---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/07/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:17 AM - BendixKing GPS - AV80R (L Klingmuller) 2. 06:32 AM - Re: BendixKing GPS - AV80R (JFLEISC@aol.com) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: BendixKing GPS - AV80R (MacDonald Doug) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Another one joins the fleet! (Charles Rowbotham) 5. 07:18 AM - Alternator output fuse (George Inman 204 287 8334) 6. 08:17 AM - Re: BendixKing GPS - AV80R (David Maib) 7. 08:25 AM - Wind noise from vents (Corey Crawford) 8. 08:44 AM - Re: Alternator output fuse (RICHARD MILLER) 9. 09:04 AM - Re: Wind noise from vents (Mike Divan) 10. 09:10 AM - Re: Wind noise from vents (sheldon barrett) 11. 09:24 AM - Re: Wind noise from vents (Matt Dralle) 12. 09:44 AM - Re: BendixKing GPS - AV80R (Mike Divan) 13. 12:15 PM - Re: BendixKing GPS - AV80R (Panama Red) 14. 01:44 PM - RV-4 For Sale (Don Diehl) 15. 06:13 PM - Cowl Ideas? (J Riffel) 16. 07:07 PM - Re: Cowl Ideas? (scott bilinski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:32 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R From: L Klingmuller The AV80R GPS apparently has been on the market for about one year. Now BendixKing came out, first (?) at Oshkosh this year, with a BIG screen model (AV80R ACE with all of the big $$ items. My questions: has anybody on the list used or has knowledge with the smaller (AV80R) model. I am somewhat concerned with the touch screen feature in turbulence. Apparently this is the only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen feature. SO, let=92s hear from YOUR input. Thanks, Lothar RV-6A, 853 hrs. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:16 AM PST US From: JFLEISC@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R In a message dated 8/7/2009 9:18:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, klingmuller@gmail.com writes: I am somewhat concerned with the touch screen feature in turbulence. Apparently this is the only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen feature I got one of those systems that used a PDA (with touch screen) for the moving map. I sent it back for that exact reason. It was worthless in anything but still air. Constantly hitting the wrong buttons while bouncing. If you have "fat" fingers it wasn't even that good in still air. I prefer the dedicated buttons on my Garmin(s) and particularly the dedicated software. My Garmin car GPS with touch screen can even be difficult while moving but at least I have the option (and used it) to pull over. Jim ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:00 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R I haven't flown with my AV8OR in turbulence at all but there is a stylus built into the back of the GPS that can be used if the accuracy of your finger is not adaquate. I am fairly happy with my AV8OR. The first batch had cheap switches for power and menu buttons but Honeywell replaced the units under warranty. Doug MacDonald NW Ontario, Canada RV-4 dreamer Do Not Archive --- On Fri, 8/7/09, L Klingmuller wrote: > From: L Klingmuller > Subject: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Received: Friday, August 7, 2009, 8:06 AM > The AV80R GPS apparently has been on the > market for about one year. > Now BendixKing came out, first > (?) at Oshkosh this year, with a BIG screen model (AV80R ACE > with all of the big $$ items. > > > My questions: > has anybody on the list used or has knowledge with > the smaller (AV80R) model. I am > somewhat concerned with the touch screen feature in > turbulence. Apparently this is the > only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen > feature. > > > SO, lets hear from YOUR > input. > > Thanks, Lothar RV-6A, 853 > hrs. > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:00 AM PST US From: Charles Rowbotham Subject: RE: RV-List: Another one joins the fleet! Paul=2C CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A > From: FisherPaulA@JohnDeere.com > Subject: RV-List: Another one joins the fleet! > > > Last evening was perfect=2C clear skies=2C zero wind and not too hot. I c ouldn't stand it anymore! My new RV-7A has had its airworthiness certificat e for almost two weeks - it was time to fly! > > Paul A. Fisher > Taylor Ridge=2C Illinois > RV-7A N18PF - FLYING!! _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:e n-US:SI_PH_software:082009 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:49 AM PST US From: George Inman 204 287 8334 Subject: RV-List: Alternator output fuse I am using a CAM 040AD alternator Which is a DENSO alternator 18504-6220 . It is a 40amp alternator,and the instructions say to use a 40amp fuse on the output. After about 15hrs on the RV-8 ,the breaker blew. It seems I will need a larger breaker.What size are others using for output on a 40amp alternator?? -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net Home 204 287 8334 Cell 204 799 7062 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:46 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R No experience with this unit, but had some experience with a touch screen EFB in my prior life. You are right to be concerned. Constant problems with screen getting touched when you did not want it touched. Stowing the unit in it's cabinet would often accidentally touch the screen. Then when you pulled it out, you would be on another screen and often had a hard time finding your way back to the desired screen. We switched to a unit that used a stylus. That is not a perfect solution either, but at least the screen stays where you want it. Still can be a bit tough in turbulence. I am using a unit that uses a stylus in my RV-10 now and am pretty happy with it. David Maib 40559 On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:06 AM, L Klingmuller wrote: The AV80R GPS apparently has been on the market for about one year. Now BendixKing came out, first (?) at Oshkosh this year, with a BIG screen model (AV80R ACE with all of the big $$ items. My questions: has anybody on the list used or has knowledge with the smaller (AV80R) model. I am somewhat concerned with the touch screen feature in turbulence. Apparently this is the only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen feature. SO, let=92s hear from YOUR input. Thanks, Lothar RV-6A, 853 hrs. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:21 AM PST US From: Corey Crawford Subject: RV-List: Wind noise from vents Hello everyone, I've been flying a Diamond Star (DA40) lately, and it has the same eyeball-vents-on-the-panel that my RV-7A has. When flying in the DA40 with the vents open, I notice that my ANR headset softens the engine noise, but the noise of the air coming out of the eyeball vents is really loud (loud enough that I really need to crank the audio to hear comms). If the vents are closed the noise is reduced dramatically. For those of you flying, do you notice this same thing in your RV? Has anyone done anything to combat this? I've done all my training in newer Cessna 172s and 182s, where their outside air vents hardly make any noise, even full open. -- Corey Crawford RV-7A (building) Denver, CO ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:38 AM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternator output fuse are you using did the breaker trip or did it fail. if it failed you probably had a loose wire on it. if it just triped it did its job and you have foo much load. rick --- On Fri, 8/7/09, George Inman 204 287 8334 wrote: > From: George Inman 204 287 8334 > Subject: RV-List: Alternator output fuse > To: "RV-list matronics" > Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 7:21 AM > George Inman 204 287 8334 > > > > I am using a CAM 040AD > alternator > Which is a > DENSO alternator 18504-6220 . > > It is a 40amp alternator,and the instructions > say to use a > 40amp fuse on the output. > > After about 15hrs on the RV-8 ,the breaker > blew. > > It seems I will need a larger breaker.What size are > others using > for output on a 40amp alternator?? > > -- > George H. Inman > ghinman@mts.net > Home 204 287 8334 > Cell 204 799 7062 > > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:47 AM PST US From: Mike Divan Subject: Re: RV-List: Wind noise from vents You can increase the squelch. I notice it kind of depends where my vents are pointed at (RV6). The more directly they are pointing at me the more I need to increase the squelch. I have heard that others have put steel wool behind the vent in the SCAT tubing. Playing with the squelch works for me most of the time. I use the in your ear head set most of the time but if my better half is not with me I sometimes use her ZULU. Hope it helps. Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 (flying) http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! Remember it is the Solder, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Cost Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"! ________________________________ From: Corey Crawford Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 8:23:32 AM Subject: RV-List: Wind noise from vents Hello everyone, I've been flying a Diamond Star (DA40) lately, and it has the same eyeball-vents-on-the-panel that my RV-7A has. When flying in the DA40 with the vents open, I notice that my ANR headset softens the engine noise, but the noise of the air coming out of the eyeball vents is really loud (loud enough that I really need to crank the audio to hear comms). If the vents are closed the noise is reduced dramatically. For those of you flying, do you notice this same thing in your RV? Has anyone done anything to combat this? I've done all my training in newer Cessna 172s and 182s, where their outside air vents hardly make any noise, even full open. -- Corey Crawford RV-7A (building) Denver, CO ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:05 AM PST US From: "sheldon barrett" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wind noise from vents I have wind noise In my RV6A with my (Van's big plastic) vents open (lots of air)... Reduces when they are closed... Not loud wind noise as you say in that I don't have to up the intercom volume... I have Bose headsets.. Probably the noise in the various models of aircraft is due to the amount/velocity of air rushing in...?? Sheldon Barrett RV6A 560 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Corey Crawford To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: RV-List: Wind noise from vents Hello everyone, I've been flying a Diamond Star (DA40) lately, and it has the same eyeball-vents-on-the-panel that my RV-7A has. When flying in the DA40 with the vents open, I notice that my ANR headset softens the engine noise, but the noise of the air coming out of the eyeball vents is really loud (loud enough that I really need to crank the audio to hear comms). If the vents are closed the noise is reduced dramatically. For those of you flying, do you notice this same thing in your RV? Has anyone done anything to combat this? I've done all my training in newer Cessna 172s and 182s, where their outside air vents hardly make any noise, even full open. -- Corey Crawford RV-7A (building) Denver, CO ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:37 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Wind noise from vents Sounds to me like your engine wasn't big enough... :-) Matt At 09:08 AM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote: >I have wind noise In my RV6A with my (Van's big plastic) vents open (lots of air)... Reduces when they are closed... Not loud wind noise as you say in that I don't have to up the intercom volume... I have Bose headsets.. Probably the noise in the various models of aircraft is due to the amount/velocity of air rushing in...?? > >Sheldon Barrett >RV6A 560 hrs >----- Original Message ----- >From: Corey Crawford >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:23 AM >Subject: RV-List: Wind noise from vents > >Hello everyone, > >I've been flying a Diamond Star (DA40) lately, and it has the same eyeball-vents-on-the-panel that my RV-7A has. When flying in the DA40 with the vents open, I notice that my ANR headset softens the engine noise, but the noise of the air coming out of the eyeball vents is really loud (loud enough that I really need to crank the audio to hear comms). If the vents are closed the noise is reduced dramatically. > >For those of you flying, do you notice this same thing in your RV? Has anyone done anything to combat this? > >I've done all my training in newer Cessna 172s and 182s, where their outside air vents hardly make any noise, even full open. > >-- >Corey Crawford >RV-7A (building) >Denver, CO ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:17 AM PST US From: Mike Divan Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R Lothar=0A=0AI use the Anywhere Map ATC (http://www.anywheremap.com/anywhere map-atc.aspx ) which is a touch screen. Here is link where with there compa rison of the ATC vs AV8OR vs Garmin 496/596. As for the touch screen (the A TC is small like the AV8OR) usually not that big a deal. I use a mechanical pencil to wright with and I use the eraser end on the touch screen. On occ asion (I find not often) when I need a finer point I simple use the led end (0.7 pencil). Also I find I really do not need to tap the screen that much in flight. I have a Garmin 396 (second hand from Ebay) with XM WX and radi o. The garmin has less wires for the WX. I like the ATC better for navigati on. The reason airport information and frequencies and altitudes for airspa ce are just one fat finger touch away vs multiple button pushes. They both have pluses and minues but for navagation I like the ATC the majority of th e time.=0A=0AO - one BIG plus for the ATC is $119 (or $400 lifetime) a year gets you updated ALL YEAR long. TFR, airspace everything. Add a little bit more (I did) you get fuel prices. TFR's and fuel are updated frequently (n ot shire how often but at least a couple times a week). I hook the ATC up t o the computer before I fly and I got fuel prices on the fly. It is great. They just came out with a new program that puts sectionals on the ATC. I or dered it let you know how it works if you are interested.=0A=0AOK all that just to say - the touch screen works for me most of the time not a problem (the AV8OR is probably the same as far as the touch screen goes). But like anything there is good and bad. Find one and play with it. If you are near SoCal or within a hour or 2 of flying with someplace good to eat I will be glad to fly out and let you check out the Anywhere Map ATC (I have no relat ion to them except I use one). =0A=0A Mike Divan=0AN64GH - RV6 (flying) =0A http://n64gh.blogspot.com/=0AFREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDI ER FOR YOURS!=0ARemember it is the Solder, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Cost Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"!=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Maib =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, August 7, 2009 8:08:01 AM=0AS ubject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R=0A=0ANo experience with this un it, but had some experience with a touch screen EFB in my prior life. You a re right to be concerned. Constant problems with screen getting touched whe n you did not want it touched. Stowing the unit in it's cabinet would often accidentally touch the screen. Then when you pulled it out, you would be o n another screen and often had a hard time finding your way back to the des ired screen. We switched to a unit that used a stylus. That is not a perfec t solution either, but at least the screen stays where you want it. Still c an be a bit tough in turbulence. I am using a unit that uses a stylus in my RV-10 now and am pretty happy with it.=0A=0ADavid Maib=0A40559=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AOn Aug 7, 2009, at 9:06 AM, L Klingmuller wrote:=0A=0AThe AV80R GPS apparently has been on the market for about one year.=0ANow BendixKing came out, first (?) at Oshkosh this year, with a BIG screen model (AV80R ACE wi th all of the big $$ items.=0A =0AMy questions: has anybody on the list us ed or has knowledge with the smaller (AV80R) model. I am somewhat concerne d with the touch screen feature in turbulence. Apparently this is the only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen feature.=0A =0ASO, let=99s h ear from YOUR input.=0A =0AThanks, Lothar RV-6A, 853 hrs.=0A href="http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contrib ution =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:57 PM PST US From: "Panama Red" Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R Great review, thanks for the Info Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West' ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Divan To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R Lothar I use the Anywhere Map ATC (http://www.anywheremap.com/anywheremap-atc.aspx ) which is a touch screen. Here is link where with there comparison of the ATC vs AV8OR vs Garmin 496/596. As for the touch screen (the ATC is small like the AV8OR) usually not that big a deal. I use a mechanical pencil to wright with and I use the eraser end on the touch screen. On occasion (I find not often) when I need a finer point I simple use the led end (0.7 pencil). Also I find I really do not need to tap the screen that much in flight. I have a Garmin 396 (second hand from Ebay) with XM WX and radio. The garmin has less wires for the WX. I like the ATC better for navigation. The reason airport information and frequencies and altitudes for airspace are just one fat finger touch away vs multiple button pushes. They both have pluses and minues but for navagation I like the ATC the majority of the time. O - one BIG plus for the ATC is $119 (or $400 lifetime) a year gets you updated ALL YEAR long. TFR, airspace everything. Add a little bit more (I did) you get fuel prices. TFR's and fuel are updated frequently (not shire how often but at least a couple times a week). I hook the ATC up to the computer before I fly and I got fuel prices on the fly. It is great. They just came out with a new program that puts sectionals on the ATC. I ordered it let you know how it works if you are interested. OK all that just to say - the touch screen works for me most of the time not a problem (the AV8OR is probably the same as far as the touch screen goes). But like anything there is good and bad. Find one and play with it. If you are near SoCal or within a hour or 2 of flying with someplace good to eat I will be glad to fly out and let you check out the Anywhere Map ATC (I have no relation to them except I use one). Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 (flying) http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! Remember it is the Solder, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Cost Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: David Maib To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 8:08:01 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: BendixKing GPS - AV80R No experience with this unit, but had some experience with a touch screen EFB in my prior life. You are right to be concerned. Constant problems with screen getting touched when you did not want it touched. Stowing the unit in it's cabinet would often accidentally touch the screen. Then when you pulled it out, you would be on another screen and often had a hard time finding your way back to the desired screen. We switched to a unit that used a stylus. That is not a perfect solution either, but at least the screen stays where you want it. Still can be a bit tough in turbulence. I am using a unit that uses a stylus in my RV-10 now and am pretty happy with it. David Maib 40559 On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:06 AM, L Klingmuller wrote: The AV80R GPS apparently has been on the market for about one year. Now BendixKing came out, first (?) at Oshkosh this year, with a BIG screen model (AV80R ACE with all of the big $$ items. My questions: has anybody on the list used or has knowledge with the smaller (AV80R) model. I am somewhat concerned with the touch screen feature in turbulence. Apparently this is the only (??) aviation GPS with the touch screen feature. SO, let=99s hear from YOUR input. Thanks, Lothar RV-6A, 853 hrs. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:48 PM PST US From: Don Diehl Subject: RV-List: RV-4 For Sale 1986. O-320E2D, 150 hp, 766 SMOH and TTA/F, 430 TT all wiring & plumbing. Ted Hendrickson prop, Landoll balancer. Dynon D10A w/ AOA & remote compass. David Clark headsets w/ Headsets Inc ANR. Whelan 3 in 1 strobe/position/position rear wingtip lights. Medical problem, Prkinson's disease forces sale. $36,000 diehldon@comcast.net for details and more photos. Don Diehl 360-377-8191 Bremerton WA Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:53 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas? From: J Riffel I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl. I followed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall and where the top/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But the top/bottom clam halves hinges just aren't cutting the mustard. Getting the clam halfs to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam - so the top/bottom hinge teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the pin. The hinge teeth seem to bend off-center at the slightest bump. When I try to bend them back into line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also worried that the hinges pins will vibrate and chafe the paint if I get the seam "tight" enough to look good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting on the paint shop and can change the design). Anyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening design with different fasteners - and happy with the result? (Pictures would be helpful) Thanks, "Jerry" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:12 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Ideas? Where are you located? You did use the smaller dia hinge pin right? Scott =0ARV-8a --- On Fri, 8/7/09, J Riffel wrote: From: J Riffel Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas? I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl.-=0A-=0AI fo llowed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall and-where the to p/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But the top/bottom clam halves hinges-just aren't cutting the mustard.-Getting the clam ha lfs to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam - so the top/bottom hin ge teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the pin. The hinge teeth se em to bend off-center-at the slightest bump. When I try to bend them back into line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also worried that the hinges p ins will vibrate and chafe the paint- if I get the seam "tight" enough to look good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting on the paint shop and can cha nge the design).=0A=0A-=0AAnyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening design with different fasteners - and happy with the result ?-(Pictures would be helpful)=0A-=0AThanks,=0A"Jerry"=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.