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1. 06:24 AM - Fuel System Diagram (Mike De Lange)
2. 08:11 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (John Morgensen)
3. 10:11 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (William Davis)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (peter laurence)
5. 05:25 PM - Replacing Canopy - Bucktails? (J Riffel)
6. 06:14 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Ralph Finch)
7. 06:40 PM - wiring in a music input (Jason Edwards)
8. 07:11 PM - Re: wiring in a music input (John Jessen)
9. 08:12 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Charlie England)
10. 08:12 PM - Re: Replacing Canopy - Bucktails? (Greg Young)
11. 08:53 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Vanremog@aol.com)
12. 09:42 PM - Re: Leaky air inlets on RV-9A (Stan VanGrunsven)
13. 10:22 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Kelly McMullen)
14. 10:28 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Fuel System Diagram |
Hi All,
Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are interested.
It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel injection system. It's
very simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole system would be.
I still haven't decided if I'm going with the Van's boost pump kit or the one
from Andair yet. Any suggestions? :)
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
My plans are similar but I don't understand the benefit of the gas collator.
John Morgensen
RV4 - Flying
RV9A - wiring
Grumman AA1B-150 For Sale
Mike De Lange wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are interested.
It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel injection system. It's
very simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole system would be.
I still haven't decided if I'm going with the Van's boost pump kit or the
one from Andair yet. Any suggestions? :)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
Hi Mike,
I suggest that you eliminate the gascolator. It is totally
unnecessary and a real source of potential leaks.
It cannot be the lowest point in the system, the lowest points are
the tank drains, and the filter will take care
of any debris. Personally, I would put the flow transducer inside
the firewall down stream of
the boost pump. This gives you a better chance to get a straight run
up stream of it, helps to eliminate
bubbles. This set-up has worked well for me through 4 RV's
Bill
On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Mike De Lange wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are
> interested. It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel
> injection system. It's very simple - a lot more simplistic than I
> thought the whole system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm
> going with the Van's boost pump kit or the one from Andair yet.
> Any suggestions? :)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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>
> http://www.flickr.com/gift/<FuelSystem.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
Mike,
I made my fuel manifold for my RV9A. Bought an Auto racing pump, which in
my opinion is as good as Van's. I picked up the check valve and the pressure
valve at Sun N Fun a couple of years ago.I think the AN fittings ended up
costing more that the rest of the components.
However, After seeing Andair's pump, I going going with it and eliminating
all those fittings and parts.
Peter
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Mike De Lange <squishyoleo@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are
> interested. It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel injection
> system. It's very simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole
> system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm going with the Van's boost
> pump kit or the one from Andair yet. Any suggestions? :)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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| Subject: | Replacing Canopy - Bucktails? |
Well, my canopy cracked - and I'm now replacing it.
What have folks done with the bucktails inside the canopy frame? Each of the
canopy frame sides, top and back pieces are closed so the bucktails fall
inside when you drill off the canopy. I'm thinking of drilling another hole
in each piece so I can get the bucktails out. Otherwise it'll sound like
maracas with all the bucktails shaking around.
Thoughts?
"Jerry" 106 hrs on RV7A
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| Subject: | Fuel System Diagram |
Thanks for this, I hope to be at this stage in a year...or two. Or longer,
well, I hope to be there.
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
RV-9A QB-SA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike De Lange
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:23 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram
Hi All,
Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are
interested. It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel injection
system. It's very simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole
system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm going with the Van's boost
pump kit or the one from Andair yet. Any suggestions? :)
Mike
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| Subject: | wiring in a music input |
I have an Icom IC-A200 radio with a sigtronics SPA-400. I would like to wir
e in an input jack for an Ipod. Can anyone advise on how to do this? I don'
t have a jack for the Ipod yet, because I don't know which one to pick.
-
The airplane is all complete, and the wiring in done. I'd just like to add
the input.
Any wiring guru's out there?
-
Thanks in advance,
Jason Edwards
RV-4 N28EW
Richland Center, Wisconsin.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: wiring in a music input |
You know that's not stereo, Jason. The SPA-400 is mono and you'd have to
get a RES-401 to go stereo, or upgrade to their SCI-S4...or, move over to PS
Engineering and get their PM-3000 model. Did you want to stay mono?
John J
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Jason Edwards <flyboyedwards@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I have an Icom IC-A200 radio with a sigtronics SPA-400. I would like to
> wire in an input jack for an Ipod. Can anyone advise on how to do this? I
> don't have a jack for the Ipod yet, because I don't know which one to pick.
>
> The airplane is all complete, and the wiring in done. I'd just like to add
> the input.
> Any wiring guru's out there?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jason Edwards
> RV-4 N28EW
> Richland Center, Wisconsin.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
Mike De Lange wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are interested.
It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel injection system. It's
very simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole system would be.
I still haven't decided if I'm going with the Van's boost pump kit or the
one from Andair yet. Any suggestions? :)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
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>
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Uh... I know that the Andair pump is bound to be perfect (at around 600
American dollars), but the specs say 16gph @ 25psi. Any good running
180-200hp Lyc will flow more than that at sea level full power.....
Charlie
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| Subject: | Replacing Canopy - Bucktails? |
Tilt the frame to gather them together. Squirt some epoxy or other glue thru
the nearest hole. Let dry and carry on.
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Riffel
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: RV-List: Replacing Canopy - Bucktails?
Well, my canopy cracked - and I'm now replacing it.
What have folks done with the bucktails inside the canopy frame? Each of the
canopy frame sides, top and back pieces are closed so the bucktails fall
inside when you drill off the canopy. I'm thinking of drilling another hole
in each piece so I can get the bucktails out. Otherwise it'll sound like
maracas with all the bucktails shaking around.
Thoughts?
"Jerry" 106 hrs on RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
I'm always baffled by this same misleading statement that has been trotted
out on the RV List time and time again. Read my lips, "a gascolator
doesn't have to be the lowest point in the system in order to do its job".
Where did this crazy idea come from? Look at a gascolator closely and
pretend you understand the physics of a heavier and more viscous fluid (water)
settling out by gravity with the help of a screen tight enough to let the
lighter less viscous fluid (fuel) preferentially float/flow thru. All a
gascolator needs to work is to be installed correctly (with the bowl facing
down and the curtis valve accesible for draining).
You don't have to shake a rattle, do a chant or pray.
It's science.
-GV
In a message dated 9/28/2009 10:12:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rvpilot@embarqmail.com writes:
I suggest that you eliminate the gascolator. It is totally
unnecessary and a real source of potential leaks.
It cannot be the lowest point in the system, the lowest points are
the tank drains, and the filter will take care
of any debris.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaky air inlets on RV-9A |
Hi Ian,
When we first flew the 6-A, in early spring, it leaked something awful.
When the first passenger flew, his jacket sleeve was being tugged at by
the air leaking OUT at the upper rail where we had not sealed the slider
canopy. What I'm saying is that the low pressure over the wing was
pulling air out of the cabin from every available hole. When we sealed
the canopy sides above the wing most of the other areas were much more
managable. We used some "V" seal with the opening blocking the
direction of flow which is Out above the wing and IN along the rear
skirt. Some other type seals also work, like "P" seals where the "bulb"
is flexable enough move in the direction of air flow and get pushed
against skirt or skin.
I hope this helps; many builders have never dealt with this area first.
Best wishes,
Stan VanGrunsven RV-6A April 1998
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:37 AM
Subject: RV-List: Leaky air inlets on RV-9A
My RV-9A is starting to chill my wife! As the weather gets cooler
we've noticed significant amounts of air coming in through the control
stick holes and also out of the edges of the mounting of the eyeball
vents. The Van's drawing calls for the removal of the fourth hole on
the mounting (the one you would catch your leg on) and this seems to
result in a slightly open joint, especially under air pressure. What
have others done about both problems. I realize putting a boot over
the stick will help that area, but unfortunately I just bought nice
looking automotive gear shift boots that have lots of fancy little holes
in them! Any ideas for what material would be light, flexible and
draughtproof??
Beautiful flying day!
Ian Brown
Bromont, QC, C-GOHM
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
My 200 hp IO 360 Mooney flows about 16.8 to 17.5 on takeoff depending on
temperature and how close to sea level elevation. 16 gph capacity would
be more than enough for 160 hp IO320.
Charlie England wrote:
>
> Mike De Lange wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for those who are
>> interested. It's for an IO-320 with the Precision Airmotive fuel
>> injection system. It's very simple - a lot more simplistic than I
>> thought the whole system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm
>> going with the Van's boost pump kit or the one from Andair yet. Any
>> suggestions? :)
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
>> http://www.flickr.com/gift/
> Uh... I know that the Andair pump is bound to be perfect (at around 600
> American dollars), but the specs say 16gph @ 25psi. Any good running
> 180-200hp Lyc will flow more than that at sea level full power.....
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel System Diagram |
And you are going to guarantee that an engine pump designed to generate
25 psi isn't going to have enough suction to lift the
gascolator(designed for low pressure carb systems) valve off its seat
and suck air??? Why do you need another water separator when the tanks
should do the job at the quick drains?
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> I'm always baffled by this same misleading statement that has been
> trotted out on the RV List time and time again. Read my lips, "a
> gascolator doesn't have to be the lowest point in the system in order to
> do its job".
>
> Where did this crazy idea come from? Look at a gascolator closely and
> pretend you understand the physics of a heavier and more viscous fluid
> (water) settling out by gravity with the help of a screen tight enough
> to let the lighter less viscous fluid (fuel) preferentially float/flow
> thru. All a gascolator needs to work is to be installed correctly (with
> the bowl facing down and the curtis valve accesible for draining).
>
> You don't have to shake a rattle, do a chant or pray.
>
> It's science.
>
> -GV
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2009 10:12:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rvpilot@embarqmail.com writes:
>
> I suggest that you eliminate the gascolator. It is totally
> unnecessary and a real source of potential leaks.
> It cannot be the lowest point in the system, the lowest points are
> the tank drains, and the filter will take care
> of any debris.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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