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1. 06:41 AM - Flying over water (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: Van's "homecoming" (David Cudney)
3. 08:47 AM - Re: Flying over water (GLAESER, DENNIS)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Randy Hooper)
5. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Flying over water (mr.gsun@gmail.com)
6. 11:15 AM - Re: Dynon D10A/EDC in and RV-9A - weird behaviour (mike@hotlinesinc.com)
7. 11:18 AM - Koger sun shade on Ebay (Hal Kempthorne)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Greg Young)
9. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Dynon D10A/EDC in and RV-9A - weird behaviour (Dave Saylor)
10. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Michael W Stewart)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Mike Robertson)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Flying overwater (GLAESER, DENNIS)
14. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Ralph E. Capen)
15. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Linn Walters)
16. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Kelly McMullen)
17. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Tim Olson)
18. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Greg Young)
19. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Flying over water (Kevin Horton)
20. 07:54 PM - recommended RV brake fluid (Brian Meyette)
21. 08:26 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Randy Difani)
22. 08:26 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Linn Walters)
23. 08:48 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Brian Meyette)
24. 08:48 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (passpat@aol.com)
25. 08:51 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Kelly McMullen)
26. 09:25 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Greg Young)
27. 10:35 PM - Re: recommended RV brake fluid (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Flying over water |
Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery - lots of
farms, rivers, and places to go.
I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and Delaware
bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear for my
trips across the bay's at least.
Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM with me
- and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could climb to
altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I would
really like to know the right way.....
Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and there'll be
some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
So...what are the rules?
And....what is everyone really doing?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 24.9 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Van's "homecoming" |
My wife and I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Independence ((7S5)
for the annual RV gathering. We plan to leave at 7:00 a.m. and will
monitor 122.75. Cheapest fuel seems to be either Colusa (O08) or
Lincoln Co ((KLHM), both listed at $3.99 on AvWEB currently.
Hope to see some of you there.
Dave and Loretta
RV 7A (110 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're free to do
whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each person, a raft (big
enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC - haven't reviewed
the regs lately)
I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over Lake Michigan
to OSH.
Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for the most part,
within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in contact with ATC or FSS
in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a boating store.
It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do whatever you can
to never need it. But the bottom line is that you are free to do whatever meets
your comfort level.
Dennis Glaeser
RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
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From: Ralph E. Capen
Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery - lots of
farms, rivers, and places to go.
I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and Delaware
bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear for my
trips across the bay's at least.
Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM with me
- and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could climb to
altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I would
really like to know the right way.....
Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and there'll be
some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
So...what are the rules?
And....what is everyone really doing?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 24.9 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
You might read FAR 91.509
Randy Hooper
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNIS <dennis.glaeser@hp.com>wrote:
>
> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're free
> to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each person, a
> raft (big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC -
> haven't reviewed the regs lately)
>
> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over Lake
> Michigan to OSH.
> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for the most
> part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in contact with ATC
> or FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>
> You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a
> boating store. It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do
> whatever you can to never need it. But the bottom line is that you are free
> to do whatever meets your comfort level.
>
> Dennis Glaeser
> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Ralph E. Capen
> Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery -
> lots of
> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>
> I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and
> Delaware
> bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>
> I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear for
> my
> trips across the bay's at least.
>
> Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM with
> me
> - and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
>
> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could
> climb to
> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I
> would
> really like to know the right way.....
>
> Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and
> there'll be
> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>
> So...what are the rules?
>
> And....what is everyone really doing?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> RV6A N822AR @ N06 24.9 hrs
>
>
--
Randy Hooper
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
Anyone have any idea of how to ditch a tailwheel RV with a tip up canopy?
Ideas? Survival gear could be a moot point if the ditching goes poorly. A
discussion came up and it was proposed to dip a wingtip in the water at the
last instant to avoid flipping on your back. The term "cartwheel" came to
mind.
do not archive
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Randy Hooper <krhooper@gmail.com> wrote:
> You might read FAR 91.509
>
> Randy Hooper
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNIS <dennis.glaeser@hp.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're free
>> to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
>> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each person, a
>> raft (big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC -
>> haven't reviewed the regs lately)
>>
>> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over Lake
>> Michigan to OSH.
>> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for the
>> most part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in contact with
>> ATC or FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
>> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>>
>> You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a
>> boating store. It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do
>> whatever you can to never need it. But the bottom line is that you are free
>> to do whatever meets your comfort level.
>>
>> Dennis Glaeser
>> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Ralph E. Capen
>> Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery -
>> lots of
>> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>>
>> I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and
>> Delaware
>> bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>> I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear
>> for my
>> trips across the bay's at least.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM
>> with me
>> - and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
>>
>> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could
>> climb to
>> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I
>> would
>> really like to know the right way.....
>>
>> Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and
>> there'll be
>> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>>
>> So...what are the rules?
>>
>> And....what is everyone really doing? owse, Chat, FAQ,
>> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target="_blank">http://ww
>> ==
>> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>
>
> --
> Randy Hooper
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A/EDC in and RV-9A - weird behaviour |
Beware of internal pitot leaks with Dynon D10A
I installed a Dynon 10A a couple years ago as a back up AI in a warbird.
A recent pitot static check uncovered a pitot leak that was pretty severe.
The leak was traced and verified as being internal to the Dynon D10A.
Disassembly of the unit revealed that the pitot connection to the solid state sensor
for airspeed was loose. The static port on the sensor also came loose during
disassembly.
This unit has under 10 hours of operation.
There is no way I would depend on this unit as a primary flight instrument
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259987#259987
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| Subject: | Koger sun shade on Ebay |
Item number 260467339246
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A/EDC in and RV-9A - weird behaviour |
We've seen that kind of thing, too. The latest was that our (backup) D-10A
just went blank on a training approach. Nice. I agree, not ready for
primetime. We have one flying and two in panels under construction. All
have been back to the factory at least once.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, mike@hotlinesinc.com <mike@hotlinesinc.com
> wrote:
> mike@hotlinesinc.com>
>
> Beware of internal pitot leaks with Dynon D10A
>
> I installed a Dynon 10A a couple years ago as a back up AI in a warbird.
> A recent pitot static check uncovered a pitot leak that was pretty severe.
> The leak was traced and verified as being internal to the Dynon D10A.
> Disassembly of the unit revealed that the pitot connection to the solid
> state sensor for airspeed was loose. The static port on the sensor also came
> loose during disassembly.
> This unit has under 10 hours of operation.
> There is no way I would depend on this unit as a primary flight instrument
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259987#259987
>
>
--
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
Here's what I got from another list response:
"I think the way it works for part 91 aircraft such as the RV's is that there are no specific rules. There are regulations regarding survival equipment (91.509 -[ http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=fa6bbc1247720f831fa68e0c062499c6&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10.6.7.5&idno=14 ]) and communication equipment (91.511 - [ http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=fa6bbc1247720f831fa68e0c062499c6&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10.6.7.6&idno=14 ]), but these regulations fall under Subpart F and apply only to large turbine-powered multi-engine aircraft and aircraft that are in a fractional ownership program."
Thanks to Dan Baier.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2009 12:45 PM
>To: RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>
>Why don't you just enlighten us?
>Regards,
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy Hooper <krhooper@gmail.com>
>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:10:28
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>
>
>You might read FAR 91.509
>
>Randy Hooper
>
>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNIS <dennis.glaeser@hp.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're free
>> to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
>> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each person, a
>> raft (big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC -
>> haven't reviewed the regs lately)
>>
>> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over Lake
>> Michigan to OSH.
>> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for the most
>> part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in contact with ATC
>> or FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
>> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>>
>> You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a
>> boating store. It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do
>> whatever you can to never need it. But the bottom line is that you are free
>> to do whatever meets your comfort level.
>>
>> Dennis Glaeser
>> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Ralph E. Capen
>> Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery -
>> lots of
>> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>>
>> I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and
>> Delaware
>> bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>> I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear for
>> my
>> trips across the bay's at least.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM with
>> me
>> - and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
>>
>> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could
>> climb to
>> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I
>> would
>> really like to know the right way.....
>>
>> Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and
>> there'll be
>> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>>
>> So...what are the rules?
>>
>> And....what is everyone really doing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>> RV6A N822AR @ N06 24.9 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Randy Hooper
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
While this reg is a good guideline for all to use it is only regulatory to
large and turbine powered airplanes=2C and fractional ownership program air
craft. Meaning it does not apply to RV's.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
From: mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
do not archive
Sec. 91.509
Survival equipment for overwater operations.
(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50
nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped wit
h a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the
airplane.
[(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section=2C no person may t
ake off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time
or 100 nautical miles from the nearest shore=2C whichever is less=2C unless
it has on board the following survival equipment:]
(1) A life preserver=2C equipped with an approved survivor locator light=2C
for each occupant of the airplane.
(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light
) of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airp
lane.
(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
(4) One self-buoyant=2C water-resistant=2C portable emergency radio signali
ng device that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency freq
uency or frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with Sec. 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
[(c) A fractional ownership program manager under subpart K of this part ma
y apply for a deviation from paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section
for a particular over water operation or the Administrator may amend the ma
nagement specifications to require the carriage of all or any specific item
s of the equipment listed in paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section.
(d) The required life rafts=2C life preservers=2C and signaling devices mus
t be installed in conspicuously marked locations and easily accessible in t
he event of a ditching without appreciable time for preparatory procedures.
(e) A survival kit=2C appropriately equipped for the route to be flown=2C m
ust be attached to each required life raft.
(f) As used in this section=2C the term shore means that area of the land a
djacent to the water that is above the high water mark and excludes land ar
eas that are intermittently under water.]
"Greg Young" ---08/27/2009 02:40:57 PM---Why don't you just enlighten us? R
egards=2C
From:
"Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
To:
"RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
Date:
08/27/2009 02:40 PM
Subject:
Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
Sent by:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
Why don't you just enlighten us?
From: Randy Hooper
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
You might read FAR 91.509
-
Randy Hooper
On Thu=2C Aug 27=2C 2009 at 10:31 AM=2C GLAESER=2C DENNI= S <dennis.gla
= eser@hp.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by= : "GLAESER=2C DENNIS" <= dennis.glaeser@
hp.com>
For Part 91 operations (non-commercial)=2C there are no rules. -You'=
=3Bre free to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help mysel= f :-)
Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each per= son
=2C a raft (big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC
= - haven't reviewed the regs lately)
I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie=2C and over L
= ake Michigan to OSH.
Whenever possible=2C I choose routes and altitudes th= at keep me=2C for
the most part=2C within gliding distance of shore=2C and I'= m always in
contact with ATC or FSS in some manner (IFR=2C flight following=2C = ...)
I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
You ca= n get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a b
oating sto= re. -It's basically like insurance=2C better to have it a
nd do whatever= you can to never need it. -But the bottom line is tha
t you are free to d= o whatever meets your comfort level.
Dennis Glaeser
RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
-----------------= ------------------------------------------------------
---------------------= -----
From: - Ralph E. Capen
Living and flying around the DelMarVa = peninsula provides great scenery
- lots of
farms=2C rivers=2C and places to go.
I'm concerned that there is a l= ot of water here - with the Chesapeake a
nd Delaware
bays nearby...and le= t's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
I'm thinking that I shoul= d be carrying some sort of water survival gear
for my
trips across the bay's at least.
Does anyone know what the speci= fic rules are? -I don't have my FAR/
AIM with me
- and I am still f= lying off my phase I hours.
The Cape May County airport (WWD) is wit= hin my 50nm circle and I could
climb to
altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I
= would
really like to know the right way.....
Eventually=2C I'll= be heading north to visit family in New England and t
here'll be
some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
<= br>So...what are the rules?
And....what is everyone really doing? owse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C
=3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target=3D"_blank">http:
//ww= =3D=3D=3D
http://forums.m= le=2C List Admin.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Flying overwater |
I knew I should have checked the regs before saying 'there are no rules' :-(
But,in my defense, those rules only apply to large and turbine powered multi-engine
aircraft when flying more than 50 NM min from shore.
They are a good idea for any size aircraft further than gliding distance from terra-firma.
Dennis
------------------------
From: Randy Hooper
You might read FAR 91.509
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
Thanks Mike.....
Meaning that I'm kinda back to the original no-real-rules statement.
I'm thinking a set of inflatable suspender-type with a light and whistle attached
(like I use while sailing) is a good start - I can wear that and still strap
in properly.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2009 3:10 PM
>To: rv list <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>
>
>While this reg is a good guideline for all to use it is only regulatory to large
and turbine powered airplanes, and fractional ownership program aircraft.
Meaning it does not apply to RV's.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>From: mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:42:23 -0400
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Sec. 91.509
>
>Survival equipment for overwater operations.
>
>(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical
miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life
preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
>[(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take off
an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100 nautical
miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board
the following survival equipment:]
>(1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for each
occupant of the airplane.
>(2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light) of
a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
>(3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
>(4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device
that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or frequencies
and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
>(5) A lifeline stored in accordance with Sec. 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
>[(c) A fractional ownership program manager under subpart K of this part may apply
for a deviation from paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section for a
particular over water operation or the Administrator may amend the management
specifications to require the carriage of all or any specific items of the equipment
listed in paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section.
>(d) The required life rafts, life preservers, and signaling devices must be installed
in conspicuously marked locations and easily accessible in the event of
a ditching without appreciable time for preparatory procedures.
>(e) A survival kit, appropriately equipped for the route to be flown, must be
attached to each required life raft.
>(f) As used in this section, the term shore means that area of the land adjacent
to the water that is above the high water mark and excludes land areas that
are intermittently under water.]
>
>
>"Greg Young" ---08/27/2009 02:40:57 PM---Why don't you just enlighten us? Regards,
>
>
>From:
>
>"Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
>
>To:
>
>"RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>
>
>Date:
>
>08/27/2009 02:40 PM
>
>
>Subject:
>
>Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>
>
>Sent by:
>
>owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>
>
>Why don't you just enlighten us?
>
>
>From: Randy Hooper
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:10:28 -0500
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>You might read FAR 91.509
>-
>Randy Hooper
>
>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNI= S <dennis.gla= eser@hp.com>
wrote:
>
>--> RV-List message posted by= : "GLAESER, DENNIS" <= dennis.glaeser@hp.com>
>
>For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. -You'= ;re free to
do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help mysel= f :-)
>Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each per= son, a raft
(big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC= - haven't reviewed
the regs lately)
>
>I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over L= ake Michigan
to OSH.
>Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes th= at keep me, for the most
part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'= m always in contact with ATC or
FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, = ...)
>I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>
>You ca= n get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a boating
sto= re. -It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do whatever=
you can to never need it. -But the bottom line is that you are free to d= o whatever
meets your comfort level.
>
>Dennis Glaeser
>RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>
>-----------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
>From: - Ralph E. Capen
>Living and flying around the DelMarVa = peninsula provides great scenery - lots
of
>farms, rivers, and places to go.
>
>I'm concerned that there is a l= ot of water here - with the Chesapeake and Delaware
>bays nearby...and le= t's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>
>I'm thinking that I shoul= d be carrying some sort of water survival gear for
my
>trips across the bay's at least.
>
>Does anyone know what the speci= fic rules are? -I don't have my FAR/AIM with
me
>- and I am still f= lying off my phase I hours.
>
>The Cape May County airport (WWD) is wit= hin my 50nm circle and I could climb
to
>altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I = would
>really like to know the right way.....
>
>Eventually, I'll= be heading north to visit family in New England and there'll
be
>some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
><= br>So...what are the rules?
>
>And....what is everyone really doing? owse, Chat, FAQ,
>="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target="_blank">http://ww= ==
>http://forums.m= le, List Admin.
>====
>
>
>--
>Randy Hooper
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>~,
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
The cartwheel worked for a grumman off the coast of Australia. Although
not a TW, the nose wheel makes a flip almost guaranteed. Video on
Youtube, I think.
Linn
mr.gsun@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone have any idea of how to ditch a tailwheel RV with a tip up
> canopy? Ideas? Survival gear could be a moot point if the ditching
> goes poorly. A discussion came up and it was proposed to dip a wingtip
> in the water at the last instant to avoid flipping on your back. The
> term "cartwheel" came to mind.
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
You might read the preamble to subpart F that 509 is in:
"91.501 (a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to
those prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation
of large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft of
U.S. registry that are operating under subpart K of this part in
operations not involving common carriage."
AFAIK, no RV has multiengine turbojet power, and none come close to the
gross wt limits of a large aircraft.
Randy Hooper wrote:
> You might read FAR 91.509
>
> Randy Hooper
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNIS <dennis.glaeser@hp.com
> <mailto:dennis.glaeser@hp.com>> wrote:
>
> <dennis.glaeser@hp.com <mailto:dennis.glaeser@hp.com>>
>
> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're
> free to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each
> person, a raft (big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal
> device (IIRC - haven't reviewed the regs lately)
>
> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and
> over Lake Michigan to OSH.
> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for
> the most part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in
> contact with ATC or FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>
> You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at
> a boating store. It's basically like insurance, better to have it
> and do whatever you can to never need it. But the bottom line is
> that you are free to do whatever meets your comfort level.
>
> Dennis Glaeser
> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Ralph E. Capen
> Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great
> scenery - lots of
> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>
> I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the
> Chesapeake and Delaware
> bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>
> I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival
> gear for my
> trips across the bay's at least.
>
> Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my
> FAR/AIM with me
> - and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
>
> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I
> could climb to
> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the
> bay...but I would
> really like to know the right way.....
>
> Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and
> there'll be
> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>
> So...what are the rules?
>
> And....what is everyone really doing?
> owse, Chat, FAQ,
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"
> target="_blank">http://ww==
> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
> ====
>
>
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>
>
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>
> --
> Randy Hooper
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
Yep, inflatable life vests would work great, and most come with
a whistle and streamer at least, and I think mine has a mirror
too.
For what it's worth, a life raft would be excellent, but if
you're one of those who's not inclined to spend the money
on a $1000 life raft and bring it along, there is another
option. A queen sized air bed could be blown up by mouth
if you were really way out there, while you're floating
using your life vest. Then that would suffice as better
than nothing. I say that kind of tongue-in-cheek because yeah,
it's cheesy and there are plenty of good things that make
auto-inflate rafts much nicer....but if I were in the
middle of the ocean with just a life vest, I'd be wishing
I had at least threw in the old air bed. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike.....
> Meaning that I'm kinda back to the original no-real-rules statement.
> I'm thinking a set of inflatable suspender-type with a light and whistle attached
(like I use while sailing) is a good start - I can wear that and still strap
in properly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Aug 27, 2009 3:10 PM
>> To: rv list <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>>
>>
>> While this reg is a good guideline for all to use it is only regulatory to large
and turbine powered airplanes, and fractional ownership program aircraft.
Meaning it does not apply to RV's.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Robertson
>>
>> Das Fed
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> From: mike.stewart@us.ibm.com
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:42:23 -0400
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> Sec. 91.509
>>
>> Survival equipment for overwater operations.
>>
>> (a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50
nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a
life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
>> [(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may take
off an airplane for flight over water more than 30 minutes flying time or 100
nautical miles from the nearest shore, whichever is less, unless it has on board
the following survival equipment:]
>> (1) A life preserver, equipped with an approved survivor locator light, for
each occupant of the airplane.
>> (2) Enough liferafts (each equipped with an approved survival locator light)
of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the airplane.
>> (3) At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each liferaft.
>> (4) One self-buoyant, water-resistant, portable emergency radio signaling device
that is capable of transmission on the appropriate emergency frequency or
frequencies and not dependent upon the airplane power supply.
>> (5) A lifeline stored in accordance with Sec. 25.1411(g) of this chapter.
>> [(c) A fractional ownership program manager under subpart K of this part may
apply for a deviation from paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section for
a particular over water operation or the Administrator may amend the management
specifications to require the carriage of all or any specific items of the equipment
listed in paragraphs (b)(2) through (5) of this section.
>> (d) The required life rafts, life preservers, and signaling devices must be
installed in conspicuously marked locations and easily accessible in the event
of a ditching without appreciable time for preparatory procedures.
>> (e) A survival kit, appropriately equipped for the route to be flown, must be
attached to each required life raft.
>> (f) As used in this section, the term shore means that area of the land adjacent
to the water that is above the high water mark and excludes land areas that
are intermittently under water.]
>>
>>
>> "Greg Young" ---08/27/2009 02:40:57 PM---Why don't you just enlighten us? Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>> "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>>
>>
>> To:
>>
>> "RV List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>
>>
>> Date:
>>
>> 08/27/2009 02:40 PM
>>
>>
>> Subject:
>>
>> Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>>
>>
>> Sent by:
>>
>> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you just enlighten us?
>>
>>
>> From: Randy Hooper
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:10:28 -0500
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>> You might read FAR 91.509
>> -
>> Randy Hooper
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNI= S <dennis.gla= eser@hp.com>
wrote:
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by= : "GLAESER, DENNIS" <= dennis.glaeser@hp.com>
>>
>> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. -You'= ;re free
to do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help mysel= f :-)
>> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each per= son, a raft
(big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC= - haven't
reviewed the regs lately)
>>
>> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over L= ake
Michigan to OSH.
>> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes th= at keep me, for the most
part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'= m always in contact with ATC
or FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, = ...)
>> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>>
>> You ca= n get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a boating
sto= re. -It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do whatever=
you can to never need it. -But the bottom line is that you are free to d= o
whatever meets your comfort level.
>>
>> Dennis Glaeser
>> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>>
>> -----------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
>> From: - Ralph E. Capen
>> Living and flying around the DelMarVa = peninsula provides great scenery - lots
of
>> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>>
>> I'm concerned that there is a l= ot of water here - with the Chesapeake and
Delaware
>> bays nearby...and le= t's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>> I'm thinking that I shoul= d be carrying some sort of water survival gear for
my
>> trips across the bay's at least.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the speci= fic rules are? -I don't have my FAR/AIM with
me
>> - and I am still f= lying off my phase I hours.
>>
>> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is wit= hin my 50nm circle and I could climb
to
>> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I =
would
>> really like to know the right way.....
>>
>> Eventually, I'll= be heading north to visit family in New England and there'll
be
>> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>> <= br>So...what are the rules?
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
I have been considering one of those suspender types for when I cut the
corner over Apalachicola Bay going to SnF. They are a Class III device.
Hoping they would be good if I ever wanted to fly to the Bahamas I asked
AOPA what was required and they said any Coast Guard approved device was OK.
I'm not sure what reg covers international over water but everyone acts like
there is one. Darn near anything other than a water ski belt is a Class III
or better so take your pick based on physical and mental comfort.
Regards,
Greg Young
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Ralph E. Capen
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:33 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Flying over water
>
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks Mike.....
> Meaning that I'm kinda back to the original no-real-rules statement.
> I'm thinking a set of inflatable suspender-type with a light
> and whistle attached (like I use while sailing) is a good
> start - I can wear that and still strap in properly.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over water |
You can't just take ever FAR at face value. You have to find the
applicability statement that applies to the regulation in question.
The applicability for FAR 91 Subpart F (91.501 to 91.535) is found in
91.501: "This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those
prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of
large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry ...".
91.509 is not applicable to RVs.
So - no rules.
If the water is warm enough so you could survive immersion for a few
hours, I would simply wear inflatable life jackets. If the water was
cold enough that you might not survive for a few hours, I would either
wear an immersion suit, or I would remain within gliding distance of
shore.
Transport Canada publication TP13822 "Survival in Cold Waters :
Staying Alive" is a good resource (10 MB pdf):
<http://www.tc.gc.ca/publications/EN/TP13822/PDF/HR/TP13822E.pdf>
The data in Figure 2 in Chapter 1 of TP 13822 suggests that if the
water is 65 deg F or warmer, that someone wearing a life jacket will
survive for many, many hours. The survival time starts to fall off
significantly if the water temperature is below 60 deg F.
This document presents data from many studies. The data from
laboratory studies, using cold water tanks, suggests longer survival
times that is found in studies using real bodies of water. If there
are no waves (as in a laboratory study), and the survivor keeps still,
rather than trying to swim, he might survive 3 hours if the water is
50 deg F. But, if there are waves, the survivor must keep the limbs
moving to keep the waves at his back. Moving the limbs causes more
heat to be lost, and eventually the muscles become non-responsive.
Then he may drown as he cannot prevent the body from turning to face
the waves.
Bottom line - if the water is colder than 60 deg F, a life jacket
alone probably isn't enough to guarantee survival, unless there is
enough water traffic that you would be rescued quickly.
--
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:10, Randy Hooper <krhooper@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You might read FAR 91.509
>
> Randy Hooper
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, GLAESER, DENNIS <dennis.glaeser@hp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For Part 91 operations (non-commercial), there are no rules. You're free to
do whatever 'floats your boat' (couldn't help myself :-)
>> Commercial operations are required to have life vests for each person, a raft
(big enough for everyone) and a pyrotechnic signal device (IIRC - haven't reviewed
the regs lately)
>>
>> I fly over water on trips from SE MI to Ohio over Lake Erie, and over Lake Michigan
to OSH.
>> Whenever possible, I choose routes and altitudes that keep me, for the most
part, within gliding distance of shore, and I'm always in contact with ATC or
FSS in some manner (IFR, flight following, ...)
>> I usually borrow life vests from a buddy who has a sea plane.
>>
>> You can get decent light weight life vests and signaling devices at a boating
store. It's basically like insurance, better to have it and do whatever you
can to never need it. But the bottom line is that you are free to do whatever
meets your comfort level.
>>
>> Dennis Glaeser
>> RV-7A N751DG @ 57D - 150 hrs
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Ralph E. Capen
>> Living and flying around the DelMarVa peninsula provides great scenery - lots
of
>> farms, rivers, and places to go.
>>
>> I'm concerned that there is a lot of water here - with the Chesapeake and Delaware
>> bays nearby...and let's not forget the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>> I'm thinking that I should be carrying some sort of water survival gear for
my
>> trips across the bay's at least.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the specific rules are? I don't have my FAR/AIM with me
>> - and I am still flying off my phase I hours.
>>
>> The Cape May County airport (WWD) is within my 50nm circle and I could climb
to
>> altitude to ensure a safe glide distance to either side of the bay...but I would
>> really like to know the right way.....
>>
>> Eventually, I'll be heading north to visit family in New England and there'll
be
>> some water to cross on the way there - regardless of the chosen route.
>>
>> So...what are the rules?
>>
>> And....what is everyone really doing?
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| Subject: | recommended RV brake fluid |
my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the manufacturer".
But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone know what fluids are
recommended for use with the standard Van's Cleveland disk brakes?
thanks,
brian
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| Subject: | Re: recommended RV brake fluid |
Mil H 5606 normally is used for brake fluid and you can find it here
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php. Recommend that you go
to the Cleveland website to be sure. Also, it's probably in your
Cleveland Brake instructions. Do not use automotive, it'll melt the
seals... Good luck and fly safe.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette
To: RV7A@yahoogroups.com ; rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: recommended RV brake fluid
my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the
manufacturer". But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone
know what fluids are recommended for use with the standard Van's
Cleveland disk brakes?
thanks,
brian
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| Subject: | Re: recommended RV brake fluid |
The most common is 5606 .... and there is a higher temp fluid out there too.
Linn
Brian Meyette wrote:
> my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
> instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the
> manufacturer". But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone
> know what fluids are recommended for use with the standard Van's
> Cleveland disk brakes?
> thanks,
> brian
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | recommended RV brake fluid |
Would you, or anyone, happen to know the Cleveland web site? I googled
"cleveland brakes" before sending the original message, but all I got was
sellers, not the mfg site. Or their phone number woudl work, too.
thanks,
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Difani
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: recommended RV brake fluid
Mil H 5606 normally is used for brake fluid and you can find it here
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php. Recommend that you go to
the Cleveland website to be sure. Also, it's probably in your Cleveland
Brake instructions. Do not use automotive, it'll melt the seals... Good
luck and fly safe.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette <mailto:bmeyette@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: recommended RV brake fluid
my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the manufacturer".
But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone know what fluids are
recommended for use with the standard Van's Cleveland disk brakes?
thanks,
brian
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| Subject: | Re: recommended RV brake fluid |
use 5606 brake and hdy fluid
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 10:52 pm
Subject: RV-List: recommended RV brake fluid
my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but instead
"use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the manufacturer".? But they
don't say what this fluid is.?? Does anyone know what fluids are recommended
for use with the standard Van's Cleveland disk brakes?
thanks,
brian
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| Subject: | Re: recommended RV brake fluid |
From the RV-10 list archives:
"A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires that
consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years
back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank.
Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample
and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass
strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being
prepped for custom paint.
VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit bone
stock.
Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have
found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is
routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of
alternatives."
Brian Meyette wrote:
> my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
> instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the
> manufacturer". But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone
> know what fluids are recommended for use with the standard Van's
> Cleveland disk brakes?
> thanks,
> brian
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | recommended RV brake fluid |
The company is actually Parker-Hannifin. Try
<http://www.parker.com/portal/site/PARKER/menuitem.14ecfc66e7a40c1af8500f199
420d1ca/?vgnextoid=43cb5242ade5c110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextfmt=defaul
t&Keyword=AIRCRAFT+WHEELS+%26+BRAKES&Wtky=AIRCRAFT+WHEELS+%26+BRAKES>
http://www.parker.com/portal/site/PARKER/menuitem.14ecfc66e7a40c1af8500f1994
20d1ca/?vgnextoid=43cb5242ade5c110VgnVCM10000032a71dacRCRD&vgnextfmt=default
&Keyword=AIRCRAFT+WHEELS+%26+BRAKES&Wtky=AIRCRAFT+WHEELS+%26+BRAKES
If that URL is broken go to www.parker.com and browse to Products/Aircraft
Wheels and Brakes. All kinds of info including manuals.
Regards,
Greg Young
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: recommended RV brake fluid
Would you, or anyone, happen to know the Cleveland web site? I googled
"cleveland brakes" before sending the original message, but all I got was
sellers, not the mfg site. Or their phone number woudl work, too.
thanks,
brian
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| Subject: | Re: recommended RV brake fluid |
IMO, don't bother with the crappy old 80 yr old MIL-H-5606 fluid. Get
Viton O-rings installed in your calipers and go with the updated (50 yr old)
higher performance fluid MIL-PRF-83282 developed after the military got tired
of putting out brake fires. Check the archives and get with the program.
A brake fire will ruin your day.
-N1GV
In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:56:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bmeyette@gmail.com writes:
my RV-7A construction manual says I must not use automotive brake, but
instead "use only the aircraft brake fluid recommended by the manufacturer".
But they don't say what this fluid is. Does anyone know what fluids are
recommended for use with the standard Van's Cleveland disk brakes?
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