---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/12/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:12 AM - nyloseal fittings (George Inman 204 287 8334) 2. 07:40 AM - Re: Metal Plenum with inspection access (Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc.) 3. 08:14 AM - Re: nyloseal fittings (thomas sargent) 4. 08:22 AM - need whiskey compass ? (thomas sargent) 5. 09:10 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Mike Robertson) 6. 09:21 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (David Cudney) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (George Steube) 8. 09:37 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Bob J.) 9. 10:10 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Fisher Paul A.) 10. 10:53 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Mike Kellems) 11. 10:54 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (mr.gsun@gmail.com) 12. 01:00 PM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Mike Humphrey) 13. 01:16 PM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Ollie Washburn) 14. 03:57 PM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Mike Robertson) 15. 04:40 PM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (Ron Lee) 16. 05:50 PM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (George Steube) 17. 06:35 PM - Oil pressure variation (John Fasching) 18. 07:25 PM - Re: Oil pressure variation (Mark Burns) 19. 10:35 PM - Re: Oil pressure variation (Jim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:39 AM PST US From: George Inman 204 287 8334 Subject: RV-List: nyloseal fittings RV-List: nyloseal fittings From: thomas sargent I am about to hook up my static line and pitot tube to the various instruments. I am using nyloseal fittings. Is it advisable to use anything on the nyloseal threads to make them air tight? That oil-teflon paste caled Bakerseal perhaps or maybe plumber's teflon tape? My concern is that I'm using a number of T's and you generally have to clock those to satisfy tube routing issues rather than screwing them in to optimal tightness (whatever that is). Something extra on the threads might reduce the chance that I get a leaky fit even if the T isn't screwed in as far as it could go. I did not use any sealer on the threads.However when connecting the lines I did not push the nylon tube in far enough and the connection loosened. Make sure the tube extends through the small nylon ring inside the nylon nut. Also you may want to use the 259-N insert. -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:59 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty, Lakes & Leisure Realty, Inc." Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal Plenum with inspection access That's beautiful work, thanks for sharing. Jim Fogarty RV9a QB ----- Original Message ----- From: John McMahon To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal Plenum with inspection access Hope this is not to large!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mauri To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal Plenum with inspection access maurv8@gmail.com Thanks, Mauri Morin RV-8 ----- Original Message ----- From: John McMahon To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Metal Plenum with inspection access I have one,just give me your personal E-Mail and I will send ya info and jpeg... John McMahon ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: RV-List: Metal Plenum with inspection access List, On several occasions I visited a website that featured a homemade metal plenum that had a hinge down the middle of the case to allow access to the cylinders etc. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Robin Do Not Archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: nyloseal fittings From: thomas sargent Yes, I am using the inserts. I think they increase the reliability greatly. They also make it nearly impossible for the tube to back out. But in my D10-A, anyway, the nyloseal fittings I screwed in just didn't seem very tight. They seem to fit better in the other instruments. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:17 AM, George Inman 204 287 8334 wrote: > > > RV-List: nyloseal fittings > From: thomas sargent > > I am about to hook up my static line and pitot tube to the various > instruments. I am using nyloseal fittings. Is it advisable to use > anything > on the nyloseal threads to make them air tight? That oil-teflon paste > caled > Bakerseal perhaps or maybe plumber's teflon tape? > > My concern is that I'm using a number of T's and you generally have to > clock > those to satisfy tube routing issues rather than screwing them in to > optimal > tightness (whatever that is). Something extra on the threads might reduce > the chance that I get a leaky fit even if the T isn't screwed in as far as > it could go. > > > I did not use any sealer on the threads.However when > connecting the lines I did not > push the nylon tube in far enough and the connection loosened. > Make sure the tube extends through the small nylon ring > inside the nylon nut. > Also you may want to use the 259-N insert. > > -- > > George H. Inman > ghinman@mts.net > > -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:04 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: thomas sargent I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:58 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Tom=2C If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to fl y IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In t he operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certification o ne of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in accordanc e with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight=2C aircraft is restricted to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the instr uments in paragraph (b) are required. I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think the above is enough for what you want. Mike Robertson Das Fed Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: sarg314@gmail.com I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd sel ected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent=2C RV-6A=2C final assembly. _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:49 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? In talking to other builders -- some DARs do and some don't. I put a relatively inexpensive Whiskey compass in mine --a pegasus (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/sirs_compass.php ). It seems to work just fine. good luck dave On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:20 AM, thomas sargent wrote: > I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish > I'd selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to > install). > > Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? > > Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:52 AM PST US From: "George Steube" Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? What am I missing? Where in 91.205 is a backup whiskey compass required.? Paragraph (b) (3) requires a magnetic direction indicator. Can't this be an electronic magnetic direction indicator? Regards, George -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: rv list Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Tom, If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to fly IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In the operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certification one of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in accordance with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight, aircraft is restricted to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the instruments in paragraph (b) are required. I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think the above is enough for what you want. Mike Robertson Das Fed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:20:33 -0700 Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: sarg314@gmail.com To: rv-list@matronics.com I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: "Bob J." 91.205 (b) (3) states... "Magnetic direction indicator." Why is the built-in compass in the dynon not considered a "magnetic direction indicator"? Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Mike Robertson wrote: > Tom, > > If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to > fly IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In > the operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certification > one of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in > accordance with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight, aircraft is restricted > to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the > instruments in paragraph (b) are required. > > I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think the > above is enough for what you want. > > Mike Robertson > Das Fed > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:20:33 -0700 > Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > From: sarg314@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd > selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). > > Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? > > Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. > > * > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:53 AM PST US From: "Fisher Paul A." Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? 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I have a like new Airpath pedestal mount compass if anyone-is interested -for $60.00 paypal- and I'll send it USPS included. kellemsm@yahoo.com Mike Kellems RV3 74TX Tough Times don't last - Tough People do!! - Do Not Archive --- On Wed, 8/12/09, thomas sargent wrote: From: thomas sargent Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd sel ected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install).- Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: mr.gsun@gmail.com I remember reading it as a "magnetic direction indicator" and the magnetometer that feeds direction indications to the Dynon in my IFR RV-7 meets that description. do not archive > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:06 PM PST US From: "Mike Humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Go to Walmart and get a $1.99 stick on compass in the kid's craft's department and stick it on your panel. You will meet the requirement. Nowhere does it say permanately mounted or expensive. Mike H ----- Original Message ----- From: mr.gsun@gmail.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? I remember reading it as a "magnetic direction indicator" and the magnetometer that feeds direction indications to the Dynon in my IFR RV-7 meets that description. do not archive http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: Ollie Washburn I think it does say somewhere you need a correction card. Ollie On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Mike Humphrey wrote: > Go to Walmart and get a $1.99 stick on compass in the kid's craft's > department and stick it on your panel. You will meet the requirement. > Nowhere does it say permanately mounted or expensive. > > Mike H > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* mr.gsun@gmail.com > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > > I remember reading it as a "magnetic direction indicator" and the > magnetometer that feeds direction indications to the Dynon in my IFR RV-7 > meets that description. > > do not archive > > *http://www.matronics.com/c * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:33 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? That is the part that you will have ot work out with the DAR. I agree with you in that I consider a Dynon a magnetic directional indicator but there are otheres that don't agree within the FAA and the DARs. As has been stat ed elsewhere it is the electrical part that gets in the way. Personally I got the backup battery option on my Dynon and that was the end of the discu ssion. But I also got a SIRS compass and installed it just in case everyth ing really went to sh**. Mike Robertson From: at6c@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? What am I missing? Where in 91.205 is a backup whiskey compass required.? Paragraph (b) (3) requires a magnetic direction indicator. Can't this be an electronic magnetic direction indicator? Regards=2C George -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Wednesday=2C August 12=2C 2009 11:07 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Tom=2C If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to fl y IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In t he operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certification o ne of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in accordanc e with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight=2C aircraft is restricted to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the instr uments in paragraph (b) are required. I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think the above is enough for what you want. Mike Robertson Das Fed Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: sarg314@gmail.com I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd sel ected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent=2C RV-6A=2C final assembly. p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Get your vacation photos on your phone! Click here. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail=AE . http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID233 91::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:28 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Backups to worthless whiskey compass in no particular order 1) GPS track 2) Backup GPS track 3) Directional gyro 4) Sun and roads 5) Sectional 6) Sheer blind luck at finding an airport (serendipity?) 7) ATC vectors ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:56 PM PST US From: "George Steube" Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? When my RV was signed off by the DAR it didn't have a compass (GRT system). It did have a blank compass correction card. The DAR said he would let it go, but if the airplane was going to be used for Part 135 ops it would need a compass. So if I ever use my RV for Part 135 operations I guess I will go to Walmart and get a compass. George -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:54 PM To: rv list Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? That is the part that you will have ot work out with the DAR. I agree with you in that I consider a Dynon a magnetic directional indicator but there are otheres that don't agree within the FAA and the DARs. As has been stated elsewhere it is the electrical part that gets in the way. Personally I got the backup battery option on my Dynon and that was the end of the discussion. But I also got a SIRS compass and installed it just in case everything really went to sh**. Mike Robertson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: at6c@bellsouth.net To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:25:07 -0500 What am I missing? Where in 91.205 is a backup whiskey compass required.? Paragraph (b) (3) requires a magnetic direction indicator. Can't this be an electronic magnetic direction indicator? Regards, George -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: rv list Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? Tom, If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to fly IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In the operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certification one of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in accordance with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight, aircraft is restricted to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the instruments in paragraph (b) are required. I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think the above is enough for what you want. Mike Robertson Das Fed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:20:33 -0700 Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: sarg314@gmail.com To: rv-list@matronics.com I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your vacation photos on your phone! 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I was running at 2300 RPM so I increased engine RPM to 2500 and the oil pressure immediately climbed back to normal and stayed there for (perhaps) an hour and the did it again. Increase in RPM again put the oil pressure into normal range and it stayed there for the rest of the flight. My thought it that the sensor may be at fault, but at $123 to replace it I want to eliminate everything else I can think of before buying a replacement. What is your guess, ideas, suggestions, hints, etc. Any input would be appreciated. John at Salida, CO ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:21 PM PST US From: "Mark Burns" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil pressure variation John, Sounds like something going on with the oil pressure relief valve to me. I'd take it out, look it over real good and clean it well. Some little something my have gotten stuck on the steel ball. Just something to try. Mark _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure variation I am puzzled by this: my RV6A with a Lyc O-320 uses no oil between changes, isn't leaking oil, and oil temps are completely normal. On the way back from OSH I noticed the oil pressure (as measured on an International Electronics digital OPT-1 meter) dropping to 20PSI - it normally runs 72-74 PSI. I was running at 2300 RPM so I increased engine RPM to 2500 and the oil pressure immediately climbed back to normal and stayed there for (perhaps) an hour and the did it again. Increase in RPM again put the oil pressure into normal range and it stayed there for the rest of the flight. My thought it that the sensor may be at fault, but at $123 to replace it I want to eliminate everything else I can think of before buying a replacement. What is your guess, ideas, suggestions, hints, etc. Any input would be appreciated. John at Salida, CO 18:12:00 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:24 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil pressure variation Hi John, If you have an oil filter remove it and open it up. Inspect it carefully for metal partials. Also remove the screen and inspect it. As suggested by Mark Burns remove inspect and replace the oil pressure regulator valve. Send an oil sample to a lab to get a best guess as to internal wear and tear. Hopefully you will not find engine pieces with part numbers on them.{[;-) Be cautious when trouble shooting the oiling system behavior you describe. What you describe sounds very much like you could possibly be getting a warning for a lubrication system failure that at the very least could be expen$ive. I'm not trying to scare you. It may well be a simple sending unit failure mode or some such simple fixable item. I have never liked to hear engine stoppage stories. I have hear a few too many of late. The best of luck to you, Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure variation I am puzzled by this: my RV6A with a Lyc O-320 uses no oil between changes, isn't leaking oil, and oil temps are completely normal. On the way back from OSH I noticed the oil pressure (as measured on an International Electronics digital OPT-1 meter) dropping to 20PSI - it normally runs 72-74 PSI. I was running at 2300 RPM so I increased engine RPM to 2500 and the oil pressure immediately climbed back to normal and stayed there for (perhaps) an hour and the did it again. Increase in RPM again put the oil pressure into normal range and it stayed there for the rest of the flight. My thought it that the sensor may be at fault, but at $123 to replace it I want to eliminate everything else I can think of before buying a replacement. What is your guess, ideas, suggestions, hints, etc. Any input would be appreciated. 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