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1. 01:42 AM - Re: IO-320 Fuel System pictures (jakent@unison.ie)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Inspection Plate (Bobby Hester)
3. 04:51 AM - : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (James H Nelson)
4. 05:21 AM - Re: Inspection Plate (Jerry Grimmonpre)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Kelly McMullen)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: Inspection Plate (Walter Tondu)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Inspection Plate (Brian Meyette)
8. 12:17 PM - Re: : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Dwight Frye)
9. 12:17 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Walter Tondu)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Terry Watson)
11. 05:45 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Larry Bowen)
12. 06:11 PM - Painting Baffles (PeterHunt1@AOL.COM)
13. 06:34 PM - IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (emrath)
14. 09:57 PM - Re: Inspection Plate (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | RE: IO-320 Fuel System pictures |
Mike, take a quick look at <
http://www.techass.com/csimpson/rv4/rv4eng.html >
Not a RV-9, I know, but might give you the general idea?
John Kent RV-4 EI-DIY flying..
From: Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RV-List: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
Hi All!
I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an IO-320
(vertical
induction) engine which will probably be purchased from Aerosport in BC (I'm
located in Canada). This engine uses the Precision AirmotiveSilver HawkEX
fuel
injection system which, from what I'm told, has no fuel vapor return lines.
This seems like a nice feature as that means that I wouldn't have to poke
another
set of holes in my tanks.
Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering
information on
how to hook it all up, I've been finding that there is an amazing lack of
information
on how one would go about installing it. I asked Aerosport if they had
any information on how the system would be plumbed in and they said I should
go talk to Precision. I went and spoke with Precision and they told me that
that would be dictated by the engine manufacturer and I should go talk to
them.
I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installed a vertical induction fuel
injected
engine on any of their planes so they won't even begin to speculate. The
Van's Airforce site was no help (which was surprising) as well as a couple
of
dozen builder websites which didn't help either.
Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a diagram as
to
how this system would be put together?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
Yes I did. Yes it did leak but not after using a sealant just recently,
I picked it up at the auto parts store it was not RTV but is something
that does not harden, I put a small amount around it and installed it.
Washed the aircraft (the only time I noticed it leak) an it did not leak.
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David Schaefer wrote:
> Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the
> forward coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that
> area? If so I'd love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak
> etc? Please contact me off-line.
>
> Thanks.... for the help.
>
>
>
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
> TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
> www.n142ds.com <http://www.n142ds.com>
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| Subject: | : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Mike,
I have the IO360 and I wouldn't trade my fuel sysytem from AFP
for a system that does not have the "purge " valve. It lets you have
cool fuel on hot restarts and when shutting down, it "stops" the fuel
from letting the engine "run" on for a bit. I put my return line back to
the fuel line that comes from the right tank between the gear leg and the
fuel selector valve. this lets you pump the hot fuel back to the right
tank wile puttling cool fuel from my left tank. Works great.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
Tim ...
I agree with your position. Replies are helpful to all listers and a good
reason to share them.
Jerry
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From: Tim Bryan
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Inspection Plate
David,
Why offline? This would be of particular interest to me and probably
others. Anyone responding to this, please post online. Thanks a bunch. I
just hate crawling under the panel to get to stuff. Not sure how bad the
access panels would look, but maybe not bad.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:21 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the
forward coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If
so I'd love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please
contact me off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Well, I have been operating an IO-360-A1A in a Mooney for over 10 years
with no need for purge valve complexity, no issue for hot starts, no
issue for shutdown. If an engine tries to run on there is something
wrong with it. KISS. No need to add parts to solve non-problems.
James H Nelson wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I have the IO360 and I wouldn't trade my fuel sysytem from AFP
> for a system that does not have the "purge " valve. It lets you have
> cool fuel on hot restarts and when shutting down, it "stops" the fuel
> from letting the engine "run" on for a bit. I put my return line back to
> the fuel line that comes from the right tank between the gear leg and the
> fuel selector valve. this lets you pump the hot fuel back to the right
> tank wile puttling cool fuel from my left tank. Works great.
>
> Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
Hi David,
See entries dated 6/26/04 on this page: http://rv7-a.com/tipup_canopy_2.htm
Would I do it again? Yes. Doesn't leak either.
> Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the
> forward coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that
> area? If so I'd love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak
> etc? Please contact me off-line.
>
> Thanks.... for the help.
>
>
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
> TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT
> EFIS
> www.n142ds.com
>
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| Subject: | Inspection Plate |
Hi Walter,
I see you made yours with the panels laid out flat. I've done flat access
panels before, but haven't tried doing yet on this piece that will be
installed with the panel curved. So you just did yours laid out flat?
No problems with that? I had figured that, if I did it flat (MUCH easier
than trying to do it in place curved), the panel and the sheet would bend
differently and result in opening the gap between the panel and the opening.
Not an issue for you?
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
Hi David,
See entries dated 6/26/04 on this page: http://rv7-a.com/tipup_canopy_2.htm
Would I do it again? Yes. Doesn't leak either.
Has anyone in the 6 or 7 community cut 'inspection' plates into the forward
coweling just ahead of the windshield for access to that area? If so I'd
love to see pictures, how you did it, does it leak etc? Please contact me
off-line.
Thanks.... for the help.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: : IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
As a note ... Airflow Performance is in the process of making a new
version of their system available which does not require a purge
valve and/or return line. I believe it is bolt-compatible with the
Precision as well, but Don Rivera (Airflow owner, and FI guru) is who
you should talk to for details.
Like Jim I did not run the purge line all the way back to the tanks,
but just back to the feed line from the right tank. It is simple and
has proven to be effective.
As for me, I _like_ the functionality that the purge valve provides in
the system and have found the additional plumbing to be trivial. But
for those who really don't want the purge valve and line ... Don now
will have an option for you to run with.
-- Dwight
FYI: I am not affiliated with Airflow in any way except as someone who
has received absolutely superb customer service.
On Wed Sep 23 07:49:29 2009, James H Nelson wrote :
>
>Mike,
> I have the IO360 and I wouldn't trade my fuel sysytem from AFP
>for a system that does not have the "purge " valve. It lets you have
>cool fuel on hot restarts and when shutting down, it "stops" the fuel
>from letting the engine "run" on for a bit. I put my return line back to
>the fuel line that comes from the right tank between the gear leg and the
>fuel selector valve. this lets you pump the hot fuel back to the right
>tank wile puttling cool fuel from my left tank. Works great.
>
>Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
The area in which I located the panels is very flat and so it
did not have any impact. If you build 4 inspection panels as
some have done (two additional panels outboard) then that
*might* be an issue in which case you would want to measure
and drill with the skin in-place.
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
> Hi Walter,
> I see you made yours with the panels laid out flat. I've done flat
> access panels before, but haven't tried doing yet on this piece that
> will be installed with the panel curved. So you just did yours
> laid out flat? No problems with that? I had figured that, if I
> did it flat (MUCH easier than trying to do it in place curved), the
> panel and the sheet would bend differently and result in opening the
> gap between the panel and the opening. Not an issue for you?
> brian
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| Subject: | Inspection Plate |
For my 8A, I think I remember that I had some material trimmed off the
forward top skin that had exactly the right curve in it, or possibly I
rolled the curve myself. Either way, it fit the curved surface quite well.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
The area in which I located the panels is very flat and so it
did not have any impact. If you build 4 inspection panels as
some have done (two additional panels outboard) then that
*might* be an issue in which case you would want to measure
and drill with the skin in-place.
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
Hi Walter,
I see you made yours with the panels laid out flat. I've done flat access
panels before, but haven't tried doing yet on this piece that will be
installed with the panel curved. So you just did yours laid out flat?
No problems with that? I had figured that, if I did it flat (MUCH easier
than trying to do it in place curved), the panel and the sheet would bend
differently and result in opening the gap between the panel and the opening.
Not an issue for you?
brian
--
Walter Tondu
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plate |
http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=38
Above are some notes on access panels I did on the RV-8. No memorable
problems with water leaks in during washing or flying. Otherwise is was
hangered or covered. I may do the same on the RV-7 tip-up....not sure yet.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
> For my 8A, I think I remember that I had some material trimmed off the
> forward top skin that had exactly the right curve in it, or possibly I
> rolled the curve myself. Either way, it fit the curved surface quite well.
>
>
> Terry
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Walter Tondu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:42 AM
>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
>
>
> The area in which I located the panels is very flat and so it
>
> did not have any impact. If you build 4 inspection panels as
>
> some have done (two additional panels outboard) then that
>
> *might* be an issue in which case you would want to measure
>
> and drill with the skin in-place.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
>
>
> Hi Walter,
>
> I see you made yours with the panels laid out flat. I've done flat access
> panels before, but haven't tried doing yet on this piece that will be
> installed with the panel curved. So you just did yours laid out flat?
> No problems with that? I had figured that, if I did it flat (MUCH easier
> than trying to do it in place curved), the panel and the sheet would bend
> differently and result in opening the gap between the panel and the
> opening. Not an issue for you?
>
> brian
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Baffles |
I too have painted my engine baffles as well as an aluminum plenum I
designed. I alodined (sp) first, then used the same primer I used on the fuselage
and followed with a finish topcoat (all matching Van's motor mount). Even
with all that heat in there, the paint is holding up perfectly after 420
hours. I sometimes show my airplane with the top engine cowling off and
painted baffles look so much better than unfinished (and always scratched)
aluminum.
Pete in Clearwater
RV-6 - Reserve Grand Champion, Best Metal, Best Low Wing, Outstanding
Workmanship and other awards.
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| Subject: | IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Mike,
Here's a couple of items to think about. I have picked up Precision's
interactive CD titled "Maintaining the RSA Fuel Injection System, a Video
tape from them titled the same, and several informative PDF's from
Precision's Web site such as the "operating and Performance Data" and "Price
and Information Catalog". I also picked up somewhere the RSA-5 and RSA-10
Fuel Injection Systems "Operations and Service Manual" from Bendix, Energy
Controls Division. All of which helped me to understand the system.
I purchased a 0-360 Lycoming used with a Bendix FI system, no purge line
required, but it had been removed from the engine. The servo fits just like
the carb on the engine bottom but the mixture arm interfered with the FAB on
my RV-6A. I purchased a 0.75" spacer from Mr. Bowhay on this list years ago
before he died and still I had to cut into the flange on the top side of the
FAB. One could of course modify the top of the FAB to accommodate, so this
was a tricky area. Also, the original installation did not run the fuel
like to the distribution spider between the cylinders and I had to modify
mind to do so. I'm just finishing painting and have not started the engine,
but hope to do so very soon and find out if all works. Otherwise, it was
not more difficult that a carb would have been to install.
Marty in Brentwood TN
RV-6A painting.
Time: 04:57:51 PM PST US
From: Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RV-List: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
Hi All!
I'm building an RV-9A and I've decided that I want to go with an IO-320
(vertical
induction) engine which will probably be purchased from Aerosport in BC (I'm
located in Canada). This engine uses the Precision AirmotiveSilver HawkEX
fuel injection system which, from what I'm told, has no fuel vapor return
lines. This seems like a nice feature as that means that I wouldn't have to
poke another set of holes in my tanks.
Unfortunetly in all the time I've spent researching and gathering
information on how to hook it all up, I've been finding that there is an
amazing lack of information on how one would go about installing it. I asked
Aerosport if they had any information on how the system would be plumbed in
and they said I should go talk to Precision. I went and spoke with Precision
and they told me that that would be dictated by the engine manufacturer and
I should go talk to them. I'm stuck. Van's has apparently never installed a
vertical induction fuel injected engine on any of their planes so they won't
even begin to speculate. The Van's Airforce site was no help (which was
surprising) as well as a couple of dozen builder websites which didn't help
either.
Is anyone here using a setup like that? Would anyone here have a diagram as
to how this system would be put together?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Inspection Plate |
That sure looks familiar, Larry. I think I must have copied yours.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=38
Above are some notes on access panels I did on the RV-8. No memorable
problems with water leaks in during washing or flying. Otherwise is was
hangered or covered. I may do the same on the RV-7 tip-up....not sure yet.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
For my 8A, I think I remember that I had some material trimmed off the
forward top skin that had exactly the right curve in it, or possibly I
rolled the curve myself. Either way, it fit the curved surface quite well.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Tondu
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Inspection Plate
The area in which I located the panels is very flat and so it
did not have any impact. If you build 4 inspection panels as
some have done (two additional panels outboard) then that
*might* be an issue in which case you would want to measure
and drill with the skin in-place.
On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
Hi Walter,
I see you made yours with the panels laid out flat. I've done flat access
panels before, but haven't tried doing yet on this piece that will be
installed with the panel curved. So you just did yours laid out flat?
No problems with that? I had figured that, if I did it flat (MUCH easier
than trying to do it in place curved), the panel and the sheet would bend
differently and result in opening the gap between the panel and the opening.
Not an issue for you?
brian
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