---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/25/09: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:54 AM - Brake drag follow up (charlie heathco) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Brake drag follow up (Ralph E. Capen) 3. 06:25 AM - Re: Brake drag follow up (Linn Walters) 4. 01:40 PM - how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Meyette) 5. 01:53 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Ralph E. Capen) 6. 02:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Huffaker) 7. 02:12 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Carl Froehlich) 8. 02:30 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (John Morgensen) 9. 03:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Denis Walsh) 10. 03:40 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Hadley Heinrichs) 11. 04:10 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Jim) 12. 04:27 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Charles Ennis) 13. 04:53 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (scott bilinski) 14. 05:11 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Linn Walters) 15. 05:32 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Matt Dralle) 16. 06:09 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Bobby Hester) 17. 06:09 PM - RVa Tow Pin Kit (Bobby Hester) 18. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? (Mike De Lange) 19. 06:10 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Brian Meyette) 20. 06:43 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Kelly McMullen) 21. 07:12 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (charlie heathco) 22. 09:27 PM - Re: how do you back up an A model RV? (Darrell Reiley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:14 AM PST US From: "charlie heathco" Subject: RV-List: Brake drag follow up I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but said everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped alum brake line was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly, recomended putting short flex instead. That would require opening the gear leg fairing to put a fiting on the line. Anybody done this?? Charlie H ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:43 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake drag follow up I have flex line running from the fuse floor to the caliper. -----Original Message----- >From: charlie heathco >Sent: Sep 25, 2009 8:50 AM >To: rv-list >Subject: RV-List: Brake drag follow up > >I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but said everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped alum brake line was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly, recomended putting short flex instead. That would require opening the gear leg fairing to put a fiting on the line. Anybody done this?? Charlie H ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:33 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake drag follow up Charlie ..... IMHO the loop should give enough freedom for the brake cylinder pins to slide in their holes. I've seen direct connections .... without the loop work really well ..... My Pitts and Traumahawk has a direct connection without any issues. The only concern I have with going to flex is the bulk of the hose ..... which may give you other issues. I think if the cylinder was cocking that you'd see some odd wear on the pads. Linn charlie heathco wrote: > I gave the changing o-ring job to my local A&P, he changed the ring, but > said everything was clean and seemed to be fine. He thought the looped > alum brake line was cousing the claiper to cock on pins slightly, > recomended putting short flex instead. That would require opening the > gear leg fairing to put a fiting on the line. Anybody done this?? Charlie H > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:46 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:22 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? I have a tow bar that I got from Bogert..... Makes it easier - but not easy! I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nosewheel backwards - but I think that would require the breakout force be too low. Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Meyette >Sent: Sep 25, 2009 4:38 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? > >Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV >to move backwards in other than a straight line? > >I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out >of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I >tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel >castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to >move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the >wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. > >But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't >going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up >their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:14 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Haven't done it on my RV yet, but back when I was flying Cessnas I would hold the tail down to get the nose wheel off the ground and then roll it where ever I wanted. Easy to do with my 8A so far, but I don't have the engine on yet. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 fitting canopy latch. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:04 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Brian, It's not hard. I back mine up into the hanger each time. Practice a few more times and you will get the hang of it. Remember low tire air pressure does not help. The other thing is don't have "helpers" on the wing or tail. They don't help. Hold the prop near the root and move the nose as needed to keep the wheel tracking as desired. When I made the plane I built a tow bar to steer the nose wheel, but then found it is not needed. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (500 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:59 PM PST US From: John Morgensen Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? 1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing. or 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground. Either way works. john Brian Meyette wrote: > Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a > trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? > > I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV > backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under > load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't > turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was > stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the > wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was > castering backwards. > > But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, > they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do > people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in > straight lines? > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:51 PM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement, and I am sure others will cover it.. My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops! This could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the wheel ass backwards when the prop comes around. Denis On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote: > 1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing. > > or > > 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the > ground. > > Either way works. > john > > Brian Meyette wrote: >> >> Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a >> trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? >> >> I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV >> backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs >> under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it >> wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I >> was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by >> removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing >> around so it was castering backwards. >> >> But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, >> they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How >> do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only >> in straight lines? >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:32 PM PST US From: Hadley Heinrichs Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Brian, just finished my wheel pants...use a tow bar. make sure you order the one that is the proper size for the vans hole you drill. about 5/8" i think, double check. spruce has them..DO NOT ORDER THE UNIVERSAL ONE like i did, it will not fit without cutting and maybe welding. modifying mine is on my list. great that your STI is getting closer. i did many hours of research last night. mine is NOT an STI it is a WRX... http://opposedforces.com/parts/forester/us_s11/type_7/engine/engine_assembly/ my number EJ255BXTBB, the EJ257 is the STI series. ours has a different piston and different heads and may be 8.4 to 1, the other differences were turbo and peripherals. important to know if you change pistons etc. mine just needs supercharger setup and new computer install. then she is ready. cheers, Had ________________________________ From: Brian Meyette Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38:04 PM Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:19 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Someone said: " I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nose wheel backwards" Do not try this when the aircraft is considered airworthy. When the Allen screw stops are removed from the top of the nose wheel fork allowing the nose wheel to rotate 360 degrees, the nose wheel can get into the prop arc. Sooner or later it will happen. With the engine not running some paint damage, fiberglass damage, prop damage and some level of injury to your pride are all quite possible. Should this Prop nose fork interference happen with the engine running the result will at the very least spoil a nose wheel, a prop and the whole of the rest of your day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.448) Database version: 6.13350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:12 PM PST US From: Charles Ennis Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? If you plan on backing up on grass, a tow bar is the easiest way to go. By the way, we need to be very careful pushing down on the hor. stabilizers. Most mechanics can tell stories about damage to the mounting hardware and adjacent airframe brackets..... if you must raise the front by pushing on the back, try to push on the fuselage ahead of the vert stab....or at the very least 1 person on each side on the hor. stab. The uneven loading and the bending moment on the fasteners and mounting brackets can do some damage. C. Ennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Meyette Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? > Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How > do you get a trigear RV > to move backwards in other than a straight line? > > I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV > backwards out > of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under > load. When I > tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; > the nosewheel > castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I > eventually got it to > move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and > letting the > wheel swing around so it was castering > backwards. > > But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, > they aren't > going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do > people back up > their completed planes? Just plan to move only in > straight lines? > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:58 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Actually its very easy. First dont have any help they will just turn the ai rcraft to one side Second make sure there is the correct amount of resistan ce when turning the front wheel. It takes a little practice, but not much, just go slow and push in the direction the wheel is pointing. I have never had any problems (for 6 years) backing up our 8a unless the wind is really blowing, then it takes 2. Scott =0ARV-8a =0A --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Brian Meyette wrote: From: Brian Meyette Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? =0A=0A=0AHere's =0Aan odd question I've never seen before.-- How do you get a trigear RV =0Ato move backwards in other than a straight line?=0A- =0AI just =0Afinished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my-RV back wards out of =0Aits corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. -- When I =0Atried to make a turn while pushing-it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel =0Acastered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.- - I eventually got =0Ait to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting =0Athe wheel swing around so it was castering b ackwards.--- =0A=0A-=0ABut if =0Asomeone's got a completed plane, w ith nosewheel fairings, they-aren't going =0Ato take off the fairing to r emove the stops.- How do people back up their =0Acompleted planes?-- Just plan to move only in straight =0Alines?=0A=0A=0A Actually its very easy=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:39 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? I think you need one of two things ..... a towbar, or slow down as you push back while you bump the nose left/right as needed. At our Grumman conventions we have a contest ..... push an AA-1 backwards through a winding path made of cones .... shortest time wins. Before you take the stops out ..... make sure the wheel pants won't end up in the prop arc. The little Grummans will .... and have. Linn Brian Meyette wrote: > Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a > trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? > > I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards > out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. > When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the > nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I > eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel > castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering > backwards. > > But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, > they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do > people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in > straight lines? > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:40 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? That's easy: Convert it to a tailwheel configuration... :-) Matt At 01:38 PM 9/25/2009 Friday, you wrote: >Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? > >I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. > >But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:18 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Tow Bar Here is the one I use: http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=8119 I also order and installed this: *RVa Tow Pin Kit * ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009AugDecFlying.htm Brian Meyette wrote: > Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a > trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? > > I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV > backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under > load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't > turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was > stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the > wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was > castering backwards. > > But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, > they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do > people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in > straight lines? > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:56 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: RV-List: RVa Tow Pin Kit Forgot to add the website, scroll to the bottom: http://www.bogert-av.com/whats_new.php -- ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009AugDecFlying.htm ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:18 PM PST US From: Mike De Lange Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? Sure can - I'm actually working on a general system overview diagram that should be able to describe it better than I ever could in words. Once I finish it I'll post it on the list here. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Ralph Finch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:32:30 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: IO-320 Fuel System Diagram?? Say--can you summarize what you learned and what you will do? Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:31 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? yes, I noticed this and turned it around before starting the engine run the prop tip was very close to the tire before I turned it back where it shoudl be _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denis Walsh Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement, and I am sure others will cover it.. My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops! This could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the wheel ass backwards when the prop comes around. Denis On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote: 1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing. or 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground. Either way works. john Brian Meyette wrote: Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution 05:51:00 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:02 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Well, I would love to do that for an RV-10, but Van's is not about to provide any support for such a beast, and I doubt the tail structure is stressed for a tail wheel, and it would be a bitch to try to remount the main gear mounts. Matt Dralle wrote: > > That's easy: Convert it to a tailwheel configuration... > > :-) > > Matt > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:46 PM PST US From: "charlie heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? At first I used tow bar, then got to where I could back it including turning.U put hands on the air intake holes, and push left to turn it right. It take practice and go real slow at first, caution, do not let anyone help. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Meyette To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 15:38 Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? Here's an odd question I've never seen before. How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line? I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load. When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck. I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards. But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do people back up their completed planes? Just plan to move only in straight lines? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:23 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? OMG... Get a rope! --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Brian Meyette wrote: > From: Brian Meyette > Subject: RV-List: how do you back up an A model RV? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:38 PM > > > > > > > Here's > an odd question I've never seen before. How > do you get a trigear RV > to move backwards in other than a straight > line? > > I just > finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push > myRV backwards out of > its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under > load. When I > tried to make a turn while pushingit back, it > wouldn't turn; the nosewheel > castered until it hit the stop, then I was > stuck. I eventually got > it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel > castering stops and letting > the wheel swing around so it was castering > backwards. > > > But if > someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel > fairings, theyaren't going > to take off the fairing to remove the stops. How do > people back up their > completed planes? Just plan to move only in > straight > lines? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.