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1. 11:10 AM - Re: Cowl Ideas? (Richard Martin)
2. 05:09 PM - Re: smoke system (David Leonard)
3. 05:10 PM - Re: smoke system (David Leonard)
4. 05:39 PM - Re: Cowl Ideas? (Robin Marks)
5. 06:12 PM - Re: Cowl Ideas? (Larry Bowen)
6. 06:40 PM - Re: Cowl Ideas? (Kyle Boatright)
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Forget piano hinges and wires, they are a pain in the butt.
I used SS camlock fasteners and adjustable receptacles from SKYBOLT
FASTENER from Apopka Florida. They are easy to install,, and fit
tighter , also removal and attaching the cowl is quick, easy and
positive. I now have over 3000 hours on my RV8 and the cowl fits just
as good as when it was installed. Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: J Riffel
To: rv-list
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl.
I followed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall and where
the top/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But the
top/bottom clam halves hinges just aren't cutting the mustard. Getting
the clam halfs to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam - so the
top/bottom hinge teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the pin.
The hinge teeth seem to bend off-center at the slightest bump. When I
try to bend them back into line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also
worried that the hinges pins will vibrate and chafe the paint if I get
the seam "tight" enough to look good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting
on the paint shop and can change the design).
Anyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening design
with different fasteners - and happy with the result? (Pictures would be
helpful)
Thanks,
"Jerry"
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Subject: | Re: smoke system |
Ruben, I am using a whelen pump that weighs only 1 lb. and has an internal
spring-loaded check valve. Currently it flows .83 gal/min (controlled by
the size of the holes in the injector. Will burn out quick if run without
oil, so I use a fluid level switch to turn it off.
Example:
http://www.expressfuelpumps.com/gsl391-190lph-walbro-inline-fuel-pump-universal-p-3782.html
David Leonard
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Reuven Silberman <pilots2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Im doin my own smoke system and have designed a 6 gal fiberglass tank that
> fits right behind the right seat (with minimal loss of baggage area) for a
> 7A. All the pumps I have seen are huge. Has anyone tried the Facet fuel
> pump (the one with the AN fittings)? And what is everyone using for the
> electrionic shutoff?
>
> Reuven Silberman
> N7WT KSEE
> Pilots2@yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, wgill10@comcast.net <wgill10@comcast.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: wgill10@comcast.net <wgill10@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: smoke system
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:12 AM
>
> Tim,
>
> Do you have a P/N for the tank? I could not find one like the one in your
> photo. Thanks in advance for your reply.
>
> Bill
> RV-7 N151WP
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1@comcast.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: RV-List: smoke system
>
> Matte,
>
> Go to Northerntool.com and pick a tank. I picked one that fits nicely in
> the drop down section of the forward baggage compartment...they had one
> that
> dropped right in. 3.5 gals.
>
> The pump is just an ordinary ag pump...check online.
>
> Here are a couple of pics,
> http://picasaweb.google.com/tconerv8/SmokeSystem#
>
> Thanks for the compliment on the 37 ship. My homebrewed smoke was looking
> just fine as Delta 3 and I was the only smoker in that file.
>
> Tim
>
> do not archive
> Timothy E. Cone
> tcone1@comcast.net<http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tcone1@comcast.net>
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> 3D=======================================
> 3D====
> st
> 3D=======================================
> 3D====
> 3D============================================
> >
> 3D============================================
> *
>
> *
>
> =
> *
>
>
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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Subject: | Re: smoke system |
Eh, sorry, that is a Walbro pump.
David Leonard
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:08 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ruben, I am using a whelen pump that weighs only 1 lb. and has an internal
> spring-loaded check valve. Currently it flows .83 gal/min (controlled by
> the size of the holes in the injector. Will burn out quick if run without
> oil, so I use a fluid level switch to turn it off.
>
> Example:
>
> http://www.expressfuelpumps.com/gsl391-190lph-walbro-inline-fuel-pump-universal-p-3782.html
>
> David Leonard
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Reuven Silberman <pilots2@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Im doin my own smoke system and have designed a 6 gal fiberglass tank that
>> fits right behind the right seat (with minimal loss of baggage area) for a
>> 7A. All the pumps I have seen are huge. Has anyone tried the Facet fuel
>> pump (the one with the AN fittings)? And what is everyone using for the
>> electrionic shutoff?
>>
>> Reuven Silberman
>> N7WT KSEE
>> Pilots2@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, wgill10@comcast.net <wgill10@comcast.net>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: wgill10@comcast.net <wgill10@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: smoke system
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:12 AM
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Do you have a P/N for the tank? I could not find one like the one in your
>> photo. Thanks in advance for your reply.
>>
>> Bill
>> RV-7 N151WP
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1@comcast.net>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: RV-List: smoke system
>>
>> Matte,
>>
>> Go to Northerntool.com and pick a tank. I picked one that fits nicely in
>> the drop down section of the forward baggage compartment...they had one
>> that
>> dropped right in. 3.5 gals.
>>
>> The pump is just an ordinary ag pump...check online.
>>
>> Here are a couple of pics,
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/tconerv8/SmokeSystem#
>>
>> Thanks for the compliment on the 37 ship. My homebrewed smoke was looking
>>
>> just fine as Delta 3 and I was the only smoker in that file.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> do not archive
>> Timothy E. Cone
>> tcone1@comcast.net<http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tcone1@comcast.net>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>> 3D=======================================
>> 3D====
>> st
>> 3D=======================================
>> 3D====
>> 3D============================================
>> >
>> 3D============================================
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>> =
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Leonard
>
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net <http://n4vy.rotaryroster.net/>
> http://RotaryRoster.net <http://rotaryroster.net/>
>
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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I strongly concur with Dick. I use the Skybolt fasteners on my RV-10
cowl and they work great. Plus they give that big iron look to your
build. There is a downside in that they are expensive and heavy. II
think my -10 ran close to $400. individually they don't seem too heavy
but when the box arrives and you are holing all the parts they do add
heft.
As an alternative on two of my RV's instead of the cam lock style we
used #8 SS screws and tinnerman washers. The look is similar but the
cost is nominal (few cents a screw/washer) the upside is they can be
replaced just about anywhere. I love the Skybolt system but plan to use
the #8 SS screws and tinnerman washers on my "budget" 8A coming next.
Robin
Skybolts:
#8 SS screws and tinnerman washers
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
Forget piano hinges and wires, they are a pain in the butt.
I used SS camlock fasteners and adjustable receptacles from SKYBOLT
FASTENER from Apopka Florida. They are easy to install,, and fit
tighter , also removal and attaching the cowl is quick, easy and
positive. I now have over 3000 hours on my RV8 and the cowl fits just
as good as when it was installed. Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: J Riffel <mailto:riffeljl@gmail.com>
To: rv-list <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl.
I followed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall and
where the top/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But
the top/bottom clam halves hinges just aren't cutting the mustard.
Getting the clam halfs to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam -
so the top/bottom hinge teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the
pin. The hinge teeth seem to bend off-center at the slightest bump. When
I try to bend them back into line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also
worried that the hinges pins will vibrate and chafe the paint if I get
the seam "tight" enough to look good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting
on the paint shop and can change the design).
Anyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening
design with different fasteners - and happy with the result? (Pictures
would be helpful)
Thanks,
"Jerry"
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On the RV-8, I was pretty happy with my hinges everywhere, except
skybolt fasteners at the firewall on the top cowl. The horizontal
pins where inserted from the cockpit. My only complaint was a little
bit of pucker between the skybolt's during flight. I'll probably
repeat this arrangement on the RV-7.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Robin Marks<robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
> I strongly concur with Dick. I use the Skybolt fasteners on my RV-10 cowl
> and they work great. Plus they give that big iron look to your build. There
> is a downside in that they are expensive and heavy. II think my -10 ran
> close to $400. individually they dont seem too heavy but when the box
> arrives and you are holing all the parts they do add heft.
>
> As an alternative on two of my RVs instead of the cam lock style we used #8
> SS screws and tinnerman washers. The look is similar but the cost is nominal
> (few cents a screw/washer) the upside is they can be replaced just about
> anywhere. I love the Skybolt system but plan to use the #8 SS screws and
> tinnerman washers on my budget 8A coming next.
>
>
> Robin
>
>
> Skybolts:
>
>
> #8 SS screws and tinnerman washers
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:12 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
>
>
> Forget piano hinges and wires, they are a pain in the butt.
>
> I used SS camlock fasteners and adjustable receptacles from SKYBOLT FASTENER
> from Apopka Florida. They are easy to install,, and fit tighter , also
> removal and attaching the cowl is quick, easy and positive. I now have over
> 3000 hours on my RV8 and the cowl fits just as good as when it was
> installed. Good luck.
>
> Dick Martin
>
> RV8 N233M
>
> the fast one
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: J Riffel
>
> To: rv-list
>
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:12 PM
>
> Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
>
>
> I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl.
>
>
> I followed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall andwhere the
> top/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But the top/bottom
> clam halves hingesjust aren't cutting the mustard.Getting the clam halfs
> to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam - so the top/bottom hinge
> teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the pin. The hinge teeth seem
> to bend off-centerat the slightest bump. When I try to bend them back into
> line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also worried that the hinges pins
> will vibrate and chafe the paint if I get the seam "tight" enough to look
> good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting on the paint shop and can change the
> design).
>
>
> Anyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening design with
> different fasteners - and happy with the result?(Pictures would be helpful)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> "Jerry"
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>
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>
>
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Here's another vote for screws and nutplates for the top and bottom of
the cowl/firewall join. I used #6's on my RV-6 and have been very
pleased for the last 8+ years. I used the stock hinges on the sides of
the cowl/firewall join and on the mating line for the top and bottom
cowl.
Given my experience, I'd do it the same way if I was a repeat offender.
Kyle Boatright
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
I strongly concur with Dick. I use the Skybolt fasteners on my RV-10
cowl and they work great. Plus they give that big iron look to your
build. There is a downside in that they are expensive and heavy. II
think my -10 ran close to $400. individually they don't seem too heavy
but when the box arrives and you are holing all the parts they do add
heft.
As an alternative on two of my RV's instead of the cam lock style we
used #8 SS screws and tinnerman washers. The look is similar but the
cost is nominal (few cents a screw/washer) the upside is they can be
replaced just about anywhere. I love the Skybolt system but plan to use
the #8 SS screws and tinnerman washers on my "budget" 8A coming next.
Robin
Skybolts:
#8 SS screws and tinnerman washers
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:12 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
Forget piano hinges and wires, they are a pain in the butt.
I used SS camlock fasteners and adjustable receptacles from SKYBOLT
FASTENER from Apopka Florida. They are easy to install,, and fit
tighter , also removal and attaching the cowl is quick, easy and
positive. I now have over 3000 hours on my RV8 and the cowl fits just
as good as when it was installed. Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: J Riffel
To: rv-list
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cowl Ideas?
I've got 80 hrs on my RV7A - and I've come to Hate my cowl.
I followed the plans and put hinge fasteners on the firewall and
where the top/bottom clam halfs meet. The firewall hinges are fine. But
the top/bottom clam halves hinges just aren't cutting the mustard.
Getting the clam halfs to mate seems to require a large unsightly seam -
so the top/bottom hinge teeth can move in/out as necessary to insert the
pin. The hinge teeth seem to bend off-center at the slightest bump. When
I try to bend them back into line, the hinge material fatigues. I'm also
worried that the hinges pins will vibrate and chafe the paint if I get
the seam "tight" enough to look good. (Thank goodness I'm still waiting
on the paint shop and can change the design).
Anyone out there redesigned the top/bottom clam half fastening
design with different fasteners - and happy with the result? (Pictures
would be helpful)
Thanks,
"Jerry"
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