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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Doug Gray)
2. 04:42 AM - It was a frickin joke!! (Dana Overall)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Another gone was Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Ed Anderson)
4. 05:53 AM - list losses (charlie heathco)
5. 06:45 AM - Silver Bullet steering link (Chris Brooks)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Another gone was Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Larry Mac Donald)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Solder, etc. Was: Loop problem (Linn Walters)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: It was a frickin joke!! (Charlie England)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: It was a frickin joke!! (John D.)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: It was a frickin joke!! (Ralph Finch)
11. 09:50 AM - Re: Another gone was Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Matt Dralle)
12. 10:11 AM - Re: Another gone was Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Colm O'Reilly)
13. 02:49 PM - Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Matt Redmond)
14. 03:24 PM - If it makes anybody feel better.... (Scott)
15. 06:53 PM - At long last, First Flight. (Tracy Crook)
16. 07:13 PM - transition training (scott bilinski)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: At long last, First Flight. (Larry Bowen)
18. 07:43 PM - Vetterman Exhaust Hangars (c172.58@juno.com)
19. 08:20 PM - Re: Vetterman Exhaust Hangars (Bobby Hester)
20. 08:54 PM - Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (Charlie England)
21. 09:17 PM - Re: Another gone was Loop problem --- the rest of the story. (John)
22. 11:52 PM - Hand propping a fuel injected 320 - possible? (Doug Gray)
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
I certainly hope not!
Take stock Jerry - don't drop off the 'list for the sake of some half
witted comments and language from someone so disrespectful as to post
without at least understanding the culture of the group.
There have been many who have come and gone in the time I have been
monitoring the rv-list (also around '97) mostly because they have not
appreciated the real value of what is on offer. Let them go their own
ways.
I have flirted with other discussion groups - many have been hijacked by
the low life fringe and died. I do hope the stalwarts will remain - I
intend to.
Best regards to all,
Doug Gray
Sydney, Australia
RV-6 wheel fairings....
On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 14:47 -0700, Jerry Springer wrote:
>
> Was going to post the email that Ralph thought fit to send to me in
> private email but thought better of it so as not to offend
> any woman or kids that might read this list.
> A lot of my old list friends are gone because of people like Ralph and
> RV6ator and their narrow minded opinions and filty worded text messages
> and no
> tolerance for people that think different than they do. Just to bad that
> people like Ralph are such cowards that they well not say in public
> what they feel must be said in private.
>
> Have not been on this list as long as some but have been here longer
> than most. Its not fun anymore and as the group
> of RV builders get larger seem the mentality of builders.....well never
> mind.
> See ya all later.
>
> Bye
>
> Jerry Springer
> first flight RV-6 July 14, 1989
> Second customer built RV-6 to take to the skies
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | It was a frickin joke!! |
Come on now gang=2C it was frickin joke....spelling errors...strong republi
can talking point in signature line "community organizer" of all places....
.go to school with your child on Tuesday.......
I thought it was was funny as hell....course that is with me so loaded up o
n pain killers I'm a menace to society at this moment:-)
Lighten up=2C take a breath and laugh at yourself every once and a while...
.or like I am doing....take a chill pill for goodness sake.
Dana Overall
Richmond=2C KY i39
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Subject: | Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Gee time flies when you're having fun. Ok Oct 1997 vice 1992. 1992 was
when I started building and I flew in 1998 so sure seemed like I was on the
list for most of the building time asking questions - but, the records
apparently indicate otherwise.
Thanks Larry
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Another gone was RV-List: Loop problem --- the rest of the
story.
Ed, Looks like since Oct, 1997:
http://bit.ly/2WarDq
And I've been on since July of the same year:
http://bit.ly/1lRacl
Ah, the memories...
Time flies!
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
wrote:
Sorry to see you go, Jerry. I've valued your viewpoint and input (even when
I didn't necessarily agree on occasional points) - But, having been on the
list since 1992 or so, I agree that many of the gentlemen who knew how to
civilly disagree have since departed the list. Now we have one less.
Good fortunate and fly safe.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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http://www.flyrotary.com/
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Loop problem --- the rest of the story.
Was going to post the email that Ralph thought fit to send to me in
private email but thought better of it so as not to offend
any woman or kids that might read this list.
A lot of my old list friends are gone because of people like Ralph and
RV6ator and their narrow minded opinions and filty worded text messages
and no
tolerance for people that think different than they do. Just to bad that
people like Ralph are such cowards that they well not say in public
what they feel must be said in private.
Have not been on this list as long as some but have been here longer
than most. Its not fun anymore and as the group
of RV builders get larger seem the mentality of builders.....well never
mind.
See ya all later.
Bye
Jerry Springer
first flight RV-6 July 14, 1989
Second customer built RV-6 to take to the skies
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Who would have thought aslking for advice on doing a loop would lead to
this? I used to be on the cherokee list and that guy who rips off the
flying comuity with his power flow exaust was often the target of some
flack, from me as well. no one dropped of because of it and should be
the same here. I would hate to think I didnt have this to turn to when I
need advice. I have sure gotten a lot of help. I usually use only the
digest, with is easy to skim thru and pick out what I need, but I can
tolorate some childish diatribe now and then, much easier when Im
relaxing at the computer with a jug of morphine :-) Charlie Heathco
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Subject: | Silver Bullet steering link |
Does anyone know if Dave Czachorowski aka Rivethead/Full Throttle Concepts
is still in business? I ordered the steering link just over 2 months ago th
ru his website. He hasn't responded to any of my Email=2C or voicemail inqu
iries. I'm having trouble getting the steering link or a refund.
Chris Brooks RV6
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Jerry,
I wish you would stay on the list.
I've been on the list since abiut 1903AD and you have been very
consistant and to the point. Be it RVs, FAA or aviation politics. Your
posts ,to me, have most often been insiteful and helpful. People like
RV6ator may just be having a bad day, or a triple low, but we usually
ignor them and they straighten up or go away. In this case he attacked
"Das Fed" and of course that is a no no. He will know better next time.
Stick around. You never know what will be said next.
Larry Mac Donald
Mgr. D-91
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:16:33 -0400 "Ed Anderson"
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com> writes:
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Sorry to see you go, Jerry. I've valued your viewpoint and input
> (even when
> I didn't necessarily agree on occasional points) - But, having been
> on the
> list since 1992 or so, I agree that many of the gentlemen who knew
> how to
> civilly disagree have since departed the list. Now we have one
> less.
>
> Good fortunate and fly safe.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
>
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>
> Matthews, NC
>
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
> http://www.andersonee.com
>
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>
> http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Springer
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Loop problem --- the rest of the story.
>
>
> Was going to post the email that Ralph thought fit to send to me in
>
> private email but thought better of it so as not to offend
> any woman or kids that might read this list.
> A lot of my old list friends are gone because of people like Ralph
> and
> RV6ator and their narrow minded opinions and filty worded text
> messages
> and no
> tolerance for people that think different than they do. Just to bad
> that
> people like Ralph are such cowards that they well not say in
> public
> what they feel must be said in private.
>
> Have not been on this list as long as some but have been here longer
>
> than most. Its not fun anymore and as the group
> of RV builders get larger seem the mentality of builders.....well
> never
> mind.
> See ya all later.
>
> ye
>
> Jerry Springer
> first flight RV-6 July 14, 1989
> Second customer built RV-6 to take to the skies
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Solder, etc. Was: Loop problem |
Hey Mike! I'm on the other end .... I'm pretty good at the spelling
thingy. <GR>
I have lots of friends that can't spell ..... and for me it gives me a
chuckle. Some of them are a whole lot smarter than I am .... they just
can't spell. They do a fine job of getting their point across though.
So, you can't spell. So what??? You got to go fly yesterday .... and
I didn't. That means you had a much better day than I did and I'm jealous.
Linn
do not archive.
Mike Divan wrote:
> Wow who knew my bad spelling would be so entertaining :)
>
> On the flying side I had a great flight in my RV today. Someone needed a
> lift from Fallbrook (L18) to Camerrio (KCMA) and without a doubt I
> spelled it wrong. So I took off from KCCB for a nice flight to L18
> picked him up and headed over to the coast. A real nice and SMOOTH
> flight at 2500 all the way up the coast to just north of Long Beach
> where we headed inland to go the class Brovo on the Mini Rout (Probabily
> spelled that wrong also) and on up to KCMA. A BEAUTIFUL flight and all
> the So Cal Controllers were great. After a ok landing at KCMA I hade a
> wonderful tri tip sammy then back in the air for the trip back to KCCB.
> I skerted the southern edge of the TFR for the "Station" fire and
> boy-o-boy did it get close to some of the houses in my former first in
> area WOW. A nice landing at KCCB stoped to talk to some of the RV dudes
> and finished up finding a buyer for my ole turn and bank - how cool it that!
>
> All in all a wonderful day of flying.
>
> I LOVE MY RV6! and I aint going to use spell check ;)
>
> Mike Divan
> N64GH - RV6 (flying)
> http://n64gh.blogspot.com/
> FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!
> Remember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard that
> guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"!
>
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Subject: | Re: It was a frickin joke!! |
Dana Overall wrote:
> Come on now gang, it was frickin joke....spelling errors...strong
> republican talking point in signature line "community organizer" of
> all places.....go to school with your child on Tuesday.......
>
> I thought it was was funny as hell....course that is with me so loaded
> up on pain killers I'm a menace to society at this moment:-)
>
> Lighten up, take a breath and laugh at yourself every once and a
> while....or like I am doing....take a chill pill for goodness sake.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> do not archive
It was so hilarious to me that I read it to my wife. She agreed, &
neither of us are doing pain killers.
To me, the success of lists like this (and any other discussion) depends
on the participants trying not to make it personal and *never* take
anything personally.
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: It was a frickin joke!! |
It seems to me this list needs a topic of discussion that is more closely
related to the construction of aircraft. Politics and aviation law simply do
not fill that description. Semantics, spelling, and grammar don't either.
Communication is the key word here, and about aircraft.
It appears everyone has solved the nose wheel vibration problem so many
have encountered. How about whether or not to screw on or glue on the
canopy? How and why do you balance wheel pants? Also, the many problems that
are encountered by builders and will never ask because of the atmosphere
found on this list? Many of the solutions for those problems would make your
own aircraft safer or just more enjoyable to fly. Many slightly off topic
discussions make the list more enjoyable but this on going CNN versus FOX
News debate simply is getting everyone, nowhere.
Let's talk about why your nose wheel or tail wheel vibrates, why your tires
ware out too soon because of wheel alignment. Why your boarding step cracks,
and on and on.
Do not archive
John D.
>
>
>
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Subject: | It was a frickin joke!! |
> To me, the success of lists like this (and any other discussion) depends
> on the participants trying not to make it personal and *never* take
> anything personally.
> Charlie
Amen, and amen.
Now, can we get back to aeroplanes? Please?
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
RV-9A QB-SA
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Yeah, hey Jerry, you're gonna hurt my feelings if you leave the List! You're one
of the few Listers from nearly the beginning. I would consider it a personal
favor if you stuck around and continued to provide us with your sage advise:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_sage_advice_mean
I want you to stay too...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
At 06:32 AM 9/6/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Jerry,
> I wish you would stay on the list.
>I've been on the list since abiut 1903AD and you have been very
>consistant and to the point. Be it RVs, FAA or aviation politics. Your
>posts ,to me, have most often been insiteful and helpful. People like
>RV6ator may just be having a bad day, or a triple low, but we usually
>ignor them and they straighten up or go away. In this case he attacked
>"Das Fed" and of course that is a no no. He will know better next time.
>Stick around. You never know what will be said next.
> Larry Mac Donald
> Mgr. D-91
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
As a relative newcomer, I too would really appreciate it if you could
stay Jerry.
On Sep 6, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Yeah, hey Jerry, you're gonna hurt my feelings if you leave the
> List! You're one of the few Listers from nearly the beginning. I
> would consider it a personal favor if you stuck around and continued
> to provide us with your sage advise:
>
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_sage_advice_mean
>
> I want you to stay too...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
>
>
> At 06:32 AM 9/6/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>> Jerry,
>> I wish you would stay on the list.
>> I've been on the list since abiut 1903AD and you have been very
>> consistant and to the point. Be it RVs, FAA or aviation politics.
>> Your
>> posts ,to me, have most often been insiteful and helpful. People like
>> RV6ator may just be having a bad day, or a triple low, but we usually
>> ignor them and they straighten up or go away. In this case he
>> attacked
>> "Das Fed" and of course that is a no no. He will know better next
>> time.
>> Stick around. You never know what will be said next.
>> Larry Mac Donald
>> Mgr. D-91
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Please take no offense, boys, because I'm as up for a political
argument/discussion as anyone, being the proud right-wing wackjob that I
am... but...
I think Doug Reeves has the right idea when it comes to his board, and that
is: can we please leave the political discussions somewhere else?
Seriously, I might think you're a complete communist pinko idiot, but that
doesn't mean I can't learn something RV-related from you - or vice-versa
(unlikely) - and I'd hate to see otherwise friendly relationships crapped up
because of this sh!t. ...or maybe I'm being a pollyanna (but at least I've
got my AR-15(s)).
Matt
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Subject: | If it makes anybody feel better.... |
I flew for 1.7 hours today and that makes 7.2 since LAST Sunday. The RV
isn't done yet, but the Corben isn't jealous! ;)
We've had FABULOUS weather up here in Wisconsin for at least the last 10
days and a few more expected. I can't remember EVER having this many
supreme days in a row!!! Makes it hard to build ;)
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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Subject: | At long last, First Flight. |
Today there was nothing left to do on the Mazda 20B powered RV-8 but flight
test it.
For those of you not familiar with the rotary engine, The 20B is a 3 rotor
version of the 13B which powered the Mazda RX-7. The 20B makes about 300 HP
in normally aspirated form. (it was turbocharged in the Japanese car it
came from (never sold in the US). I've been flying an RV-4 with the Mazda
13B two rotor engine for 15 years, 1850 hrs. TT.
Very hot day (93 F and high humidity) but ground tests of the cooling
system had gone so well that I was confident of cooling in flight.
Installed the radio and transponder in the panel (which for some reason I
had neglected to do until this morning) and they both worked with no
problems, which is always a surprise.
High speed taxi tests had already been completed and the P-factor was no
worse than the RV-4, in fact I think it has less. This may be premature
because I haven't done a full throttle takeoff yet. The RV-8 has 1.25
degrees right offset which I think helps a lot. The RV-4 has no offset.
First flight was done without wheel pants or main gear intersection
fairings.
Just to make sure there were no surprises, takeoff was done at the same fuel
flow as the RV-4 at WOT. I didn't note the manifold pressure but the
throttle quadrant was barely over 1/2 throttle. Ground run on the -8 feels
more stable than the -4 with considerably more rudder authority (it's
physically bigger so no surprise). The plane broke ground at about the
same point as the -4 but it feels like it levitates off rather than rotates
off. Probably due to the higher wing incidence on the ground than the -4
with the short gear legs but also due to the longer wing. I had extended
both wings by about 18" so the wing loading and span loading are less than
on the -4. It has about 13% more wing area than stock. This was actually
the second time the -8 had air under the tires since it had floated off
ground about a foot once before during a high speed taxi test.
Airspeed was increasing rapidly after lift off but the ASI was not matching
the visual ques. Normally I expect to see 120 mph at the end of the runway
(2700 ft) but ASI shows only 80. Too late to abort but the airplane is
climbing & sounding very nice. I had been doing a lot of seat-of-the pants
takeoff and simulated dead stick landings (in the -4) in anticipation of
today's tests so I would feel comfortable in the event of partial or
complete panel failure (Blue Mountain EFIS1 with only a standard ASI for
backup). Climb to 1000 feet felt effortless even after throttling back to 8
GPH. I notice that I'm hunting for information and not absorbing much due
to the very different instrument panel. Remembering that the EFIS1 has the
primary ASI in a speed ribbon format, I hunt for it and see 0 MPH when I
finally find it. The EM2 (an RWS engine monitor with backup ASI, VSI &
Altitude) shows the same airspeed as the Van's steam gauge, now about 100
MPH. First squawk of the flight and this means I will do the first landing
sans airspeed indicator. I can't seem to locate the GPS ground speed on the
display either. Glad I did all that practice.
Time to settle in and start evaluating engine performance. I had taken off
with the engine fairly warm so I was not surprised to see oil & water temps
nearing 190 F after climbout. I continue collecting data hoping the temps
will start coming down but it is soon apparent that they are stabilizing at
about 200 on both oil and coolant. Very disappointing, since they had been
well below this on the ground when at the same fuel flow I was currently
flying at (I had backed it down to 5.75 gph by this time).
The plane itself is flying beautifully. The aileron trim is able to trim
out a very slight left wing heavy tendency and the ship feels like it is
gliding through the air effortlessly. Again, no surprise, the plane feels
just like an RV (Magnificent!). At this speed (guessing about 135 mph) the
roll response is only slightly slower than the -4. The ailerons were
extended with the wing so the RV feel has been preserved. I've completed a
wide circuit of the pattern and in position to make an approach so I
throttle back and I can immediately tell that the glide ratio is
significantly higher than the -4. The longer wing is having more effect
than I thought it would even with the heavier engine. This -8 with a 20B
ended up weighing about 70 pounds more than the average one equipped with an
0 - 360 and fixed pitch prop and about the same as one equipped with an IO -
360 with constant speed prop. Empty weight (but with oil) is 1150 lbs. All
the attention to weight control has paid off. I throttle up for a go around
and the FBW throttle responds well, no detectable throttle lag at all.
The higher than expected oil and water temps are distracting me from data
gathering (Rats, I haven't had time to replace the EM2 with a data logging
EM3 yet) so I make a few more circuits of the field and setup for an
approach. I crank in more flaps early to kill off the airspeed and excess
glide ratio and intentionally do not look at the ASI to avoid being
confused. Wheel landing touchdown is perfect and now I glance at the ASI
and see 40 MPH. Obviously wrong.
All in all, a great first flight. The RV-8 is going to be exactly the
airplane I was hoping for. Still a lot of testing and tweaking to do.
Tracy Crook
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Subject: | transition training |
Fried of mine needs transition training in town, please contact me.
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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Subject: | Re: At long last, First Flight. |
Congrats Tracy!
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http://BowenAero.com
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>wrote:
> Today there was nothing left to do on the Mazda 20B powered RV-8 but
> flight test it.
>
> For those of you not familiar with the rotary engine, The 20B is a 3
> rotor version of the 13B which powered the Mazda RX-7. The 20B makes about
> 300 HP in normally aspirated form. (it was turbocharged in the Japanese car
> it came from (never sold in the US). I've been flying an RV-4 with the
> Mazda 13B two rotor engine for 15 years, 1850 hrs. TT.
>
> Very hot day (93 F and high humidity) but ground tests of the cooling
> system had gone so well that I was confident of cooling in flight.
> Installed the radio and transponder in the panel (which for some reason I
> had neglected to do until this morning) and they both worked with no
> problems, which is always a surprise.
>
> High speed taxi tests had already been completed and the P-factor was no
> worse than the RV-4, in fact I think it has less. This may be premature
> because I haven't done a full throttle takeoff yet. The RV-8 has 1.25
> degrees right offset which I think helps a lot. The RV-4 has no offset.
> First flight was done without wheel pants or main gear intersection
> fairings.
>
> Just to make sure there were no surprises, takeoff was done at the same
> fuel flow as the RV-4 at WOT. I didn't note the manifold pressure but the
> throttle quadrant was barely over 1/2 throttle. Ground run on the -8 feels
> more stable than the -4 with considerably more rudder authority (it's
> physically bigger so no surprise). The plane broke ground at about the
> same point as the -4 but it feels like it levitates off rather than rotates
> off. Probably due to the higher wing incidence on the ground than the -4
> with the short gear legs but also due to the longer wing. I had extended
> both wings by about 18" so the wing loading and span loading are less than
> on the -4. It has about 13% more wing area than stock. This was actually
> the second time the -8 had air under the tires since it had floated off
> ground about a foot once before during a high speed taxi test.
>
> Airspeed was increasing rapidly after lift off but the ASI was not matching
> the visual ques. Normally I expect to see 120 mph at the end of the runway
> (2700 ft) but ASI shows only 80. Too late to abort but the airplane is
> climbing & sounding very nice. I had been doing a lot of seat-of-the pants
> takeoff and simulated dead stick landings (in the -4) in anticipation of
> today's tests so I would feel comfortable in the event of partial or
> complete panel failure (Blue Mountain EFIS1 with only a standard ASI for
> backup). Climb to 1000 feet felt effortless even after throttling back to 8
> GPH. I notice that I'm hunting for information and not absorbing much due
> to the very different instrument panel. Remembering that the EFIS1 has the
> primary ASI in a speed ribbon format, I hunt for it and see 0 MPH when I
> finally find it. The EM2 (an RWS engine monitor with backup ASI, VSI &
> Altitude) shows the same airspeed as the Van's steam gauge, now about 100
> MPH. First squawk of the flight and this means I will do the first landing
> sans airspeed indicator. I can't seem to locate the GPS ground speed on the
> display either. Glad I did all that practice.
>
> Time to settle in and start evaluating engine performance. I had taken off
> with the engine fairly warm so I was not surprised to see oil & water temps
> nearing 190 F after climbout. I continue collecting data hoping the temps
> will start coming down but it is soon apparent that they are stabilizing at
> about 200 on both oil and coolant. Very disappointing, since they had been
> well below this on the ground when at the same fuel flow I was currently
> flying at (I had backed it down to 5.75 gph by this time).
>
> The plane itself is flying beautifully. The aileron trim is able to trim
> out a very slight left wing heavy tendency and the ship feels like it is
> gliding through the air effortlessly. Again, no surprise, the plane feels
> just like an RV (Magnificent!). At this speed (guessing about 135 mph) the
> roll response is only slightly slower than the -4. The ailerons were
> extended with the wing so the RV feel has been preserved. I've completed a
> wide circuit of the pattern and in position to make an approach so I
> throttle back and I can immediately tell that the glide ratio is
> significantly higher than the -4. The longer wing is having more effect
> than I thought it would even with the heavier engine. This -8 with a 20B
> ended up weighing about 70 pounds more than the average one equipped with an
> 0 - 360 and fixed pitch prop and about the same as one equipped with an IO -
> 360 with constant speed prop. Empty weight (but with oil) is 1150 lbs. All
> the attention to weight control has paid off. I throttle up for a go around
> and the FBW throttle responds well, no detectable throttle lag at all.
>
> The higher than expected oil and water temps are distracting me from data
> gathering (Rats, I haven't had time to replace the EM2 with a data logging
> EM3 yet) so I make a few more circuits of the field and setup for an
> approach. I crank in more flaps early to kill off the airspeed and excess
> glide ratio and intentionally do not look at the ASI to avoid being
> confused. Wheel landing touchdown is perfect and now I glance at the ASI
> and see 40 MPH. Obviously wrong.
>
> All in all, a great first flight. The RV-8 is going to be exactly the
> airplane I was hoping for. Still a lot of testing and tweaking to do.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Vetterman Exhaust Hangars |
Does any one have some photos of how the Vetterman exhaust hangars fit o
n a RV-7 IO-360 standard 4-pipe installation? The instructions seem to
indicate that you can either attach the hangars to the rear of the sump
or to the engine mount. It sounds like you're supposed to keep the clam
ps on the exhaust as far aft as possible. If you do that, it doesn't ap
per that the hangar rods are long enough if you want to hook them to the
sump? What have othesr done here?
Thanks for any help.
RV-7 963P FWF
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Subject: | Re: Vetterman Exhaust Hangars |
Do not attach them to the engine mount. They need to be attached to the
engine, the exhaust has to move with the engine, I don't have pictures
available but I'm sure someone does.
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Check out the latest on my website at:
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c172.58@juno.com wrote:
>
> Does any one have some photos of how the Vetterman exhaust hangars fit
> on a RV-7 IO-360 standard 4-pipe installation? The instructions seem
> to indicate that you can either attach the hangars to the rear of the
> sump or to the engine mount. It sounds like you're supposed to keep
> the clamps on the exhaust as far aft as possible. If you do that, it
> doesn't apper that the hangar rods are long enough if you want to hook
> them to the sump? What have othesr done here?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> RV-7 963P FWF
>
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Subject: | Re: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Matt Redmond wrote:
> Please take no offense, boys, because I'm as up for a political
> argument/discussion as anyone, being the proud right-wing wackjob that
> I am... but...
>
> I think Doug Reeves has the right idea when it comes to his board, and
> that is: can we please leave the political discussions somewhere
> else? Seriously, I might think you're a complete communist pinko
> idiot, but that doesn't mean I can't learn something RV-related from
> you - or vice-versa (unlikely) - and I'd hate to see otherwise
> friendly relationships crapped up because of this sh!t. ...or maybe
> I'm being a pollyanna (but at least I've got my AR-15(s)).
>
> Matt
Having cyber-lived in both worlds (Matt's & Doug's), I strongly prefer
Matt's.
Doug's VAF limits discussions to RV's *only* when the non-RV (read that
'political') posts disagree with the so-called moderators' opinions.
That forum is highly censored, and with very obvious political bias.
I've personally pointed out the biased censorship in direct emails to
Doug on numerous occasions. The 1st time, he responded & said that if
there were non-RV comments being allowed, he was unaware of them & would
personally correct them, and to please report any in the future.
Repeated followup emails to Doug reporting new occurrences have
resulted in zero responses. The biased censorship continues. You can
often see a biased post that leans one way (allowed) followed by a
contrary response. Within hours (or minutes), the contrary post
disappears. The original will remain. Only Doug and his censors know how
many posts bearing contrary opinions never even make it to the public
forum. If we were talking about government, it would be downright
Orwellian.
In my not so humble opinion, suppression of alternate political
viewpoints is a very ugly thing, & contrary to the spirit at the heart
of this country's greatness.
I'd like to believe that we can not only learn about RV's from someone
with a different political viewpoint, but that we can learn about
alternative political views, as well.
Charlie
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Subject: | Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
Jerry, Please don't leave.
I too have been on the list since 1996. I visited Jerry in 1998 and was
privileged to have a ride and get to fly his plane.
You won't find a nicer person.
There will always be some jerk on this list bad mouthing another.
Just the way the world is. Most of us ignore these folks.
I've always enjoyed Jerry's comments and keen insight into our problems.
Please stay with us Jerry
John Danielson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colm O'Reilly
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Another gone was RV-List: Loop problem --- the rest of the
story.
As a relative newcomer, I too would really appreciate it if you could
stay Jerry.
On Sep 6, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Yeah, hey Jerry, you're gonna hurt my feelings if you leave the
> List! You're one of the few Listers from nearly the beginning. I
> would consider it a personal favor if you stuck around and continued
> to provide us with your sage advise:
>
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_sage_advice_mean
>
> I want you to stay too...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mykitlog.com/dralle
>
>
> At 06:32 AM 9/6/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>> Jerry,
>> I wish you would stay on the list.
>> I've been on the list since abiut 1903AD and you have been very
>> consistant and to the point. Be it RVs, FAA or aviation politics.
>> Your
>> posts ,to me, have most often been insiteful and helpful. People like
>> RV6ator may just be having a bad day, or a triple low, but we usually
>> ignor them and they straighten up or go away. In this case he
>> attacked
>> "Das Fed" and of course that is a no no. He will know better next
>> time.
>> Stick around. You never know what will be said next.
>> Larry Mac Donald
>> Mgr. D-91
>
>
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Subject: | Hand propping a fuel injected 320 - possible? |
Folks,
I am considering converting my O-320 to an IO-320 with the Precision
system and had a thought about hand starting - perhaps it is not
possible to swing the prop for a start like one can with a carby.
I expect the most likely reason to swing the prop is a flat battery - in
which case priming would not be possible so my gut feeling is that it
would be next to impossible to make an engine start under these
circumstances.
Any advice?
We have many very isolated airfields in this country and being stranded
can be a major risk.
Doug Gray
Sydney,
Australia
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