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1. 12:10 PM - Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades (SteinAir, Inc.)
2. 04:50 PM - Std vs. Aerobatic Engine Vibration Mounts (Matt Dralle)
3. 05:42 PM - RV Smoke Systems (Matt Dralle)
4. 06:08 PM - Re: RV Smoke Systems (Bobby Hester)
5. 06:19 PM - Re: RV Smoke Systems (Carlos Hernandez)
6. 06:52 PM - Re: RV Smoke Systems (Linn Walters)
7. 07:29 PM - Re: RV Smoke Systems (RV6 Flyer)
8. 07:37 PM - Re: RV Smoke Systems (Charlie England)
9. 07:50 PM - Re: Std vs. Aerobatic Engine Vibration Mounts (Vanremog@aol.com)
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Subject: | Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades |
Hi All,
One last note to see if there are any of you floating around out there with
Non WAAS GNS-430's that have zero flight time on them.... A number of you
had responded to my last note about a month or so ago, but my customer still
wants more so I'm checking again. Here's the deal:
I need GNS-430's that are either new in the box, or installed but NEVER
flown (zero flight time). If you have one, we'll trade you a brand spankin
new GNS-430W for your efforts. It sounds to good to be true, but it's not.
One of my customers is a major military contractor who got themselves into a
pickle with a certain project and ended up short on the 430's. The have to
be Non WAAS because they are in Europe, and they need to match the rest of
the fleet.
If you have one, please contact me off list ASAP. I'm sorry but we can't
use "almost new" or "as good as new" or "only one flight" units, they have
to be new never used.
Thanks and have a great week,
Stein
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Subject: | Std vs. Aerobatic Engine Vibration Mounts |
Dear Listers,
I've got an IO-390 to mount on the RV-8. What are the pros and cons and opinions
regarding the use of the "Standard" vs. "Aerobatic" engine vibration mounts?
I have a set of both and can't decide which to use. Will there be more sag
with the Std version over time? Is the different in vibration noticeable? Does
having the larger engine make any difference in the selection? What other
gotchas are there between the two different types.
One other question. Do they have a shelf life? Does a set sitting in the box,
on a shelf for 15 years have any noticeable reduction in "performance"?
Thanks for your feedback!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
FWF Starting This Weekend!
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Subject: | RV Smoke Systems |
Dear Listers,
Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation at
OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
Is this what people are using?
Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain in
the ass to maintain?
Thanks for the thoughts,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
FWF Starts This Weekend!
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Subject: | Re: RV Smoke Systems |
Here is more info
http://www.smokingairplanes.com/
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Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009JanJulyFlying.htm
Matt Dralle wrote:
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>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation
at OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
>
> Is this what people are using?
>
> Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
>
> Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain
in the ass to maintain?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> FWF Starts This Weekend!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RV Smoke Systems |
Here' their website with a smaller choice (same makers) or you could
roll your own.
Carlos in Arizona
Matt Dralle wrote:
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>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation
at OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
>
> Is this what people are using?
>
> Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
>
> Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain
in the ass to maintain?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> FWF Starts This Weekend!
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Subject: | Re: RV Smoke Systems |
Matt, IMHO, that's a pretty robust smoke system. And a little pricey.
It also weighs 59 LBS when full.
I made my smoke tank for my Pitts when it didn't have a source of 12V.
I took the (15Lb???) freon bottle and took out the safety plug in the
bottom. Welded a 1" or 1 1/2" pipe adapter in the hole. This is where
my flop tube screws in. I ran the line from the flop tube over the top
of the tank to the front where I mounted a small pressure regulator and
the line going to the exhaust stacks. I removed the valve and welded
another pipe adapter in it's place. This is where I fill the tank with
1 gal of corvus oil .... AKA smoke oil. A pipe plug with a schrader
valve screwed in allows me to put 100+ pounds of air on it.
I was space challenged, so the little bottle was my choice, and it
mounts under the fuel tank between my legs. Not being terribly familiar
with the RV-8, if you have a baggage compartment that would hold a
larger bottle .... I'd put it there. A ball valve to turn on/off the
smoke is all you need.
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation
at OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
>
> Is this what people are using?
>
> Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
>
> Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain
in the ass to maintain?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> FWF Starts This Weekend!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | RV Smoke Systems |
Matt:
Most of us in the 37-ship flight have the Smoking Airplanes system. A coupl
e of the airplanes have "homebrew" system.
None of the passes had all the airplanes with smoke on. During practice=2C
it was determined that we had too much smoke. Typically we had no more th
an two airplanes in a row with smoke on.
BTW. The flight was 36-RVs with one F1 Rocket.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C281+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
> Matt Dralle wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Listers=2C
> >
> > Last week=2C someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in fo
rmation at OSH this year. Very cool=2C btw. But what caught my eye was ho
w many of them had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS w
hich looks interesting=2C but kind of big for an RV-8:
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
> >
> > Is this what people are using?
> >
> > Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area?
In the engine compartment?
> >
> > Seems really cool to have one of these systems=2C but are they just a b
ig pain in the ass to maintain?
> >
> > Thanks for the thoughts=2C
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> > FWF Starts This Weekend!
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Subject: | Re: RV Smoke Systems |
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Last week, someone posted a couple of pictures of 37 RVs flying in formation
at OSH this year. Very cool, btw. But what caught my eye was how many of them
had smoke systems installed. I found the following at ACS which looks interesting,
but kind of big for an RV-8:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/sa102-103.php
>
> Is this what people are using?
>
> Where would one mount this system in an RV-8? Behind the baggage area? In the
engine compartment?
>
> Seems really cool to have one of these systems, but are they just a big pain
in the ass to maintain?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> FWF Starts This Weekend!
This might be lower-tech or lower sophistication than you want, but...
http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/smoke.htm
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Std vs. Aerobatic Engine Vibration Mounts |
Matt-
One wearout mode besides compression set (sag) in these isolators is loss
of elastomeric properties over time due to outgassing of the natural
oils/emollients in the rubber compound. This increases the durometer of the
compound over time and increases their transmissibility. Aerobatic mounts are
naturally stiffer than standard isolators from the get-go. IMO you should
buy fresh standard isolators and immediately coat them in DC4, then you
should dynamically balance your engine/prop combination. They then should
last until engine TBO.
N1GV (RV-6A Flying 924TTAE Silicon Valley, CA)
In a message dated 8/5/2009 4:51:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dralle@matronics.com writes:
One other question. Do they have a shelf life? Does a set sitting in
the box, on a shelf for 15 years have any noticeable reduction in
"performance"?
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