RV-List Digest Archive

Sun 08/16/09


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:25 AM - Re: Large attachments (Tim Bryan)
     2. 10:15 AM - Re: Large attachments (John Cox)
     3. 10:54 AM - Re: Large attachments (Timothy E. Cone)
     4. 11:11 AM - Re: Large attachments (Linn Walters)
     5. 11:45 AM - Torque Wrench Extensions (Matt Dralle)
     6. 11:53 AM - Re: Second hand GPS WANTED TO BUY (David Leonard)
     7. 12:41 PM - Re: Large attachments (Linn Walters)
     8. 12:52 PM - Re: Torque Wrench Extensions (Linn Walters)
     9. 12:53 PM - Re: Torque Wrench Extensions (Kevin Horton)
    10. 03:42 PM - IO-390 Governor Cable Routing... (Matt Dralle)
    11. 04:14 PM - Re: Torque Wrench Extensions (Kelly McMullen)
    12. 04:41 PM - brake drag (charlie heathco)
    13. 04:53 PM - Re: brake drag (Ralph E. Capen)
    14. 04:54 PM - Re: brake drag (Kelly McMullen)
    15. 05:11 PM - Re: brake drag (Ralph E. Capen)
    16. 05:41 PM - Re: Torque Wrench Extensions (Mike Robertson)
    17. 07:50 PM - Re: Large attachments (Charlie England)
    18. 08:02 PM - Re: brake drag (Tailgummer@aol.com)
    19. 08:39 PM - Re: brake drag (Ralph E. Capen)
    20. 09:19 PM - Re: Large attachments (Jerry Springer)
    21. 09:19 PM - Off topics WAS: Large attachments, Check This Out, etc. (Ralph Finch)
    22. 09:33 PM - Re: IO-390 Governor Cable Routing... (William Gill)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:25:44 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: Large attachments
    I have to say I am quite surprised by the responses on this list. Photos are not really enhanced by a resolution over about 76 when passed around in email or posted on the web. I have high speed Internet but still don't see any point in consuming my bandwidth or all the shared bandwidth for large photos. I get a bit annoyed when sitting in an airport connected to my blackberry on a slow connection trying to get a work email and then somebody sends a 8Meg photo in a joke while I have to stop and change my email settings, or log in via a web page to go get rid of it first. Just because your car goes 120 mph doesn't make it OK to do so. Really we should all get a bit more educated about the technology and not just assume because a huge file fits it is the right thing to do and the few who can't are in the wrong. We have at least some obligation to be realistic about what we are doing. The software to fix the issue is readily available for free. I take all my photos in high resolution in the event I want to print them, but resize everything before posting on the Net. Sorry, I never rant on this list and don't like it, but like I said the responses have surprised me a bit. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TBover 120 hours now > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:50 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments > > > I am sympathetic to the issues caused by dial-up, having spent too > many years on that service. But, now that Matt is allowing > attachments on his e-mail lists, it is a fact of life that some of > those attachments are going to be larger than a dial-up user will > want. It isn't reasonable to expect that every user will manage to > remember to think of the poor dial-up users every time. > > Just complaining on the list is not going to do the job, as there is > zero chance you will change everyone's behaviour. If you want to > solve the problem for good, you'll need to do it yourself, rather than > depending on other people to solve your problem for you. Most e-mail > programs have options that allow the user to specify a maximum > attachment size that will be downloaded. If you really want to solve > this problem, and your e-mail client doesn't have this option, maybe > it is time to switch to another e-mail program. > > Kevin Horton > > On 15 Aug 2009, at 10:28, Ron Lee wrote: > > > > > Very condescending John. It is also easy for a poster to reduce the > > picture > > size to one that is not problematic. > > > > Ron Lee > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" > <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> > > To: <rv-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:43 AM > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > > > > >> > >> Robin, I looked back on my incoming and surmised it was Matt's > >> leather > >> seats post but you could be right. > >> > >> The issue is and will remain the desire of a few to hobble the use > by > >> the many of 21 century technology because they choose to remain > >> strapped > >> with late 20th century bandwidth. Choices abound. For some it's an > >> issue of cost. They do not see the additional value. There are > >> several > >> services that provide satellite downlink using 20th century request > >> telephone uplink technology. It can work as far north as Alaska > >> and I > >> live in a forest. > >> > >> I enjoy Matt's hosting and will continue to want to stay on the bus > >> rather than stop frequently for a few. As you know I also love your > >> photos. One service might be for members to use the 19th century > >> telephone and read the posts so as not to jam up the tin cans and > >> string > >> which are clearly run too tight with their computers. ;-) > >> > >> Just checked my Comcast service and a 35Mb file takes 14 seconds. > >> The > >> service is half the cost of my twisted pair telephony. Just a > >> contrarian perspective. > >> > >> Keep the information flowing. > >> > >> John > >> do not archive > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:08 PM > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > >> > >> > >> I am sure it was a post from me. I sent 3 photos totaling 1.2 > >> (one-point-two) Mb offing to sell an RV-8 Cowl at a significant > >> discount. I assumed I was doing a service to some -8 builder on a > >> budget > >> (not a money making venture). I could have slimmed down the images > >> even > >> further but I wanted to make sure the prospective buyer was able to > >> see > >> detail. Sorry it's been about 16 years since I was dial up. > >> > >> Robin > >> Do Not Archive > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > >> Springer > >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:02 PM > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments > >> > >> > >> From who? I have not received any large files from anyone on the > >> RV-list. Matt posted some pictures of his RV-8 seats. > >> > >> Beautiful seats Matt, only question is where does the kitchen sink > >> go? > >> ;-) > >> > >> Jerry > >> do not archive > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >


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    Time: 10:15:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Large attachments
    From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt. Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value. As Kevin mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and rightfully chose to remain behind. I have yet to hear the compelling reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each image should be charged a fee for pixels. I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy. It was not meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a more leisure pace. Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster that we desire. I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs. When shared, people go wow, I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is that one so poor. The extra $30 per month for the web service has been priceless. I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900. I wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up. Maybe then he will find I don't have a heart. If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a range of cheap technologies available. Sprint 4G for my laptop in airports has been another boon. I still have my old Motorola BRICK cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically. John Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments Very condescending John. It is also easy for a poster to reduce the picture size to one that is not problematic. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > Robin, I looked back on my incoming and surmised it was Matt's leather > seats post but you could be right. > > The issue is and will remain the desire of a few to hobble the use by > the many of 21 century technology because they choose to remain strapped > with late 20th century bandwidth. Choices abound. For some it's an > issue of cost. They do not see the additional value. There are several > services that provide satellite downlink using 20th century request > telephone uplink technology. It can work as far north as Alaska and I > live in a forest. > > I enjoy Matt's hosting and will continue to want to stay on the bus > rather than stop frequently for a few. As you know I also love your > photos. One service might be for members to use the 19th century > telephone and read the posts so as not to jam up the tin cans and string > which are clearly run too tight with their computers. ;-) > > Just checked my Comcast service and a 35Mb file takes 14 seconds. The > service is half the cost of my twisted pair telephony. Just a > contrarian perspective. > > Keep the information flowing. > > John > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:08 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > > I am sure it was a post from me. I sent 3 photos totaling 1.2 > (one-point-two) Mb offing to sell an RV-8 Cowl at a significant > discount. I assumed I was doing a service to some -8 builder on a budget > (not a money making venture). I could have slimmed down the images even > further but I wanted to make sure the prospective buyer was able to see > detail. Sorry it's been about 16 years since I was dial up. > > Robin > Do Not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:02 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments > > > From who? I have not received any large files from anyone on the > RV-list. Matt posted some pictures of his RV-8 seats. > > Beautiful seats Matt, only question is where does the kitchen sink go? > ;-) > > Jerry > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 10:54:29 AM PST US
    From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Large attachments
    Good gosh is there any RV content in this entire thread? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt. > Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value. As Kevin > mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and > rightfully chose to remain behind. I have yet to hear the compelling > reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical > report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each > image should be charged a fee for pixels. > > I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy. It was not > meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want > the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a > more leisure pace. Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster > that we desire. > > I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now > have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs. When shared, people go wow, > I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is > that one so poor. The extra $30 per month for the web service has been > priceless. I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the > thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900. I > wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart > scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up. Maybe then he > will find I don't have a heart. > > If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a > range of cheap technologies available. Sprint 4G for my laptop in > airports has been another boon. I still have my old Motorola BRICK > cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically. > > John > Do not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:28 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments > > > Very condescending John. It is also easy for a poster to reduce the > picture > size to one that is not problematic. > > Ron Lee > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:43 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > >> >> Robin, I looked back on my incoming and surmised it was Matt's leather >> seats post but you could be right. >> >> The issue is and will remain the desire of a few to hobble the use by >> the many of 21 century technology because they choose to remain > strapped >> with late 20th century bandwidth. Choices abound. For some it's an >> issue of cost. They do not see the additional value. There are > several >> services that provide satellite downlink using 20th century request >> telephone uplink technology. It can work as far north as Alaska and I >> live in a forest. >> >> I enjoy Matt's hosting and will continue to want to stay on the bus >> rather than stop frequently for a few. As you know I also love your >> photos. One service might be for members to use the 19th century >> telephone and read the posts so as not to jam up the tin cans and > string >> which are clearly run too tight with their computers. ;-) >> >> Just checked my Comcast service and a 35Mb file takes 14 seconds. The >> service is half the cost of my twisted pair telephony. Just a >> contrarian perspective. >> >> Keep the information flowing. >> >> John >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:08 PM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >> I am sure it was a post from me. I sent 3 photos totaling 1.2 >> (one-point-two) Mb offing to sell an RV-8 Cowl at a significant >> discount. I assumed I was doing a service to some -8 builder on a > budget >> (not a money making venture). I could have slimmed down the images > even >> further but I wanted to make sure the prospective buyer was able to > see >> detail. Sorry it's been about 16 years since I was dial up. >> >> Robin >> Do Not Archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Springer >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:02 PM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >> From who? I have not received any large files from anyone on the >> RV-list. Matt posted some pictures of his RV-8 seats. >> >> Beautiful seats Matt, only question is where does the kitchen sink go? >> ;-) >> >> Jerry >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:11:35 AM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Large attachments
    I already posted my views, but let me make some comments to John's email. I have empathy for the dial-up guys and really do see their point. I've been on both sides. "live with it" isn't really a good answer. John Cox wrote: > > The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt. > Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value. As Kevin > mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and > rightfully chose to remain behind. I have yet to hear the compelling > reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical > report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each > image should be charged a fee for pixels. The only compelling reason is having some consideration for those with slower dial-ups and for their (and my) storage capability. Most all the pictures on this list are informational and a 640 X 480 picture serves the purpose. I see no reason to send a huge picture that 1) you can't see it on you screen without scrolling all over the place (and I realize there are add-ons that will help out here)and 2)if the pic needs to be cropped to get the desired resolution .... then do it before sending. > > I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy. It was not > meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want > the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a > more leisure pace. Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster > that we desire. Some folks are just as happy with their dial-up connection, but want to take a drink without the fire hose. It's their choice. And they may not have a better option .... I don't know. > > I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now > have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs. When shared, people go wow, > I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is > that one so poor. The extra $30 per month for the web service has been > priceless. I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the > thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900. I > wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart > scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up. Maybe then he > will find I don't have a heart. Any picture that's sent "dumbed down" can be had pristine with a simple request to the owner. I know why YOU want big pictures, and I agree with you. Big pictures fits your needs, but they're not for everybody. There's an alternative route for you to get the quality and mega-pixel pictures, but none for the slow connection guys. > > If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a > range of cheap technologies available. Sprint 4G for my laptop in > airports has been another boon. I still have my old Motorola BRICK > cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically. I'm slowly getting mobile .... I use my iPAQ (primarily used for Anywhere Map) when I can get a free hot spot ..... but I don't want to pay for minutes on my cell phone. That takes bucks away from my airplane account!!! Just another perspective, Linn > > John > Do not Archive


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    Time: 11:45:48 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Torque Wrench Extensions
    Well, now that I found my Hartzell installation manual (!), there appears to be a need for a "special" tool that I don't have. Because the bolts for the prop require and "end-wrench" of sorts to tighten, it presents somewhat of a problem when trying to torque them. The manual shows an end-wrench looking thing that has the 7/16" on one end and a 3/8" drive on the other end. I looked though the Craftsman and Snapon web sites, but didn't find anything like this. Where might I buy one? Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle FWF


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    Time: 11:53:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Second hand GPS WANTED TO BUY
    From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
    I have a Magellan sky star plus. The database is quite old and I am not even sure if updates are available any longer (company went out of business- but another company was selling updates as of several years ago). But it would be a real entry level price. I paid almost $700. runs on 4 AA batteries or cig lighter power. Works fine. Would let it go for $150 including shipping. Dave Leonard wdleonard at gmail dot com On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew@nzactive.com>wrote: > I'm keen on an affordable, older GPS if anyone has upgraded and has one > just gathering dust. Was too slow for the last two on the list :) > > Doesn't need to be in perfect condition, does need to work (!). Any Garmin > preferred but will consider anything out there... > > Off list email: andrew at activenewzealand dot com > > Andrew > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor > *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:46 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com; > aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Garmin 296 $350 with Gizmo > > Garmin 296 for sale. I bought it new, and it works great in the air and in > the car. Lots of accessories: AirGizmo panel mount, car bean bag mount, > yoke mount, external antenna, external speaker/power cord, 128M data card > for driving that covers about half the U.S. at a time, AC power, owner's > manual, more. > > $350 plus shipping > > -- > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net


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    Time: 12:41:44 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Large attachments
    Timothy E. Cone wrote: > > Good gosh is there any RV content in this entire thread? Yes. It's here: "I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs." Sorry, couldn't resist! Linn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:13 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > >> >> The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt. >> Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value. As Kevin >> mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and >> rightfully chose to remain behind. I have yet to hear the compelling >> reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical >> report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each >> image should be charged a fee for pixels. >> >> I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy. It was not >> meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want >> the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a >> more leisure pace. Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster >> that we desire. >> >> I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now >> have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs. When shared, people go wow, >> I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is >> that one so poor. The extra $30 per month for the web service has been >> priceless. I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the >> thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900. I >> wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart >> scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up. Maybe then he >> will find I don't have a heart. >> >> If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a >> range of cheap technologies available. Sprint 4G for my laptop in >> airports has been another boon. I still have my old Motorola BRICK >> cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically. >> >> John >> Do not Archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee >> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:28 AM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >> Very condescending John. It is also easy for a poster to reduce the >> picture >> size to one that is not problematic. >> >> Ron Lee >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> >> To: <rv-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:43 AM >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >>> >>> Robin, I looked back on my incoming and surmised it was Matt's leather >>> seats post but you could be right. >>> >>> The issue is and will remain the desire of a few to hobble the use by >>> the many of 21 century technology because they choose to remain >> strapped >>> with late 20th century bandwidth. Choices abound. For some it's an >>> issue of cost. They do not see the additional value. There are >> several >>> services that provide satellite downlink using 20th century request >>> telephone uplink technology. It can work as far north as Alaska and I >>> live in a forest. >>> >>> I enjoy Matt's hosting and will continue to want to stay on the bus >>> rather than stop frequently for a few. As you know I also love your >>> photos. One service might be for members to use the 19th century >>> telephone and read the posts so as not to jam up the tin cans and >> string >>> which are clearly run too tight with their computers. ;-) >>> >>> Just checked my Comcast service and a 35Mb file takes 14 seconds. The >>> service is half the cost of my twisted pair telephony. Just a >>> contrarian perspective. >>> >>> Keep the information flowing. >>> >>> John >>> do not archive >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks >>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:08 PM >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments >>> >>> >>> I am sure it was a post from me. I sent 3 photos totaling 1.2 >>> (one-point-two) Mb offing to sell an RV-8 Cowl at a significant >>> discount. I assumed I was doing a service to some -8 builder on a >> budget >>> (not a money making venture). I could have slimmed down the images >> even >>> further but I wanted to make sure the prospective buyer was able to >> see >>> detail. Sorry it's been about 16 years since I was dial up. >>> >>> Robin >>> Do Not Archive >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry >> Springer >>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:02 PM >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments >>> >>> >>> From who? I have not received any large files from anyone on the >>> RV-list. Matt posted some pictures of his RV-8 seats. >>> >>> Beautiful seats Matt, only question is where does the kitchen sink go? >>> ;-) >>> >>> Jerry >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 12:52:30 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Torque Wrench Extensions
    I don't know if this will help: Harbor Freight (or Sears etc)has crowfoot wrenches (94426) and they're on sale right now. Linn Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Well, now that I found my Hartzell installation manual (!), there appears to be a need for a "special" tool that I don't have. Because the bolts for the prop require and "end-wrench" of sorts to tighten, it presents somewhat of a problem when trying to torque them. The manual shows an end-wrench looking thing that has the 7/16" on one end and a 3/8" drive on the other end. I looked though the Craftsman and Snapon web sites, but didn't find anything like this. Where might I buy one? > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle > FWF > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:53:35 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Torque Wrench Extensions
    On 16-Aug-09, at 14:43 , Matt Dralle wrote: > Well, now that I found my Hartzell installation manual (!), there > appears to be a need for a "special" tool that I don't have. > Because the bolts for the prop require and "end-wrench" of sorts to > tighten, it presents somewhat of a problem when trying to torque > them. The manual shows an end-wrench looking thing that has the > 7/16" on one end and a 3/8" drive on the other end. I looked though > the Craftsman and Snapon web sites, but didn't find anything like > this. Where might I buy one? You can cobble together an equivalent device. I used a very short (about 3" long) combination wrench, a bolt, a washer and nut and some duct tape. The washer is put over the bolt, then the nut is screwed on tight. This is used to transfer the torque from the socket on the torque wrench to the closed end of the combination wrench. Use some duct tape to secure the socket, bolt, washer, nut and combination wrench together. Of course you'll need to apply the standard correction to the torque wrench setting to compensate for the extension. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8


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    Time: 03:42:10 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: IO-390 Governor Cable Routing...
    Hey, first I wanted to say thanks for the feedback on all my other questions! So I ran the Governor cable today and it came out pretty nice and seems to work well. The only thing that seems a little 'if-y' is how I had to route the cable over the top of the oil sump. Is this SOP or should the cable be isolated from the sump some how? I guess I could make a standoff bracket to hold it up off the sump, but do I really need to? The cable is currently resting on the sump. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle


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    Time: 04:14:38 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Torque Wrench Extensions
    Known as a Crow's foot wrench. Craftsman will work. There are folks that sell lower cost "Hartzell" prop wrenches. Check Avery, Cleaveland, etc. Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Well, now that I found my Hartzell installation manual (!), there appears to be a need for a "special" tool that I don't have. Because the bolts for the prop require and "end-wrench" of sorts to tighten, it presents somewhat of a problem when trying to torque them. The manual shows an end-wrench looking thing that has the 7/16" on one end and a 3/8" drive on the other end. I looked though the Craftsman and Snapon web sites, but didn't find anything like this. Where might I buy one? > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle > FWF > > > > >


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    Time: 04:41:31 PM PST US
    From: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@cox.net>
    Subject: brake drag
    I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton orings? Charlie H/


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    Time: 04:53:57 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    Charlie, I couldn't get them from spruce when I got them - so I got a bunch. If you can't find a pair, let me know - we'll work something out. Meanwhile, I'll try to remember where I got mine...... Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie heathco To: rv-list Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: RV-List: brake drag I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton orings? Charlie H/


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    Time: 04:54:38 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    Take compressed air blow gun, and apply very loosely to brake line fitting, to blow the cylinder out of the caliper. All cautions about having rag to catch it and very low pressure to prevent damage/injury. charlie heathco wrote: > I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and > change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high > temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer > that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping > fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton > orings? Charlie H/ > > * > > > *


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    Time: 05:11:01 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    Maybe I can answer the question as it was asked - now that I read the entire passage. I changed mine over prior to filling them with fluid in the first place. All I did was blow a little compressed air in and it popped out right in my hand as I was holding the assembly together. It was a little messy with the assembly fliud - but manageable. HTH, Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie heathco To: rv-list Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: RV-List: brake drag I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton orings? Charlie H/


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    Time: 05:41:59 PM PST US
    From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Torque Wrench Extensions
    MAC tools has the best one fro this application. Mike Robertson > Date: Sun=2C 16 Aug 2009 11:43:55 -0700 > To: rv8-list@matronics.com=3B rv-list@matronics.com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extensions > > > > Well=2C now that I found my Hartzell installation manual (!)=2C there app ears to be a need for a "special" tool that I don't have. Because the bolts for the prop require and "end-wrench" of sorts to tighten=2C it presents s omewhat of a problem when trying to torque them. The manual shows an end-wr ench looking thing that has the 7/16" on one end and a 3/8" drive on the ot her end. I looked though the Craftsman and Snapon web sites=2C but didn't f ind anything like this. Where might I buy one? > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle > FWF > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009


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    Time: 07:50:28 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Large attachments
    John, I realize that at least where I'm sitting that it's America & everyone has the right to their own opinions & attitudes. I also realize that email is an imperfect communication medium & the writer's intent may be misinterpreted by the reader. Having said that, please allow me to let you know how your recent posts read to me, and apparently to quite a few other members. What I read in your posts is the attitude of, "I ate well well tonight, so there's no reason for anyone else in the world to be hungry, except by choice. And even if it's not by choice, X%X# them & the horse their momma rode in on." Now, even though that's how I read your posts, I'm going to assume that your heart is in the right place & you just have the problem of ignorance. (Your fault, of course, but since I'm such a nice guy I'll help you out anyway.) I live on a major 4 lane Federal highway 10 miles from a city of 300,000 and 4 miles from a small community that's had broadband for at least 5 years. Broadband 1st became available to me about 1 year ago. I spent years begging, pleading, talking to every supplier, including Cell tower providers, I could contact. No joy on any of them until last year. Here are some statistics. Until about 2 years ago, less than 50% of the addresses in the USA had access to broadband in any form except satellite. It's much better now; 70% of the country can now access broadband. (Listers in backwater places like Europe and Japan only have 90-99% coverage; poor guys...) I'm sure that the next thing you'll say is "Let 'em eat satellite." I researched it for years. I can afford it. Every customer I talked to had an experience that ranged from 'better than dialup, but not by much' to 'forget it; it's a waste of money', coupled with the fact that all the services have relatively low download caps, limiting the total megabytes of download per month (see current discussion). But more to the point: There are people on this list who's entire flying budget is not much more than the ~60-$80/month that satellite costs. "X%X# 'em," you say? My understanding of the reason lists like these exist is to help others, not public self-stroking. In all but very rare cases, image files larger than around 200k have no value when viewed on a computer monitor, keep those less privileged (by either finances or other circumstances beyond their control) from seeing them and pointlessly denying them the help we all are trying to offer, and pointlessly chews up internet bandwidth, ultimately costing all of us more for broadband access. Maybe we won't ever see eye to eye on this, but I'm hoping that there will be others that can understand & try to help instead of hinder the sharing of knowledge. Charlie (archive away; if the archive can handle pointless 3megabyte images, it can handle a 20k text email.) John Cox wrote: > > The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt. > Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value. As Kevin > mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and > rightfully chose to remain behind. I have yet to hear the compelling > reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical > report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each > image should be charged a fee for pixels. > > I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy. It was not > meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want > the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a > more leisure pace. Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster > that we desire. > > I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now > have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs. When shared, people go wow, > I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is > that one so poor. The extra $30 per month for the web service has been > priceless. I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the > thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900. I > wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart > scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up. Maybe then he > will find I don't have a heart. > > If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a > range of cheap technologies available. Sprint 4G for my laptop in > airports has been another boon. I still have my old Motorola BRICK > cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically. > > John > Do not Archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:28 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments > > > Very condescending John. It is also easy for a poster to reduce the > picture > size to one that is not problematic. > > Ron Lee > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> > To: <rv-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:43 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments > > > >> >> Robin, I looked back on my incoming and surmised it was Matt's leather >> seats post but you could be right. >> >> The issue is and will remain the desire of a few to hobble the use by >> the many of 21 century technology because they choose to remain >> > strapped > >> with late 20th century bandwidth. Choices abound. For some it's an >> issue of cost. They do not see the additional value. There are >> > several > >> services that provide satellite downlink using 20th century request >> telephone uplink technology. It can work as far north as Alaska and I >> live in a forest. >> >> I enjoy Matt's hosting and will continue to want to stay on the bus >> rather than stop frequently for a few. As you know I also love your >> photos. One service might be for members to use the 19th century >> telephone and read the posts so as not to jam up the tin cans and >> > string > >> which are clearly run too tight with their computers. ;-) >> >> Just checked my Comcast service and a 35Mb file takes 14 seconds. The >> service is half the cost of my twisted pair telephony. Just a >> contrarian perspective. >> >> Keep the information flowing. >> >> John >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:08 PM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >> I am sure it was a post from me. I sent 3 photos totaling 1.2 >> (one-point-two) Mb offing to sell an RV-8 Cowl at a significant >> discount. I assumed I was doing a service to some -8 builder on a >> > budget > >> (not a money making venture). I could have slimmed down the images >> > even > >> further but I wanted to make sure the prospective buyer was able to >> > see > >> detail. Sorry it's been about 16 years since I was dial up. >> >> Robin >> Do Not Archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry >> > Springer > >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:02 PM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Large attachments >> >> >> From who? I have not received any large files from anyone on the >> RV-list. Matt posted some pictures of his RV-8 seats. >> >> Beautiful seats Matt, only question is where does the kitchen sink go? >> ;-) >> >> Jerry >> do not archive


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    Time: 08:02:16 PM PST US
    From: Tailgummer@aol.com
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    >From Randy Lervold's site: Standard MS replacement O-rings areMS28775-218; 2-218V-75 are the Viton O-rings. Try Ace Seal: _http://www.aceseal.com_ (http://www.aceseal.com) . The High temp fluid is: . MIL-H-83282. Google Royco 782 or Aeroshell 31. John D In a message dated 8/16/2009 4:42:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cheathco@cox.net writes: I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton orings? Charlie H/ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution)


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    Time: 08:39:52 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    These were my vendors too! Thanks for the reminder.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tailgummer@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: brake drag From Randy Lervold's site: Standard MS replacement O-rings areMS28775-218; 2-218V-75 are the Viton O-rings. Try Ace Seal: http://www.aceseal.com. The High temp fluid is: . MIL-H-83282. Google Royco 782 or Aeroshell 31. John D In a message dated 8/16/2009 4:42:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cheathco@cox.net writes: I searched arcives and cant find specific procedure to pull the puck and change the o ring, other that a mention of using viton o-rings and high temp fluid. I also found my post of same question 3 yers ago, one answer that only said check free movment on pins. main concern is keeping fluitd from all running out and does spruce have the viton orings? Charlie H/ ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n


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    Time: 09:19:20 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Large attachments
    > > > My understanding of the reason lists like these exist is to help > others, not public self-stroking. In all but very rare cases, image > files larger than around 200k have no value when viewed on a computer > monitor, keep those less privileged (by either finances or other > circumstances beyond their control) from seeing them and pointlessly > denying them the help we all are trying to offer, and pointlessly > chews up internet bandwidth, ultimately costing all of us more for > broadband access. > > Maybe we won't ever see eye to eye on this, but I'm hoping that there > will be others that can understand & try to help instead of hinder the > sharing of knowledge. > The bandwidth argument is really a old one when bandwidth was a problem. How does it cost you more for broadband use? My neighbor has a Corvette, I really want him to drive a Volkswagen like I do, because I cannot afford a Corvette just not fair he can drive a much more expensive car. do not archive


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    Time: 09:19:20 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
    Subject: Off topics WAS: Large attachments, Check This Out, etc.
    > I live on a major 4 lane Federal highway 10 miles from a city of 300,000 > and 4 miles from a small community that's had broadband for at least 5 > years. Broadband 1st became available to me about 1 year ago. I spent > years begging, pleading, talking to every supplier, including Cell tower > providers, I could contact. No joy on any of them until last year. Here > are some statistics. Until about 2 years ago, less than 50% of the > addresses in the USA had access to broadband in any form except > satellite. It's much better now; 70% of the country can now access > broadband. (Listers in backwater places like Europe and Japan only have > 90-99% coverage; poor guys...) Hey, this opens up all sorts of new topics: the limitations of the capitalist economic model; whether and how government should intervene (e.g. rural electrification in the Depression); and whether the US should or should not become more like Europe and Asia. Or not. I myself would love to debate all that stuff, but not here. Guys and gals, I hardly look at VAF anymore for all the fluff on it. So far these Matronics lists have a very high tech to fluff ratio, can we keep it that way, thanks much. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA


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    Time: 09:33:56 PM PST US
    From: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
    Subject: IO-390 Governor Cable Routing...
    Hello Matt, That's certainly doable, but will be very intrusive if you use Van's FAB air box & filter assembly. There are several variations of the prop governor, FAB air box, and front baffle posted on Marc Ausmen's site... http://www.io-390.com/IO-390.com/Welcome.html Best regards, Bill Gill RV-7 N151WP Barrett IO-390 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: RV-List: IO-390 Governor Cable Routing... Hey, first I wanted to say thanks for the feedback on all my other questions! So I ran the Governor cable today and it came out pretty nice and seems to work well. The only thing that seems a little 'if-y' is how I had to route the cable over the top of the oil sump. Is this SOP or should the cable be isolated from the sump some how? I guess I could make a standoff bracket to hold it up off the sump, but do I really need to? The cable is currently resting on the sump. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle




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