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1. 05:54 AM - Brake drag follow up (charlie heathco)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Brake drag follow up (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Brake drag follow up (Linn Walters)
4. 01:40 PM - how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Meyette)
5. 01:53 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 02:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Huffaker)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Carl Froehlich)
8. 02:30 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (John Morgensen)
9. 03:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Denis Walsh)
10. 03:40 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Hadley Heinrichs)
11. 04:10 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Jim)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Charles Ennis)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (scott bilinski)
14. 05:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Linn Walters)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Matt Dralle)
16. 06:09 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Bobby Hester)
17. 06:09 PM - RVa Tow Pin Kit (Bobby Hester)
18. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Mike De Lange)
19. 06:10 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Meyette)
20. 06:43 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Kelly McMullen)
21. 07:12 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (charlie heathco)
22. 09:27 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Darrell Reiley)
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| Subject: | Brake drag follow up |
I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but
said everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped
alum brake line was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly,
recomended putting short flex instead. That would require opening the
gear leg fairing to put a fiting on the line. Anybody done this??
Charlie H
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| Subject: | Re: Brake drag follow up |
I have flex line running from the fuse floor to the caliper.
-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie heathco <cheathco@cox.net>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2009 8:50 AM
>To: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Brake drag follow up
>
>I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but said
everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped alum brake line
was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly, recomended putting short
flex instead. That would require opening the gear leg fairing to put a fiting
on the line. Anybody done this?? Charlie H
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| Subject: | Re: Brake drag follow up |
Charlie ..... IMHO the loop should give enough freedom for the brake
cylinder pins to slide in their holes. I've seen direct connections
.... without the loop work really well ..... My Pitts and Traumahawk has
a direct connection without any issues. The only concern I have with
going to flex is the bulk of the hose ..... which may give you other
issues. I think if the cylinder was cocking that you'd see some odd
wear on the pads.
Linn
charlie heathco wrote:
> I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but
> said everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped
> alum brake line was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly,
> recomended putting short flex instead. That would require opening the
> gear leg fairing to put a fiting on the line. Anybody done this?? Charlie H
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | how do you back up an A model RV? |
Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV
to move backwards in other than a straight line?
I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out
of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I
tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to
move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the
wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.
But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't
going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up
their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
I have a tow bar that I got from Bogert.....
Makes it easier - but not easy!
I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nosewheel backwards -
but
I think that would require the breakout force be too low.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2009 4:38 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
>
>Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV
>to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
>I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out
>of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I
>tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
>castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to
>move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the
>wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.
>
>But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't
>going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up
>their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Haven't done it on my RV yet, but back when I was flying Cessnas I would
hold the tail down to get the nose wheel off the ground and then roll it
where ever I wanted. Easy to do with my 8A so far, but I don't have the
engine on yet.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com)
RV-8A 80091 fitting canopy latch.
1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
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| Subject: | how do you back up an A model RV? |
Brian,
It's not hard. I back mine up into the hanger each time. Practice a few
more times and you will get the hang of it. Remember low tire air pressure
does not help. The other thing is don't have "helpers" on the wing or tail.
They don't help. Hold the prop near the root and move the nose as needed to
keep the wheel tracking as desired.
When I made the plane I built a tow bar to steer the nose wheel, but then
found it is not needed.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (500 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV
to move backwards in other than a straight line?
I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out
of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I
tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to
move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the
wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.
But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't
going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up
their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing.
or
2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground.
Either way works.
john
Brian Meyette wrote:
> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a
> trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV
> backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under
> load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't
> turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was
> stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the
> wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was
> castering backwards.
>
> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,
> they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do
> people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in
> straight lines?
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement,
and I am sure others will cover it..
My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops!
This could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the
wheel ass backwards when the prop comes around.
Denis
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote:
> 1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing.
>
> or
>
> 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the
> ground.
>
> Either way works.
> john
>
> Brian Meyette wrote:
>>
>> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a
>> trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>>
>> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV
>> backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs
>> under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it
>> wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I
>> was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by
>> removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing
>> around so it was castering backwards.
>>
>> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,
>> they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How
>> do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only
>> in straight lines?
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Brian,
just finished my wheel pants...use a tow bar. make sure you order the one that
is the proper size for the vans hole you drill. about 5/8" i think, double check.
spruce has them..DO NOT ORDER THE UNIVERSAL ONE like i did, it will not
fit without cutting and maybe welding. modifying mine is on my list.
great that your STI is getting closer. i did many hours of research last night.
mine is NOT an STI it is a WRX...
http://opposedforces.com/parts/forester/us_s11/type_7/engine/engine_assembly/
my number EJ255BXTBB, the EJ257 is the STI series. ours has a different piston
and different heads and may be 8.4 to 1, the other differences were turbo and
peripherals.
important to know if you change pistons etc.
mine just needs supercharger setup and new computer install. then she is ready.
cheers,
Had
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From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
Here's
an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV
to move backwards in other than a straight line?
I just
finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of
its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I
tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got
it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting
the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.
But if
someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going
to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their
completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight
lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Someone said:
" I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nose wheel
backwards"
Do not try this when the aircraft is considered airworthy.
When the Allen screw stops are removed from the top of the nose wheel fork
allowing the nose wheel to rotate 360 degrees, the nose wheel can get into
the prop arc. Sooner or later it will happen. With the engine not running
some paint damage, fiberglass damage, prop damage and some level of injury
to your pride are all quite possible.
Should this Prop nose fork interference happen with the engine running the
result will at the very least spoil a nose wheel, a prop and the whole of
the rest of your day!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
If you plan on backing up on grass, a tow bar is the easiest way to go. By the
way, we need to be very careful pushing down on the hor. stabilizers. Most mechanics
can tell stories about damage to the mounting hardware and adjacent airframe
brackets..... if you must raise the front by pushing on the back, try to
push on the fuselage ahead of the vert stab....or at the very least 1 person
on each side on the hor. stab. The uneven loading and the bending moment on the
fasteners and mounting brackets can do some damage.
C. Ennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How
> do you get a trigear RV
> to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV
> backwards out
> of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under
> load. When I
> tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn;
> the nosewheel
> castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I
> eventually got it to
> move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and
> letting the
> wheel swing around so it was castering
> backwards.
>
> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,
> they aren't
> going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do
> people back up
> their completed planes? Just plan to move only in
> straight lines?
>
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Actually its very easy. First dont have any help they will just turn the ai
rcraft to one side Second make sure there is the correct amount of resistan
ce when turning the front wheel. It takes a little practice, but not much,
just go slow and push in the direction the wheel is pointing. I have never
had any problems (for 6 years) backing up our 8a unless the wind is really
blowing, then it takes 2.
Scott
=0ARV-8a
=0A
--- On Fri, 9/25/09, Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
=0A=0A=0AHere's =0Aan odd question I've never seen before.-- How do you
get a trigear RV =0Ato move backwards in other than a straight line?=0A-
=0AI just =0Afinished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my-RV back
wards out of =0Aits corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.
-- When I =0Atried to make a turn while pushing-it back, it wouldn't
turn; the nosewheel =0Acastered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.-
- I eventually got =0Ait to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel
castering stops and letting =0Athe wheel swing around so it was castering b
ackwards.--- =0A=0A-=0ABut if =0Asomeone's got a completed plane, w
ith nosewheel fairings, they-aren't going =0Ato take off the fairing to r
emove the stops.- How do people back up their =0Acompleted planes?--
Just plan to move only in straight =0Alines?=0A=0A=0A
Actually its very easy=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
I think you need one of two things ..... a towbar, or slow down as you
push back while you bump the nose left/right as needed. At our Grumman
conventions we have a contest ..... push an AA-1 backwards through a
winding path made of cones .... shortest time wins.
Before you take the stops out ..... make sure the wheel pants won't end
up in the prop arc. The little Grummans will .... and have.
Linn
Brian Meyette wrote:
> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a
> trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards
> out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.
> When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the
> nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I
> eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel
> castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering
> backwards.
>
> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,
> they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do
> people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in
> straight lines?
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
That's easy: Convert it to a tailwheel configuration...
:-)
Matt
At 01:38 PM 9/25/2009 Friday, you wrote:
>Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to
move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
>I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of
its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to
make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered
until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted
it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around
so it was castering backwards.
>
>But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going
to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their
completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines?
>
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Tow Bar
Here is the one I use:
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=8119
I also order and installed this:
*RVa Tow Pin Kit
*
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Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009AugDecFlying.htm
Brian Meyette wrote:
> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a
> trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?
>
> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV
> backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under
> load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't
> turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was
> stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the
> wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was
> castering backwards.
>
> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,
> they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do
> people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in
> straight lines?
> *
>
>
> *
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Forgot to add the website, scroll to the bottom:
http://www.bogert-av.com/whats_new.php
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| Subject: | Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? |
Sure can - I'm actually working on a general system overview diagram that should
be able to describe it better than I ever could in words. Once I finish it I'll
post it on the list here.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph Finch <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:32:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram??
Say--can you summarize what you learned and what you will do?
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
RV-9A QB-SA
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| Subject: | how do you back up an A model RV? |
yes, I noticed this and turned it around before starting the engine run
the prop tip was very close to the tire before I turned it back where it
shoudl be
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denis Walsh
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement, and I
am sure others will cover it..
My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops! This
could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the wheel ass
backwards when the prop comes around.
Denis
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote:
1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing.
or
2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground.
Either way works.
john
Brian Meyette wrote:
Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV
to move backwards in other than a straight line?
I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out
of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I
tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to
move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the
wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.
But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't
going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up
their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
Well, I would love to do that for an RV-10, but Van's is not about to
provide any support for such a beast, and I doubt the tail structure is
stressed for a tail wheel, and it would be a bitch to try to remount the
main gear mounts.
Matt Dralle wrote:
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> That's easy: Convert it to a tailwheel configuration...
>
> :-)
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> Matt
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
At first I used tow bar, then got to where I could back it including
turning.U put hands on the air intake holes, and push left to turn it
right. It take practice and go real slow at first, caution, do not let
anyone help. :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Meyette
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 15:38
Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a
trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?
I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV
backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under
load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't
turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.
I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel
castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering
backwards.
But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they
aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people
back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight
lines?
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| Subject: | Re: how do you back up an A model RV? |
OMG... Get a rope!
--- On Fri, 9/25/09, Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV?
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:38 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's
> an odd question I've never seen before. How
> do you get a trigear RV
> to move backwards in other than a straight
> line?
>
> I just
> finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push
> myRV backwards out of
> its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under
> load. When I
> tried to make a turn while pushingit back, it
> wouldn't turn; the nosewheel
> castered until it hit the stop, then I was
> stuck. I eventually got
> it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel
> castering stops and letting
> the wheel swing around so it was castering
> backwards.
>
>
> But if
> someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel
> fairings, theyaren't going
> to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do
> people back up their
> completed planes? Just plan to move only in
> straight
> lines?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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