---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/13/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - Re: Oil pressure variation (Mike Mckenna) 2. 06:24 AM - Re: Oil pressure variation (Ron Lee) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Oil pressure variation (Mike Robertson) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (mr.gsun@gmail.com) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: need whiskey compass ? (David Cudney) 6. 05:12 PM - Vote for the September EAA "Sport Aviation" cover photo (RV6 Flyer) 7. 05:21 PM - Plane Power Alternator (Andrew Leopold) 8. 07:04 PM - Leather Upholstery Arrives... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:02 AM PST US From: "Mike Mckenna" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil pressure variation John, Poor electrical connections will also cause the symptoms you are experiencing. Check all connections at the sensor and instrument ends. Also look for any possible intermittent short to ground along the sender wire. Mike Mckenna -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Fasching Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:34 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure variation I am puzzled by this: my RV6A with a Lyc O-320 uses no oil between changes, isn't leaking oil, and oil temps are completely normal. On the way back from OSH I noticed the oil pressure (as measured on an International Electronics digital OPT-1 meter) dropping to 20PSI - it normally runs 72-74 PSI. I was running at 2300 RPM so I increased engine RPM to 2500 and the oil pressure immediately climbed back to normal and stayed there for (perhaps) an hour and the did it again. Increase in RPM again put the oil pressure into normal range and it stayed there for the rest of the flight. My thought it that the sensor may be at fault, but at $123 to replace it I want to eliminate everything else I can think of before buying a replacement. What is your guess, ideas, suggestions, hints, etc. Any input would be appreciated. John at Salida, CO ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:11 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil pressure variation Jim, you are exactly right. I was troubleshooting something like this on my RV. Added another oil pressure gauge to verify my system. When that confirmed the readings were right I checked the oil screen and it was full of metal. I am not saying that it is the case with you John but I would check things as Jim suggested before flying again. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil pressure variation Hi John, If you have an oil filter remove it and open it up. Inspect it carefully for metal partials. Also remove the screen and inspect it. As suggested by Mark Burns remove inspect and replace the oil pressure regulator valve. Send an oil sample to a lab to get a best guess as to internal wear and tear. Hopefully you will not find engine pieces with part numbers on them.{[;-) Be cautious when trouble shooting the oiling system behavior you describe. What you describe sounds very much like you could possibly be getting a warning for a lubrication system failure that at the very least could be expen$ive. I'm not trying to scare you. It may well be a simple sending unit failure mode or some such simple fixable item. I have never liked to hear engine stoppage stories. I have hear a few too many of late. The best of luck to you, Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:59 AM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil pressure variation Everyone else has made good suggestions. After all that there is one more thing to keep in the bacvk of your head. It may not be an issue but then a gain...... And that would be the oil pump. If the gears in the oil pump a re starting to go it can display the symptoms you gave. If all else looks good then this amy be where you will end up looking especially if you can't find evidence in the engine logs that the AD about this was ever accomplis hed. Check everything else first=2C then ground run it some more with a di rect reading pressure gauge before you do any tearing into. Mike Robertson Das Fed From: mmckenna@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil pressure variation John=2C Poor electrical connections will also cause the symptoms you are experienc ing. Check all connections at the sensor and instrument ends. Also look for any possible intermittent short to ground along the sender wire. Mike Mckenna -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com]On Behalf Of John Fasching Sent: Wednesday=2C August 12=2C 2009 8:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure variation I am puzzled by this: my RV6A with a Lyc O-320 uses no oil between changes =2C isn't leaking oil=2C and oil temps are completely normal. On the way back from OSH I noticed the oil pressure (as measured on an Inte rnational Electronics digital OPT-1 meter) dropping to 20PSI - it normally runs 72-74 PSI. I was running at 2300 RPM so I increased engine RPM to 2500 and the oil pressure immediately climbed back to normal and stayed there f or (perhaps) an hour and the did it again. Increase in RPM again put the oi l pressure into normal range and it stayed there for the rest of the flight .. My thought it that the sensor may be at fault=2C but at $123 to replace it I want to eliminate everything else I can think of before buying a replacem ent. What is your guess=2C ideas=2C suggestions=2C hints=2C etc. Any input would be appreciated. John at Salida=2C CO href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:e n-US:SI_PH_software:082009 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? From: mr.gsun@gmail.com I've got the battery backup in the Dynon and I consider it my backup to the main EFIS (Blue Mountain). Both have independent and separately located Magnetometers. Since I aligned both instruments to be exactly NSE&W and did the calibration on both per specs, I printed up a compass card and posted it. ie N=360 , S = 180 etc. You folks see anything wrong with my logic here? It all works and seems safe to me. But I'm just the pilot. do not archive On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, George Steube wrote: > When my RV was signed off by the DAR it didn't have a compass (GRT > system). It did have a blank compass correction card. The DAR said he > would let it go, but if the airplane was going to be used for Part 135 op s > it would need a compass. So if I ever use my RV for Part 135 operations I > guess I will go to Walmart and get a compass. > George > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Mike Robertson > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:54 PM > *To:* rv list > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > > That is the part that you will have ot work out with the DAR. I agree wi th > you in that I consider a Dynon a magnetic directional indicator but there > are otheres that don't agree within the FAA and the DARs. As has been > stated elsewhere it is the electrical part that gets in the way. Persona lly > I got the backup battery option on my Dynon and that was the end of the > discussion. But I also got a SIRS compass and installed it just in case > everything really went to sh**. > > Mike Robertson > > ------------------------------ > From: at6c@bellsouth.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:25:07 -0500 > > What am I missing? Where in 91.205 is a backup whiskey compass > required.? Paragraph (b) (3) requires a magnetic direction indicator. > Can't this be an electronic magnetic direction indicator? > Regards, > George > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Mike Robertson > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:07 AM > *To:* rv list > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > > Tom, > > If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you want to > fly IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey compass. Reason?? In > the operating limitations that will be issued at the time of certificatio n > one of the paragraphs will read: "Unless appropriately equipped in > accordance with 91.205 for night and/or IFR flight, aircraft is restricte d > to day VFR." The first paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the > instruments in paragraph (b) are required. > > I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I think th e > above is enough for what you want. > > Mike Robertson > Das Fed > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:20:33 -0700 > Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > From: sarg314@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish I'd > selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to install). > > Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? > > Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. > > * > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contrib ution > * > > > ------------------------------ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! 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Try > it now. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > =========== nics.com/Navigator?RV-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:04 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? I've got a Dynon 100 (with battery backup), a 396 in a gizmo mount, an ADI with gps (gives track and has battery backup), an auto pilot with internal "gyros", a whiskey compass, and if all else fails my iphone has a compass that works pretty good if you hold it away from the rest of the electronic stuff. It is a wonder that I can find my way around on the ground. dave On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:25 AM, mr.gsun@gmail.com wrote: > I've got the battery backup in the Dynon and I consider it my backup > to the main EFIS (Blue Mountain). Both have independent and > separately located Magnetometers. Since I aligned both instruments > to be exactly NSE&W and did the calibration on both per specs, I > printed up a compass card and posted it. ie N=360 , S = 180 > etc. You folks see anything wrong with my logic here? It all > works and seems safe to me. But I'm just the pilot. > > do not archive > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, George Steube > wrote: > When my RV was signed off by the DAR it didn't have a compass (GRT > system). It did have a blank compass correction card. The DAR said > he would let it go, but if the airplane was going to be used for > Part 135 ops it would need a compass. So if I ever use my RV for > Part 135 operations I guess I will go to Walmart and get a compass. > George > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:54 PM > To: rv list > Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > > That is the part that you will have ot work out with the DAR. I > agree with you in that I consider a Dynon a magnetic directional > indicator but there are otheres that don't agree within the FAA and > the DARs. As has been stated elsewhere it is the electrical part > that gets in the way. Personally I got the backup battery option on > my Dynon and that was the end of the discussion. But I also got a > SIRS compass and installed it just in case everything really went to > sh**. > > Mike Robertson > > From: at6c@bellsouth.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:25:07 -0500 > > What am I missing? Where in 91.205 is a backup whiskey compass > required.? Paragraph (b) (3) requires a magnetic direction > indicator. Can't this be an electronic magnetic direction indicator? > Regards, > George > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > ]On Behalf Of Mike Robertson > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:07 AM > To: rv list > Subject: RE: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > > Tom, > > If all you want to do is VFR then the dynon is fine. but if you > want to fly IFR then you will need to have a back-up whiskey > compass. Reason?? In the operating limitations that will be issued > at the time of certification one of the paragraphs will read: > "Unless appropriately equipped in accordance with 91.205 for night > and/or IFR flight, aircraft is restricted to day VFR." The first > paragraph in both 91.205 (c) and (d) states that the instruments in > paragraph (b) are required. > > I can get a lot more in depth about this if you would like but I > think the above is enough for what you want. > > Mike Robertson > Das Fed > > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:20:33 -0700 > Subject: RV-List: need whiskey compass ? > From: sarg314@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > I have a Dynon D10-A and I bought the external compass module (wish > I'd selected the "internal" option because it was a lot of work to > install). > > Will a DAR require that I also have a whiskey compass? > > Should I have a whiskey compass anyway just for redundancy? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A, final assembly. > > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > Get your vacation photos on your phone! 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If you would like to see Falcon leading the 37-ship taxi as the cover of "S port Aviation"=2C go to the following web site and vote. http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid =147&fo\ rumid=175&topicid=2708 August 17 is the date that EAA will count the votes so please do not wait t oo long. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C281+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR _sync:082009 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:59 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Plane Power Alternator From: "Andrew Leopold" Hi Guys, I have a Plane Power alternator Model AL 12-E160/B (the same as in Vans catalogue). However I do not have a boss mounting kit that usually comes with it. Does anyone know if the ES ALT-BKT Boss Mount Alternator Bracket Kit from Vans will do the trick? I asked Vans but they don't know. Regards Andrew Leopold ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:38 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Leather Upholstery Arrives... The leather upholstery from Classic Aero Designs ( http://www.classic.aero ) arrived yesterday. In a word: BEAUTIFUL! Very professional looking and something you'd see in a fine Italian sports car! The supple leather feels so nice sliding down into. Everything fit very nicely including the LCD screen and rear-view camera in the pilot's head rest. The arm-rests also fit nicely as did the stick boots. The comfort of the leather and all ComforFoam combination can only truly be experienced to be fully appreciated! I'm also so glad that I took the extra time and foam cutting iterations to get the seats cut just right as well as the relationship of the arm-rest height and width to pilot fit. When you sit in either the front or the back seat, your hands and arms fall very comfortably on to the throttle and stick. It almost feels like an extension of one's own body. Very cool indeed!! Luke Doughton of Classic Aero Designs has been awesome to work with on this iterative process, and I really appreciate the extra time and care he and his staff have taken to get me just the setup I was dreaming of. I can't recommend Classic Aero Designs highly enough. 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