---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/29/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Charles Kuss) 2. 02:45 AM - Re: wiring in a music input (Charles Kuss) 3. 04:22 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Charles Kuss) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: wiring in a music input () 5. 07:10 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Glen Matejcek) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel System Diagram (Panama Red) 7. 09:38 AM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (Mike De Lange) 8. 06:04 PM - Re: Fuel System Diagram (William Davis) 9. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Fuel System Diagram (Vanremog@aol.com) 10. 09:13 PM - Tip-up Canopy Lift Lock (Joe & Jan Connell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:04 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram Mike, Most folks don't use a gascolator on a fuel injected engine. Unless you plan to use an Andair gascolator, most others are NOT designed for the sealing surfaces to withstand the 25 psi of a fuel injected system. That means you'll probably have fuel leaks with the electric pump turned on. I would suggest that you do one of three things. #1 Simply eliminate the gascolator #2 Swap places between your gascolator and the 6ILA fuel filter. #3 Install a gascolator [or 4ILA fuel filter] in each wing root and eliminate the fuel filter and gascolator in the positions shown in your diagram. The 4ILA is a slightly smaller version of the 6ILA fuel filter. It is easier to fit into the wing root area. The Flow Ezy 6ILA is sold by both Vans and Airflow Performance. RV-9A builder Chris Heitman's company, Pegasus Auto Racing carries the 4ILA filter. See http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=3469 Charlie Kuss > Mike De Lange wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram for > those who are interested. It's for an IO-320 with the > Precision Airmotive fuel injection system. It's very > simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the whole > system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm going > with the Van's boost pump kit or the one from Andair > yet. Any suggestions? :) > > > > > > Mike ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:40 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring in a music input Jason, Another option for a stereo intercom is the Flightcom 403LSA. See http://www.flightcom.net/intercoms/403lsa-intercom.php Charlie Kuss --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Jason Edwards wrote: > From: Jason Edwards > Subject: RV-List: wiring in a music input > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:34 PM > I > have an Icom IC-A200 radio with a sigtronics SPA-400. I > would like to wire in an input jack for an Ipod. Can anyone > advise on how to do this? I don't have a jack for the > Ipod yet, because I don't know which one to pick. > > The airplane is all complete, and the wiring in done. > I'd just like to add the input. > Any wiring guru's out there? > > Thanks in advance, > Jason Edwards > RV-4 N28EW > Richland Center, Wisconsin. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:16 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram Mike, I would strongly suggest you read the post on the VAF WWW site by Don Rivera [owner of Airflow Performance] at the link below. See http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=354763&postcount=4 The entire thread can be found below http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47463 Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Charles Kuss wrote: > From: Charles Kuss > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 5:35 AM > Mike, > Most folks don't use a gascolator on a fuel injected > engine. Unless you plan to use an Andair gascolator, most > others are NOT designed for the sealing surfaces to > withstand the 25 psi of a fuel injected system. That means > you'll probably have fuel leaks with the electric pump > turned on. > I would suggest that you do one of three things. > #1 Simply eliminate the gascolator > #2 Swap places between your gascolator and the 6ILA fuel > filter. > #3 Install a gascolator [or 4ILA fuel filter] in each wing > root and eliminate the fuel filter and gascolator in the > positions shown in your diagram. The 4ILA is a slightly > smaller version of the 6ILA fuel filter. It is easier to fit > into the wing root area. The Flow Ezy 6ILA is sold by both > Vans and Airflow Performance. RV-9A builder Chris Heitman's > company, Pegasus Auto Racing carries the 4ILA filter. See > > http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=3469 > > Charlie Kuss > > > Mike De Lange wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Here's a preliminary fuel system overview diagram > for > > those who are interested. It's for an IO-320 with > the > > Precision Airmotive fuel injection system. It's > very > > simple - a lot more simplistic than I thought the > whole > > system would be. I still haven't decided if I'm > going > > with the Van's boost pump kit or the one from Andair > > yet. Any suggestions? :) > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:01 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring in a music input I bought the Softcom Stereo Icom and it comes with a wiring harness for just over $200. Not yet flying but it is almost installed. Ron Burnett RV-6A finishing Do not archieve ---- Charles Kuss wrote: ============ Jason, Another option for a stereo intercom is the Flightcom 403LSA. See http://www.flightcom.net/intercoms/403lsa-intercom.php Charlie Kuss --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Jason Edwards wrote: > From: Jason Edwards > Subject: RV-List: wiring in a music input > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:34 PM > I > have an Icom IC-A200 radio with a sigtronics SPA-400. I > would like to wire in an input jack for an Ipod. Can anyone > advise on how to do this? I don't have a jack for the > Ipod yet, because I don't know which one to pick. > > The airplane is all complete, and the wiring in done. > I'd just like to add the input. > Any wiring guru's out there? > > Thanks in advance, > Jason Edwards > RV-4 N28EW > Richland Center, Wisconsin. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:25 AM PST US From: Glen Matejcek Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel System Diagram >Why do you need another water separator when the tanks >should do the job at the quick drains? Although one can argue they "should" do the job, I have drained quite a bit of trash and water out of gascolators over the years. Especially from planes with flush fuel caps. Throw in some acro to stir things up, and now there is water in the fuel injection system. To each his own, but my money (and rear end) is on the simple physics of a gascolator. Glen Matejcek ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:30 AM PST US From: "Panama Red" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel System Diagram > To each his own, but my money (and rear end) is on the simple physics of a > gascolator. Simple physics of the gascolator may get one killed while in sustained inverted flight! Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:58 AM PST US From: Mike De Lange Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram I've heard good points and bad about the usage of a gascolator from many people. But regardless of what I may think about it one way or the other, here in Canada it's law to install one so I really have no choice. As for the placement of the fuel flow transducer, if your boost pump is off does that affect your fuel flow reading at all? I can see the benefit of putting it where you suggest since it also eliminates another run through the firewall. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: William Davis Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:03:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram Hi Mike, I suggest that you eliminate the gascolator. It is totally unnecessary and a real source of potential leaks. It cannot be the lowest point in the system, the lowest points are the tank drains, and the filter will take care of any debris. Personally, I would put the flow transducer inside the firewall down stream of the boost pump. This gives you a better chance to get a straight run up stream of it, helps to eliminate bubbles. This set-up has worked well for me through 4 RV's Bill __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:57 PM PST US From: William Davis Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram Mike, If you gotta have that thing, then figure out some way to mount it upstream of the boost pump. The boost pump being on or off will not affect the fuel flow reading other than a momentary blip when it goes on. Bill On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Mike De Lange wrote: > > I've heard good points and bad about the usage of a gascolator from > many people. But regardless of what I may think about it one way > or the other, here in Canada it's law to install one so I really > have no choice. > > As for the placement of the fuel flow transducer, if your boost > pump is off does that affect your fuel flow reading at all? I can > see the benefit of putting it where you suggest since it also > eliminates another run through the firewall. > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: William Davis > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:03:09 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel System Diagram > > > Hi Mike, > > I suggest that you eliminate the gascolator. It is totally > unnecessary and a real source of potential leaks. > It cannot be the lowest point in the system, the lowest points are > the tank drains, and the filter will take care > of any debris. Personally, I would put the flow transducer inside > the firewall down stream of > the boost pump. This gives you a better chance to get a straight > run up stream of it, helps to eliminate > bubbles. This set-up has worked well for me through 4 RV's > > Bill > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:52 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel System Diagram Bob- Please explain how this would occur provided that the device were properly installed and purged of water before flight. -GV In a message dated 9/29/2009 9:28:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, panamared505@brier.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Panama Red" > To each his own, but my money (and rear end) is on the simple physics of a > gascolator. Simple physics of the gascolator may get one killed while in sustained inverted flight! Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:05 PM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: RV-List: Tip-up Canopy Lift Lock If you have a tip-up canopy on your RV, there is a lock that can attached to the gas strut. It prevents the canopy from slamming shut from wind gusts or prop wash. To lower the canopy, slide the locking rod away from the body of the gas cylinder. It's available from Advance Auto Parts for $8.49, Part number 8200. 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