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1. 06:31 AM - Painting Baffles (Valovich, Paul)
2. 06:34 AM - RV Newsletter was Gear leg fairing scribe lines (Chris Stone)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Front Mounted Governor vs. Rear Mounted Governor... (wgill10@comcast.net)
4. 07:22 AM - Inspection Plate (David Schaefer)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Inspection Plate (Ollie Washburn)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: Painting Baffles (peter laurence)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: RV Newsletter was Gear leg fairing scribe lines (Bob Collins)
8. 04:15 PM - Re: Inspection Plate ()
9. 04:57 PM - IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Mike De Lange)
10. 05:02 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Tim Bryan)
11. 05:09 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Bret Smith)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Mike Robertson)
13. 06:51 PM - Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Kelly McMullen)
14. 06:54 PM - Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Darrell Reiley)
15. 07:58 PM - Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Tim Olson)
16. 08:43 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Terry Watson)
17. 10:43 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Vanremog@aol.com)
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Subject: | Painting Baffles |
I am finishing my baffles and have put a primer coat (SEMS Self Etching Gre
y) on the metal and decided to leave it at that and not paint. Has anyone d
one this? If so, how did it hold up?
Paul Valovich
RV-8A N192NM
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Subject: | RV Newsletter was Gear leg fairing scribe lines |
Bob...
If you are working on the fairings you must be nearing the final stage of completion!
Is the RV Newsletter dead and burried?
Curious in Oregon...
C. Stone
RV-8 eventually
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>Sent: Sep 21, 2009 3:08 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Gear leg fairing scribe lines
>
>
>The answer on the scribe lines on gear leg fairings comes from Ken Scott at Van's:
>
>Some fairings have them, some don't. I think it depends on the condition of the
mold when they are laid up. It really doesn't make much difference, as it
turns out. Trim the fairing to fit between the fuse and the wheel pant. As long
as it's symmetrical between sides, it will work.
>The inter. fairings can cover whatever space you leave.
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>Bob Collins
>St. Paul, Minn.
>Letters from Flyover Country
>http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264184#264184
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Subject: | Re: Front Mounted Governor vs. Rear Mounted Governor... |
Hello Matt,
I purchased a 72" cable from Spruce (special order, 3.5" stroke). A 68" cab
le would have been perfect, but more special order fees were required. Sinc
e I have a -7 without side controls, your application will likely be differ
ent.
Best regards,
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
Lee's Summit, MO
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:00:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: RV-List: Re: Front Mounted Governor vs. Rear Mounted Governor...
Great pictures, Bill; thank you!
I just ordered a PCU5000 with the extension arm and the clockwise rotation
(clockwise to increase pitch).
What length control cable did you use?
If you had made your bracket stick out a little farther, could you have got
ten away with not using the extra bushing on the control arm?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com
Engine Baffling & Governor Installation...
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Subject: | Inspection Plate |
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
Many RVs have the cut-outs. Some with 2 and some with 4 like mine.
Ollie
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:21 AM, David Schaefer <n142ds@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
> coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
> love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
> off-line.
>
> Thanks.... for the help.
>
>
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
> TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
> www.n142ds.com
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Subject: | Re: Painting Baffles |
There are Rvs at my field that with bare metal baffles. A couple of them are
over ten years old and the baffles look fine.
BTW, I retrieved a scrap piece of flap that was in my back yard exposed to
the elements(Miami Beach).Buffed it up a bit and and was good as new.
Now, Had that flap been primed and painted without ectching and chromic
converting, filliform
corrosion would have been the menu for the day!
Peter Laurence
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Valovich, Paul <pvalovich@dcscorp.com>wrote:
> I am finishing my baffles and have put a primer coat (SEMS Self Etching
> Grey) on the metal and decided to leave it at that and not paint. Has anyone
> done this? If so, how did it hold up?
>
> Paul Valovich
>
> RV-8A N192NM
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Subject: | RV Newsletter was Gear leg fairing scribe lines |
Yes, I am working on the "final stage of completion," Chris. Of course, I've
been working on the stage for several years, now. (g)
Seriously, if I had a bunch of money and a lot more time, I'd be flying by
next year some time. But I'm thinking 2011 is probably more realistic.
Somewhere along the 8-year build in which I started out as a cut-corners
kind of guy, I became a bit of a perfectionist.
Yes, the RV Builder's Hotline is -- basically -- dead and buried (although
the archives and all the articles will stay up). Once Yahoo started bouncing
back because of sp*m, it just created a nightmare of work trying to get each
mailing out to 2,000 people. But the real problem is that a lot of content
that was spread all over the universe, has migrated to VAF so the reason for
its existence disappeared.
I still write an occasional article but I just put it on the blog
(http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com).
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV Newsletter was Gear leg fairing scribe lines
Bob...
If you are working on the fairings you must be nearing the final stage of
completion!
Is the RV Newsletter dead and burried?
Curious in Oregon...
C. Stone
RV-8 eventually
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Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
Dan Checkoway did this but all his pictures and website are gone.
Mark Rose 8A 137MR
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the
forward coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area?
If so I'd love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc?
Please contact me off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT
EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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Subject: | IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Hi All!
I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an IO-320 (vertical
induction) engine which will probably be purchased from Aerosport in BC (I'm
located in Canada). This engine uses the Precision AirmotiveSilver HawkEX fuel
injection system which, from what I'm told, has no fuel vapor return lines.
This seems like a nice feature as that means that I wouldn't have to poke another
set of holes in my tanks.
Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering information on
how to hook it all up, I've been finding that there is an amazing lack of information
on how one would go about installing it. I asked Aerosport if they had
any information on how the system would be plumbed in and they said I should
go talk to Precision. I went and spoke with Precision and they told me that
that would be dictated by the engine manufacturer and I should go talk to them.
I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installed a vertical induction fuel injected
engine on any of their planes so they won't even begin to speculate. The
Van's Airforce site was no help (which was surprising) as well as a couple of
dozen builder websites which didn't help either.
Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a diagram as to
how this system would be put together?
Thanks!
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Subject: | Inspection Plate |
David,
Why offline? This would be of particular interest to me and probably
others. Anyone responding to this, please post online. Thanks a bunch. I
just hate crawling under the panel to get to stuff. Not sure how bad the
access panels would look, but maybe not bad.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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Subject: | Inspection Plate |
Just a note, Vans strongly discourages this mod as it weakens the entire
structure. This is part of the "crumple zone" in the event of a crash and
weakening the area could compromise pilot and passenger safety.
Bret Smith
EAA Technical Advisor
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
av8er2fly@peoplepc.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Dan Checkoway did this but all his pictures and website are gone.
Mark Rose 8A 137MR
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
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Subject: | IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
While we did not use the precision fuel injection system we did install an
IO-320 in our RV-9A using the airflow performance FI system. Sorry I don't
have any pictures but I can tell you that we basically used the Van's RV-7
A fuel injection system drawing. The exception was the fuel return line co
ming from the purge valve mounted to the flow divider. We had to install a
return line from the flow purge valve to the left tank fuel line just prior
to the selector valve. Easy to do and the only special consideration is t
hat we purge and start on the right tank. Any questions drop me a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 22 Sep 2009 16:49:27 -0700
> From: squishyoleo@yahoo.ca
> Subject: RV-List: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi All!
>
> I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an IO-320 (
vertical induction) engine which will probably be purchased from Aerosport
in BC (I'm located in Canada). This engine uses the Precision Airmotive Si
lver Hawk EX fuel injection system which=2C from what I'm told=2C has no fu
el vapor return lines. This seems like a nice feature as that means that I
wouldn't have to poke another set of holes in my tanks.
>
> Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering informa
tion on how to hook it all up=2C I've been finding that there is an amazing
lack of information on how one would go about installing it. I asked Aero
sport if they had any information on how the system would be plumbed in and
they said I should go talk to Precision. I went and spoke with Precision
and they told me that that would be dictated by the engine manufacturer and
I should go talk to them. I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installe
d a vertical induction fuel injected engine on any of their planes so they
won't even begin to speculate. The Van's Airforce site was no help (which
was surprising) as well as a couple of dozen builder websites which didn't
help either.
>
> Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a diagram
as to how this system would be put together?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Not sure what a vertical induction would look like, as the injected type
certificated versions of Lycoming I am familiar with all had Precision
horizontal induction, and have no provisions for any return line. Any
reason you couldn't specify a horizontal induction sump for your engine?
I would look to what the Twin Comanche used with the IO-320.
Mike Robertson wrote:
> While we did not use the precision fuel injection system we did install
> an IO-320 in our RV-9A using the airflow performance FI system. Sorry I
> don't have any pictures but I can tell you that we basically used the
> Van's RV-7A fuel injection system drawing. The exception was the fuel
> return line coming from the purge valve mounted to the flow divider. We
> had to install a return line from the flow purge valve to the left tank
> fuel line just prior to the selector valve. Easy to do and the only
> special consideration is that we purge and start on the right tank. Any
> questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:49:27 -0700
> > From: squishyoleo@yahoo.ca
> > Subject: RV-List: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an
> IO-320 (vertical induction) engine which will probably be purchased from
> Aerosport in BC (I'm located in Canada). This engine uses the Precision
> Airmotive Silver Hawk EX fuel injection system which, from what I'm
> told, has no fuel vapor return lines. This seems like a nice feature as
> that means that I wouldn't have to poke another set of holes in my tanks.
> >
> > Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering
> information on how to hook it all up, I've been finding that there is an
> amazing lack of information on how one would go about installing it. I
> asked Aerosport if they had any information on how the system would be
> plumbed in and they said I should go talk to Precision. I went and
> spoke with Precision and they told me that that would be dictated by the
> engine manufacturer and I should go talk to them. I'm stuck. Van's has
> apparently never installed a vertical induction fuel injected engine on
> any of their planes so they won't even begin to speculate. The Van's
> Airforce site was no help (which was surprising) as well as a couple of
> dozen builder websites which didn't help either.
> >
> > Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a
> diagram as to how this system would be put together?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Mark Olson in Canada is getting a new power plant 320 for his RV4 which is fuel
injected. He had a Precision set-up he removed from his old 320... he was also
wanting to sell the system as his new 320 comes with a new FI system. You may
tray and track him down.
Darrell
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> From: Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RV-List: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 6:49 PM
> Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi All!
>
> I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go
> with an IO-320 (vertical induction) engine which will
> probably be purchased from Aerosport in BC (I'm located in
> Canada). This engine uses the Precision AirmotiveSilver
> HawkEX fuel injection system which, from what I'm told,
> has no fuel vapor return lines. This seems like a nice
> feature as that means that I wouldn't have to poke another
> set of holes in my tanks.
>
> Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and
> gathering information on how to hook it all up, I've been
> finding that there is an amazing lack of information on how
> one would go about installing it. I asked Aerosport if
> they had any information on how the system would be plumbed
> in and they said I should go talk to Precision. I went and
> spoke with Precision and they told me that that would be
> dictated by the engine manufacturer and I should go talk to
> them. I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installed a
> vertical induction fuel injected engine on any of their
> planes so they won't even begin to speculate. The Van's
> Airforce site was no help (which was surprising) as well as
> a couple of dozen builder websites which didn't help
> either.
>
> Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here
> have a diagram as to how this system would be put together?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
I think you're overthinking it a little as to how hard it
will be to plumb the engine. On the -10, a vertical induction
precision is really common. Bart delivers the engine all set
up, and the FI stuff that's left just bolts right up and is
real straight forward. I can show you some -10 install
photos if you need. It is nice not to have to worry about
return lines and purge valves, and it makes the install
really simple. I can't tell you how the airbox on a 9A is
going to go, and how it mates with the cowl. All I call
say is that on the -10 it just isn't much to worry about.
So if you can get anyone with a vertical system on a 9A to
just take a picture for you, you'll have no problem getting
it all set up. All of the people you referred to will probably
answer the questions with good answers, but just be careful
to ask the right questions to the right people, as you're
asking them. Don't bother Bart with questions about how
it fits with the 9A cowl. Don't ask Precision about the
electric boost pump and all the stuff that comes before their
system. Just focus the questions from each person on the
thing that they know best.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Mike De Lange wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an
> IO-320 (vertical induction) engine which will probably be purchased
> from Aerosport in BC (I'm located in Canada). This engine uses the
> Precision Airmotive Silver Hawk EX fuel injection system which, from
> what I'm told, has no fuel vapor return lines. This seems like a
> nice feature as that means that I wouldn't have to poke another set
> of holes in my tanks.
>
> Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering
> information on how to hook it all up, I've been finding that there is
> an amazing lack of information on how one would go about installing
> it. I asked Aerosport if they had any information on how the system
> would be plumbed in and they said I should go talk to Precision. I
> went and spoke with Precision and they told me that that would be
> dictated by the engine manufacturer and I should go talk to them.
> I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installed a vertical induction
> fuel injected engine on any of their planes so they won't even begin
> to speculate. The Van's Airforce site was no help (which was
> surprising) as well as a couple of dozen builder websites which
> didn't help either.
>
> Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a
> diagram as to how this system would be put together?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Subject: | Inspection Plate |
An inspection plate done right should not weaken the structure at all. It
could stiffen the structure in a way that was detrimental to the crumple
zone mentioned, but it should not make it weaker. And of course it makes the
plane slightly heavier.
I did it on my stalled 8A project and could come up with some photos if no
one else has any available.
Terry
RV-8A #80729
Seattle
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Just a note, Vans strongly discourages this mod as it weakens the entire
structure. This is part of the "crumple zone" in the event of a crash and
weakening the area could compromise pilot and passenger safety.
Bret Smith
EAA Technical Advisor
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
av8er2fly@peoplepc.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Dan Checkoway did this but all his pictures and website are gone.
Mark Rose 8A 137MR
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
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Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
This is just nonsense. The installation of access panels merely needs to
be done in such a way as to not appreciably weaken OR strengthen the
structure in that region, as it needs to deform in a predictable way. Th
is
assumes that the original monocoque structure was in fact designed exactl
y as
Van's claims and that adequate testing has proven that the crumple zones
collectively behave well in compression at a given crash speed. That the
y
performed this testing and optimized it in the design seem a stretch to
me. I
personally would err on the side of making the mod slightly more robust
rather than slightly weaker than the original area.
I think that after many years Van's people have grown weary of answering
the zillion questions about the myriad modifications possible and so "jus
t
make it work", "if you really needed it, we would have designed it in" an
d
"we discourage making any modifications" yada yada become the most
effective way to end further legitimate discussion.
I would follow prudent access panel suggestions presented in the Tony
Bingelis books and I believe that as long as the area looks approximately
as
robust as the original, it would be acceptable. This is not a wing spar
repair. Keep in mind that there are similar access panels in the undersi
de of
the wing skins at mid-span and these are in a much more critical failure
area.
N1GV (RV-6A Flying 930TTAE Silicon Valley, CA)
In a message dated 9/22/2009 5:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
smithhb@tds.net writes:
Just a note, Vans strongly discourages this mod as it weakens the entire
structure. This is part of the =9Ccrumple zone=9D in the even
t of a crash and
weakening the area could compromise pilot and passenger safety.
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