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1. 05:16 AM - Re: O-320 Overheating on Climb Out (camdaddy)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Loop problem (camdaddy)
3. 04:13 PM - Gear lef fairing scribe lines (bcollinsmn)
4. 05:15 PM - Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines (peter laurence)
5. 05:47 PM - Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines (rv6n@optonline.net)
6. 05:47 PM - Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines (Bob Collins)
7. 06:20 PM - Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines (Bret Smith)
8. 06:47 PM - Jefferson City MO fly-in (David Schaefer)
9. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Loop problem (charlie heathco)
10. 06:50 PM - Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines (peter laurence)
11. 07:49 PM - Re: Loop problem (camdaddy)
12. 08:08 PM - Re: Gear leg fairing scribe lines (Bob Collins)
13. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Loop problem (charlie heathco)
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| Subject: | Re: O-320 Overheating on Climb Out |
I've got a Lycoming manual that states 460 is the absolute hottest CHTs should
ever be. I've had the same high temps on my 0-320 E2D #3 during hard climbs.
Never higher than 435, but I like to keep it below 400 and can easily do that
in cruise or by step climbing carefully.
Dave Anders has done extensive work regarding this. One of the main issues here
is the inside-the-cowl downstream air flow. I have my heater muff and scat
tubing blocking clean exit flow out of the cowl. I will soon clean this up and
expect good results from that.
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| Subject: | Re: Loop problem |
Hey, Charlie. I wonder how your loops have been progressing?
When I got my first acro training in an Extra 300L, the military instructors drilled
into me to get a feel in my butt for 3 and 4 Gs. In a couple days I knew
what they meant and could sense when I was loading the plane to those levels.
In my RV that feeling was a little different and I had to re-learn what 3Gs and
4Gs felt like. Now, that along with a sense for the elapsed time I'm taking
to get to the top lets me know how the loop will look.
I also placed a piece of pinstripe tape on the inside of my canopy at eye level
on my left to act as my horizon marker. It's not as good as a wingtip sighting
device, but it's a good low-tech solution that's better than nothing. Once
I lose sight of the horizon up front, I turn my head left to watch my wing.
The tape will tell me when I'm nearing the top and it's time to look "up" and
unload the plane.
One other thing I did that helped me... I did a bunch of Split- Ss. I would slow
the plane to just above stall speed, roll it over, and pull a Split-S. This
gave me a good feel for how my loops would finish.
-Cam
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| Subject: | Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of the rudder, pictures here - http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html) to cure, I figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is coming and fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so well in an unheated hangar.
As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It references cutting out
the template and using the molded scribe line to locate it on the fairing.
For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear leg fairings that
looks like a scribe line.
What's the secret here?
Bob Collins
RV-7A
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St. Paul, Minn.
RV-7A - Running wires
http://rvbuildershotline.com
Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
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| Subject: | Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
Bob,
I just did the gear led fairings for a friend's RV7A.No scribe lines that I
could see!
Peter Laurence
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM, bcollinsmn <bob@rvbuildershotline.com>wrote:
>
> Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of the
> rudder, pictures here -
> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html) to cure, I figured
> I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is coming and fiberglass
> epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so well in an unheated hangar.
>
> As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It references
> cutting out the template and using the molded scribe line to locate it on
> the fairing.
>
> For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear leg
> fairings that looks like a scribe line.
>
> What's the secret here?
>
> Bob Collins
> RV-7A
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV-7A - Running wires
> http://rvbuildershotline.com
> Day job:
> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
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| Subject: | Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
>From what I remember when I did this, the scribe lines were nearly invisible.
They were there but very fine and almost impossible to see.
Bob Bales
RV6
N954RB
----- Original Message -----
From: bcollinsmn
Subject: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
>
> Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of
> the rudder, pictures here -
> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html) to cure,
> I figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is
> coming and fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so
> well in an unheated hangar.
>
> As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It
> references cutting out the template and using the molded scribe
> line to locate it on the fairing.
>
> For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear
> leg fairings that looks like a scribe line.
>
> What's the secret here?
>
> Bob Collins
> RV-7A
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV-7A - Running wires
> http://rvbuildershotline.com
> Day job:
> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263879#263879
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| Subject: | Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
Did you use the templates on DWG C3 ( I think it was C3, might've been
C2).
Apparently you line it up with a scribe line, find the line for your
model,
and use that to trim.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter laurence
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
Bob,
I just did the gear led fairings for a friend's RV7A.No scribe lines
that I
could see!
Peter Laurence
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM, bcollinsmn <bob@rvbuildershotline.com>
wrote:
Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of the
rudder,
pictures here - http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html)
to
cure, I figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is
coming
and fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so well in an
unheated
hangar.
As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It references
cutting
out the template and using the molded scribe line to locate it on the
fairing.
For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear leg
fairings that looks like a scribe line.
What's the secret here?
Bob Collins
RV-7A
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV-7A - Running wires
http://rvbuildershotline.com
Day job:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
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| Subject: | Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
Bob, I scratched my head on this too. I ended up just centering the paper
template on the fairings (end to end) and cut both ends to the template.
Mine turned out great.
BTW, not sure if you are using Van's intersection fairings but I bought the
fairings from Fairings Etc. and they were perfect!
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv6n@optonline.net
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
>From what I remember when I did this, the scribe lines were nearly
invisible. They were there but very fine and almost impossible to see.
Bob Bales
RV6
N954RB
----- Original Message -----
From: bcollinsmn
Subject: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
>
> Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of
> the rudder, pictures here -
> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html) to cure,
> I figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is
> coming and fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so
> well in an unheated hangar.
>
> As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It
> references cutting out the template and using the molded scribe
> line to locate it on the fairing.
>
> For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear
> leg fairings that looks like a scribe line.
>
> What's the secret here?
>
> Bob Collins
> RV-7A
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV-7A - Running wires
> http://rvbuildershotline.com
> Day job:
> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263879#263879
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| Subject: | Jefferson City MO fly-in |
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| Subject: | Re: Loop problem |
Thanks for the pointers Cam. It has been raining here most every day past 2
wks, havent been up. Im suprised to hear that the plane will roll going that
slow, would seem like could easily slip into a spin. Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "camdaddy" <proscllc@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 07:42
Subject: RV-List: Re: Loop problem
Hey, Charlie. I wonder how your loops have been progressing?
When I got my first acro training in an Extra 300L, the military instructors
drilled into me to get a feel in my butt for 3 and 4 Gs. In a couple days I
knew what they meant and could sense when I was loading the plane to those
levels.
In my RV that feeling was a little different and I had to re-learn what 3Gs
and 4Gs felt like. Now, that along with a sense for the elapsed time I'm
taking to get to the top lets me know how the loop will look.
I also placed a piece of pinstripe tape on the inside of my canopy at eye
level on my left to act as my horizon marker. It's not as good as a wingtip
sighting device, but it's a good low-tech solution that's better than
nothing. Once I lose sight of the horizon up front, I turn my head left to
watch my wing. The tape will tell me when I'm nearing the top and it's time
to look "up" and unload the plane.
One other thing I did that helped me... I did a bunch of Split- Ss. I would
slow the plane to just above stall speed, roll it over, and pull a Split-S.
This gave me a good feel for how my loops would finish.
-Cam
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| Subject: | Re: Gear lef fairing scribe lines |
I cut the template and positioned it were I thought it should go. However,
there are six RVs within a few hundred feet of my hanger, and I was able to
pull the pants and intersection fairings off and make a few measurements.
Peter
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>wrote:
> Did you use the templates on DWG C3 ( I think it was C3, might've been
> C2). Apparently you line it up with a scribe line, find the line for your
> model, and use that to trim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *peter laurence
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58 PM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
>
> Bob,
> I just did the gear led fairings for a friend's RV7A.No scribe lines that I
> could see!
>
> Peter Laurence
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM, bcollinsmn <bob@rvbuildershotline.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of the
>> rudder, pictures here -
>> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html) to cure, I
>> figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is coming and
>> fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so well in an unheated
>> hangar.
>>
>> As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It references
>> cutting out the template and using the molded scribe line to locate it on
>> the fairing.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear leg
>> fairings that looks like a scribe line.
>>
>> What's the secret here?
>>
>> Bob Collins
>> RV-7A
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Collins
>> St. Paul, Minn.
>> RV-7A - Running wires
>> http://rvbuildershotline.com
>> Day job:
>> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263879#263879
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| Subject: | Re: Loop problem |
It will roll over just fine. It's slow... kinda wallows over, but not bad. Don't
let it get too slow and it CAN'T spin b/c for a spin to happen it needs yaw
to couple with the stall. Keep the bubble centered and the plane unloaded (stick-wise,
I mean, not cargo-wise)... you'll be fine.
In fact, I have to really work to get my -4 to spin. It will do it, but I have
to hold pro-spin inputs for awhile. Once it spins and I am done, I give the
PARE recovery inputs and it pops right out without hesitation. Even with a back
seat passenger. The side-by-side RVs I've flown seem to want to spin easier
than the -4s I've flown. But I wouldn't be concerned about them being "stubborn"
in the spin.
But do only what you're comfortable with and listen to that all-important "little
voice". ...and keep me posted.
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| Subject: | Gear leg fairing scribe lines |
Gah. It's amazing how simple things turn into incredible time-wasters
for
me. (g)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter laurence
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
I cut the template and positioned it were I thought it should go.
However,
there are six RVs within a few hundred feet of my hanger, and I was able
to
pull the pants and intersection fairings off and make a few
measurements.
Peter
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
wrote:
Did you use the templates on DWG C3 ( I think it was C3, might've been
C2).
Apparently you line it up with a scribe line, find the line for your
model,
and use that to trim.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of peter laurence
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear lef fairing scribe lines
Bob,
I just did the gear led fairings for a friend's RV7A.No scribe lines
that I
could see!
Peter Laurence
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:12 PM, bcollinsmn <bob@rvbuildershotline.com>
wrote:
Waiting for the skim coat on the last of my emp fairings (top of the
rudder,
pictures here - http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-tips.html)
to
cure, I figured I'd start working on the gear leg fairings. Winter is
coming
and fiberglass epoxy and 10 below temps don't work so well in an
unheated
hangar.
As usual, I ran into a problem right at the beginning. It references
cutting
out the template and using the molded scribe line to locate it on the
fairing.
For the life of me, I cannot find anything on either of the gear leg
fairings that looks like a scribe line.
What's the secret here?
Bob Collins
RV-7A
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV-7A - Running wires
http://rvbuildershotline.com
Day job:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
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| Subject: | Re: Loop problem |
Ok, I am itchi8ng to get up, maybe a window some time tomorrow
----- Original Message -----
From: "camdaddy" <proscllc@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 21:47
Subject: RV-List: Re: Loop problem
It will roll over just fine. It's slow... kinda wallows over, but not bad.
Don't let it get too slow and it CAN'T spin b/c for a spin to happen it
needs yaw to couple with the stall. Keep the bubble centered and the plane
unloaded (stick-wise, I mean, not cargo-wise)... you'll be fine.
In fact, I have to really work to get my -4 to spin. It will do it, but I
have to hold pro-spin inputs for awhile. Once it spins and I am done, I
give the PARE recovery inputs and it pops right out without hesitation.
Even with a back seat passenger. The side-by-side RVs I've flown seem to
want to spin easier than the -4s I've flown. But I wouldn't be concerned
about them being "stubborn" in the spin.
But do only what you're comfortable with and listen to that all-important
"little voice". ...and keep me posted.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263915#263915
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