly the correct height. I measured this > > by making the short aileron push rod the exact length stated > > on the plans (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using > > that W-730 jig to center the bellcrank and I assume the > > aileron. > > > > > > Installation of the left wing tip, which I did first, > > went really smoothly and I had little trouble fitting or > > aligning. The right one, however, really fought me and in my > > zest to make sure that the lap joint between the metal skin > > and the fiberglass was perfect, I kind of neglected to > > triple check the height of the trailing edge of the tip as > > it related to the aileron. I focused more on the alignment > > of length of the two and that they were correct. > > > > > > Anyway, I was rigging the ailerons this week and > > connecting to the control stick and that's when I > > noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1/2" > > lower than the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and > > fusing around a bit, but this didn't help, and then I > > tried slitting the trailing edge of the tip. This allowed me > > to align the tip to the aileron at the inboard side of the > > tip, but it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge > > of the tip (without a whole bunch of extra fiberglass > > work). > > > > > > I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just > > starting over again, but I was wondering if anyone else had > > this same trouble, i.e. left tip fit great, right tip > > didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edge. > > I'm wondering if its just a problem with the fiberglass > > layup. > > > > > > Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip > > mounting are dimpled (I used #6 screws), fitting a new tip > > is going to be a real tough job because I won't be able > > to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... > > > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > > > Matt Dralle > > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > > > Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh, and redoing the right > > wing tip)... > > > > Hotmail has ever-growing storage! Dont > > worry about storage limits. Check > > it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:24:54 PM PST US > From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... > > > Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > > > I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they came out perfect. I was > really pleased and relieved. They each took about 8 hours including cutting > the plastic lens. > > > > That's the good news. The bad news is that the right tip at the trailing edge > came out about 1/2" low. The left one is exactly the correct height. I measured > this by making the short aileron push rod the exact length stated on the > plans (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using that W-730 jig to center the bellcrank > and I assume the aileron. > > > > Installation of the left wing tip, which I did first, went really smoothly and > I had little trouble fitting or aligning. The right one, however, really fought > me and in my zest to make sure that the lap joint between the metal skin > and the fiberglass was perfect, I kind of neglected to triple check the height > of the trailing edge of the tip as it related to the aileron. I focused more > on the alignment of length of the two and that they were correct. > > > > Anyway, I was rigging the ailerons this week and connecting to the control stick > and that's when I noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1/2" lower > than the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and fusing around a bit, but > this didn't help, and then I tried slitting the trailing edge of the tip. This > allowed me to align the tip to the aileron at the inboard side of the tip, but > it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge of the tip (without a whole bunch > of extra fiberglass work). > > > > I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just starting over again, but I > was wondering if anyone else had this same trouble, i.e. left tip fit great, > right tip didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edge. I'm wondering > if its just a problem with the fiberglass layup. > > > > Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip mounting are dimpled (I > used #6 screws), fitting a new tip is going to be a real tough job because I > won't be able to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Matt Dralle > > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > > Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh, and redoing the right wing tip)... > > It's been a looong time since I fit the tips, but IIRC, I used the > technique of holding the aileron in alignment with the jig that uses the > tooling holes in the outboard rib & aileron rib. Basically 3 screws in a > stick. > > I too had good luck with the 1st tip & was badly misaligned with the 2nd > (overconfident). The tip was just rotated slightly in the end of the > wing, causing the trailing edge to be misaligned with the aileron. I was > able to just remove the clecos & re-fit the tip. Most of the holes moved > enough that redrilling wasn't a problem. > > For what it's worth, you can use flush rivet sets in your hand squeezer > to solve your dimple problem. Call Van's & ask, but they've told others > that you can 'undimple' without doing damage to the skin. > > Charlie > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:34:18 AM PST US
    From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right...
    Matt, I had a similar thing happen to my wing tip - right one also way back when. What I did was to slip (along the seam) the trailing edge of the tip back about a foot or so. I could then adjust the slit ends to match the alignment I wanted and then reglassed the seam. Still good after 10+ years Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: RV-List: Wing Tip Installation - Droopy Right... Dear Listers, I installed the wing tips on the -8 last week and they came out perfect. I was really pleased and relieved. They each took about 8 hours including cutting the plastic lens. That's the good news. The bad news is that the right tip at the trailing edge came out about 1/2" low. The left one is exactly the correct height. I measured this by making the short aileron push rod the exact length stated on the plans (27 5/8" I think it was) and then using that W-730 jig to center the bellcrank and I assume the aileron. Installation of the left wing tip, which I did first, went really smoothly and I had little trouble fitting or aligning. The right one, however, really fought me and in my zest to make sure that the lap joint between the metal skin and the fiberglass was perfect, I kind of neglected to triple check the height of the trailing edge of the tip as it related to the aileron. I focused more on the alignment of length of the two and that they were correct. Anyway, I was rigging the ailerons this week and connecting to the control stick and that's when I noticed that the right tip was drooping about 1/2" lower than the aileron. I tried removing the tip RIB and fusing around a bit, but this didn't help, and then I tried slitting the trailing edge of the tip. This allowed me to align the tip to the aileron at the inboard side of the tip, but it didn't allow me to raise the outboard edge of the tip (without a whole bunch of extra fiberglass work). I'm not opposed to getting a new wing tip and just starting over again, but I was wondering if anyone else had this same trouble, i.e. left tip fit great, right tip didn't fit very well and was low at the trailing edge. I'm wondering if its just a problem with the fiberglass layup. Now that all of the holes in the skin for the wing tip mounting are dimpled (I used #6 screws), fitting a new tip is going to be a real tough job because I won't be able to get the tip flat against the skin. Arg... Any feedback would be appreciated. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings (oh, and redoing the right wing tip)... __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.


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    Time: 11:01:41 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Pirep - Fairings-Etc Gear Intersection Fairings...
    Since I'm building a *metal* airplane and not a fiberglass airplane by personal choice, when it was time to start the gear intersection fairings I was shocked and amazed that I was expected to use modeling clay and a make my own mold-in-place gear intersection fairings. I could probably get one side to look okay, but I *knew* there'd be no way I could make the other side look just like the first side. Since I'm considered compulsive about my need for ying/yang and feng shui in my projects, I just knew this task was going to be a huge pain in the tail feathers. I turned to the Internet as I so often do when faced with overwhelming situations, and after a few pokes at the 'ol Google, I happened upon the Fairings-Etc web site ( http://www.fairings-etc.com/ ). Bob Snedaker of Fairings-Etc makes all sorts of fiberglass bits and pieces and after a some of surfing around his web site I found that he is now offering upper and lower main gear intersection fairings for the RV-8 with the Grove Airfoiled landing gear! The parts arrived yesterday and I pulled them out of the box and slipped them on the gear and was simply *amazed* at the beautiful fit! They will require a bit of finishing and final fitting, but nothing major. Their shape is very pleasing and really tie the Grove gear together with the fuselage and wheel pants. I've attached a few pictures of the fairings as the look right out of the box. The Upper set of fairings are $130 and the lower set are $140. In my opinion an excellent investment in my RV-8 project. Not only will they save me a ton of time, but they will look 100 times better than anything I could have ever come up with. Run - don't walk - over to Fairings-Etc and order yourself a set today! You won't be sorry! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV Wing-to-Fuselage Fairings... (Note that I have no affiliation with Fairings-Etc other than being a very satisfied customer.)


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    Time: 05:15:10 PM PST US
    From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl@live.com>
    Subject: Source for alternator parts and cross reference
    I did a post to the aeroelectric list a few weeks ago when I replaced the r egulator in my nippondenso alternater that came with my aerosport engine (4 0amp). The site for cross referencing the part numbers on your alternator is: http://www.wai-wetherill.com/products/crossref.cfm The site where I purchased my regulator parts is: http://www.holcombedirect.com/ If you wish to see my original post=2C search the aeroelectric list for: Match: #4Message: #44810From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl(at)live.com>Subject: C ross reference site for alternator partsDate: Apr 13=2C 2009 Regards=2C Vince_Himsl RV8 N8432 10 hours Subject: RV-List: Re:35 amp alternator parts From: larygagnon@aol.com Does anyone on the list know where I can get diode/rectifier parts for a 3 5 amp Nippendenso alternator (Vans #14184). This is the second time I've h ad to replace them=2C first time was a loose connection=2C not sure about t he second time and my local supplier can't seem to locate any. I've traced it to an application for a 1975 to 1979 /Honda Civic 1.5 L but no one seem s to have any parts. Any other automotive applications that might work. T hanks in advance guys. Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG 180 hours RV6A N3518Y ======== _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd_062009




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