RV-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/17/09


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:07 AM - brake drag (James H Nelson)
     2. 08:06 AM - brake drag (system maintenance note to Ralph) (MacDonald Doug)
     3. 08:39 AM - Re: brake drag (system maintenance note to Ralph) (Ralph E. Capen)
     4. 11:42 AM - Governor Control Throws... (Matt Dralle)
     5. 11:45 AM - Re: brake drag (charlie heathco)
     6. 01:56 PM - Re: Governor Control Throws... (Dale Ensing)
     7. 02:06 PM - brake drag (James H Nelson)
     8. 06:13 PM - Re: Vote for the September EAA "Sport Aviation" cover photo (RV6 Flyer)
     9. 07:07 PM - Re: brake drag (charlie heathco)
    10. 07:47 PM - Re: Governor Control Throws... (J. Mcculley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:07:30 AM PST US
    Subject: brake drag
    From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
    Charlie, I have a small industrial supply shop and I sell O-Rings. Needless to say, I installed my brakes with Viton. I also, used the high temp fluid. I feel more comfortable, if I get into a situation where I have to really get on the brakes, not have them over heat. I believe the O-Rings is a #243 but its been several years so a double check on the part number. The archives have the part number. I also put a small spring on the master cylinders to be sure that the system would fully retract when using the brakes. No drag with this system. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Find a Beauty School Locate beauty training in your area & request course info today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=F_ejhBEzr_e_MZbLgEi4ugAAJ1DOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAQAAAAFAAAAAHM7vT0AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEiEXAAAAAA=


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    Time: 08:06:54 AM PST US
    From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
    Subject: brake drag (system maintenance note to Ralph)
    Hey Ralph, can you please check the system time on your computer. All of your recent posts have a time stamp from 2004 on them and they get misfiled in my email program. Thanks Doug MacDonald NW Ontario, Canada RV-4 dreamer Do Not Archive --- On Wed, 10/27/04, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> wrote: > From: Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: brake drag > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Received: Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 10:31 PM > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/


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    Time: 08:39:02 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag (system maintenance note to Ralph)
    Thanks - I fixed it - I was rebuilding a server at the same time - shouldn't have been multitasking! -----Original Message----- >From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 17, 2009 11:05 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: brake drag (system maintenance note to Ralph) > > >Hey Ralph, can you please check the system time on your computer. All of your recent posts have a time stamp from 2004 on them and they get misfiled in my email program. > >Thanks > >Doug MacDonald >NW Ontario, Canada >RV-4 dreamer > >Do Not Archive > >--- On Wed, 10/27/04, Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> From: Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: RV-List: brake drag >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Received: Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 10:31 PM >> > > > __________________________________________________________________ >Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > >http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > >


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    Time: 11:42:37 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Governor Control Throws...
    Dear Listers, I've got the control cable going to the Governor working well and the routing under the engine nicely aligned so that it doesn't touch the sump. I've got a question regarding the control throw limits, though. Right now at HIGH RPM, the control on the Governor is hitting the stop as it should. No problem there. However, on full LOW RPM, I'm about 1/8" away from hitting the stop on the Governor. I've fiddled around with the available adjustments 'til I'm blue in the face and I just can't get that last little bit of LOW. Given the angle of the bracket, its kind of a pull backwards for the pushrod so its just never really going to work with the current bracket. My question is this: Does it really matter? When what the last time anyone actually had full LOW RPM setting? Thoughts? Thanks, Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle


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    Time: 11:45:36 AM PST US
    From: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    Jim. I found your post re the viton, was couple years ago t I hink, then when I went to write down the part #, I hit a wrong key and lost that post, could not find it again. That was Sunday. Seems you said something about pluging the line to keep fluid from running out, but How did you do that? Charlie. BTW, you have a couple extr viton ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 07:53 Subject: RV-List: brake drag Charlie, I have a small industrial supply shop and I sell O-Rings. Needless to say, I installed my brakes with Viton. I also, used the high temp fluid. I feel more comfortable, if I get into a situation where I have to really get on the brakes, not have them over heat. I believe the O-Rings is a #243 but its been several years so a double check on the part number. The archives have the part number. I also put a small spring on the master cylinders to be sure that the system would fully retract when using the brakes. No drag with this system. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Find a Beauty School Locate beauty training in your area & request course info today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=F_ejhBEzr_e_MZbLgEi4ugAAJ1DOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAQAAAAFAAAAAHM7vT0AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEiEXAAAAAA=


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    Time: 01:56:26 PM PST US
    From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Governor Control Throws...
    Matt, Max full low RPM shouldn't be an issue.Can't think of a time I have ever used it. But, have you tried using the inboard hole on the governor arm? Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RV-List: Governor Control Throws... > > Dear Listers, > > I've got the control cable going to the Governor working well and the > routing under the engine nicely aligned so that it doesn't touch the sump. > I've got a question regarding the control throw limits, though. Right now > at HIGH RPM, the control on the Governor is hitting the stop as it should. > No problem there. However, on full LOW RPM, I'm about 1/8" away from > hitting the stop on the Governor. I've fiddled around with the available > adjustments 'til I'm blue in the face and I just can't get that last > little bit of LOW. Given the angle of the bracket, its kind of a pull > backwards for the pushrod so its just never really going to work with the > current bracket. My question is this: Does it really matter? When what > the last time anyone actually had full LOW RPM setting? > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle >


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    Time: 02:06:04 PM PST US
    Subject: brake drag
    From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
    Hi Charlie, If your system has fluid in it, there is no way you can change the wheel puck O-Rings with out getting air into the system. (well there is one way) At this juncture, I would get a AN plug for that line size. That way when you loosen the line from the brake cyl, you can keep a large amount (actually a very small amount of fluid) from draining down and out of the system. I would then, remove the wheel CYL and replace the O-Rings. Then, replace the wheel cyl and fill the assy with fluid until it comes out of the fitting that attaches to the brake line. IF you are quick, and have someone inside that can apply pressure when you remove the AN plug, you could reconnect the line and not get any air into the system. Can be done. If you find any softness, then you need to bleed the system on the side that seems to be soft. I have found that using a large syringe filled with brake fluid and a small PVC hose from HD or Lows you can add fluid back into the system and run the bubbles out. Hint, when adding pressure when reattaching the brake CYL, do it with just enough pressure to force fluid out of the line as the AN fitting comes off. Quickly reattaching the line will get it done with out air. With all the air out of the wheel CYL, it should work fine. I always have a lot of paper towels on hand especially to cover the brake assy. from getting fluid on the disk etc. Just some thoughts that may help you. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Best eMarketing Solution Automate Your Online Marketing and Boost ROI. Download the Guide Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=E8fr_uTMLW7nLNnuc-Fv0QAAJ1DOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAUAAAAAAAAAAAisnD0yRXkW0eM6nONFWkjvXf_ZAAAAAA=


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    Time: 06:13:02 PM PST US
    From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Vote for the September EAA "Sport Aviation" cover photo
    Thanks everyone that voted. I hope your vote was for the winner. From: http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&b oardid=147&forumid=175&topicid=2732 "And the September cover will be...The RVs taxiing back in after their dazz ling formation flight demonstration.Thanks to all for voting and sharing yo ur thoughts. It was interesting to watch the forum discussion threads. Many of the same discussions took place here among EAA's Publications staff as we debated what the best cover might be to represent EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2009. We don't always agree either!In total=2C some 1=2C637 people viewed this post and more than 450 people clicked on the green thumbs up icon to o fficially vote. Thanks for participating in our little experiment. Maybe we 'll try this again another month. Mary Jones=2C EAA 224626 Interim Director of EAA Publications" Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C290+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA From: rv6_flyer@hotmail.com Subject: RV-List: Vote for the September EAA "Sport Aviation" cover photo If you are not an EAA member and registered for the Oshkosh365.org web site =2C you may need to create a FREE account after you become an EAA member. As of right now=2C "Falcon" leading the 37-Ship Formation on the Taxiway at AirVenture is in 2nd place to becoming the September 2009 "Sport Aviation" Cover photo. If you would like to see Falcon leading the 37-ship taxi as the cover of "S port Aviation"=2C go to the following web site and vote. http://www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid =147&fo\ rumid=175&topicid=2708 August 17 is the date that EAA will count the votes so please do not wait t oo long. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C281+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009


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    Time: 07:07:47 PM PST US
    From: "charlie heathco" <cheathco@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: brake drag
    Thanks Jim, the info has been very helpful, Ill have to get ahold of the viton, I will hae to go back and check, I beleive Ralph Capen emailed the viton part # yesterday. or someone if mem serves (desnt serve like it used to :-) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 15:55 Subject: RV-List: brake drag Hi Charlie, If your system has fluid in it, there is no way you can change the wheel puck O-Rings with out getting air into the system. (well there is one way) At this juncture, I would get a AN plug for that line size. That way when you loosen the line from the brake cyl, you can keep a large amount (actually a very small amount of fluid) from draining down and out of the system. I would then, remove the wheel CYL and replace the O-Rings. Then, replace the wheel cyl and fill the assy with fluid until it comes out of the fitting that attaches to the brake line. IF you are quick, and have someone inside that can apply pressure when you remove the AN plug, you could reconnect the line and not get any air into the system. Can be done. If you find any softness, then you need to bleed the system on the side that seems to be soft. I have found that using a large syringe filled with brake fluid and a small PVC hose from HD or Lows you can add fluid back into the system and run the bubbles out. Hint, when adding pressure when reattaching the brake CYL, do it with just enough pressure to force fluid out of the line as the AN fitting comes off. Quickly reattaching the line will get it done with out air. With all the air out of the wheel CYL, it should work fine. I always have a lot of paper towels on hand especially to cover the brake assy. from getting fluid on the disk etc. Just some thoughts that may help you. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Best eMarketing Solution Automate Your Online Marketing and Boost ROI. Download the Guide Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=E8fr_uTMLW7nLNnuc-Fv0QAAJ1DOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAUAAAAAAAAAAAisnD0yRXkW0eM6nONFWkjvXf_ZAAAAAA=


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    Time: 07:47:17 PM PST US
    From: "J. Mcculley" <mcculleyja@starpower.net>
    Subject: Re: Governor Control Throws...
    Matt, It appears in the pictures that you might be able to move the connection at the governor arm inboard to the hole closer to the governor shaft and thus gain more rotation angle for full travel from stop to stop of the governor. There is one situation when having full travel to max prop pitch can be important and is very useful if you lose engine power and need to extend your glide. The difference between high versus low pitch can be several hundred feet per minute less sink rate by pulling the prop control full aft if the engine is still windmilling. Normally, the engine oil pressure will be sufficient when windmilling to hold the prop in max pitch for this purpose. Jim McCulley ============================================================================================= Matt Dralle wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I've got the control cable going to the Governor working well and the routing under the engine nicely aligned so that it doesn't touch the sump. I've got a question regarding the control throw limits, though. Right now at HIGH RPM, the control on the Governor is hitting the stop as it should. No problem there. However, on full LOW RPM, I'm about 1/8" away from hitting the stop on the Governor. I've fiddled around with the available adjustments 'til I'm blue in the face and I just can't get that last little bit of LOW. Given the angle of the bracket, its kind of a pull backwards for the pushrod so its just never really going to work with the current bracket. My question is this: Does it really matter? When what the last time anyone actually had full LOW RPM setting? > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >




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