---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/01/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:16 AM - PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:43 AM - Using the firmer engine mounts. (charlie heathco) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: Using the firmer engine mounts. (Linn Walters) 3. 06:00 AM - Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (N616TB) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Linn Walters) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (N616TB) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Kyle Boatright) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Linn Walters) 8. 06:59 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Darrell Reiley) 9. 08:10 AM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Robin Marks) 10. 10:49 AM - Re: Using the firmer engine mounts. (Michael Kraus) 11. 05:04 PM - Re: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:53 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. 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All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:53 AM PST US From: "charlie heathco" Subject: RV-List: Using the firmer engine mounts. I only have 280 or so hrs on my 6a, but engine saging at least 3/8th inch at prop. I can lift it up about 1/4 inch, so mounts need replacing for sure. I have heard of the aerobatic mounts, Im told they can make for more vibration, being stiffer. Think its counter productive to use Vans as replacement, as these have relative low time. I dont realy do much arebatics, but like to do up to 5g pulls. Would like coments from anyone who has replaced mounts with the stiffer ones. Charlie H ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:11 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Using the firmer engine mounts. The stiffer aerobatic mounts keep the engine from moving around during violent maneuvers. Your mount sagging is plainly due to constant pressure, not the transient pressure of aerobatics. My suggestion ..... because I'm cheap .... is to place washers under the lower mounts to raise the engine back up. My experience says that once the mounts are compressed and have some age on them ..... they quit sagging. At some point you may want to swap the top ones with the bottom. Remember that the harder the mounts, the more vibration is transferred to the airframe with fatigue becoming a problem .... especially if you have mechanical gyros. Linn charlie heathco wrote: > I only have 280 or so hrs on my 6a, but engine saging at least 3/8th > inch at prop. I can lift it up about 1/4 inch, so mounts need > replacing for sure. I have heard of the aerobatic mounts, Im told they > can make for more vibration, being stiffer. Think its counter > productive to use Vans as replacement, as these have relative low > time. I dont realy do much arebatics, but like to do up to 5g pulls. > Would like coments from anyone who has replaced mounts with the > stiffer ones. Charlie H > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:10 AM PST US From: "N616TB" Subject: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone have any photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, and what if anything is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate any feedback on this simple thing. Thanks Tim Bryan RV-6 Frankston, Texas The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:07 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. Tim , unless you've changed your tubes to 90 degree stems, I think you're stuck with the aggravation. I've converted my wheels to take the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them. Linn do not archive. N616TB wrote: > > My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year > and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air > in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in > the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone have any > photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, > and what if anything is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate > any feedback on this simple thing. > > Thanks > > > > *Tim Bryan* > > *RV-6* > > *Frankston, Texas* > > /The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime!/ > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:50 AM PST US From: "N616TB" Subject: RE: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. I am not sure I follow. My stems point straight away from the tire, does that mean I have the 90 degree stems you are referring to? Tim Bryan BT Systems The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime! From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. Tim , unless you've changed your tubes to 90 degree stems, I think you're stuck with the aggravation. I've converted my wheels to take the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them. Linn do not archive. N616TB wrote: My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone have any photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, and what if anything is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate any feedback on this simple thing. Thanks Tim Bryan RV-6 Frankston, Texas The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime! href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:47 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. I purchased little snap in plugs at Home Depot. They carry sizes ranging from 1/4" to over 1". I think mine are 7/8". The plugs come in plastic and polished (stainless?) steel. I got the steel ones. Aircraft Spruce also carries little hinged doors if you want to spend 20 bucks instead of $2. To locate the holes, all I did was measure the distance from the axle of the wheel to the center of the valve stem, then drilled a 7/8" hole that distance from the hole in the wheelpant where the bolt goes into the axle nut. It was probably 2" or 2 1/4", but don't trust that measurement - measure for yourself. On mine, the hole is in the front half of the wheelpant, but I'm not sure that's important. Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 ----- Original Message ----- From: N616TB To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone have any photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, and what if anything is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate any feedback on this simple thing. Thanks Tim Bryan RV-6 Frankston, Texas The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:34 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. If the stem points out the side, parallel to the axel, then you have the 90 degree stem, and all is cool. If the valve stem points roughly in the direction of the axle nut, it is a straight stem. If you have the 90 degree stem, make a hole ..... I like the area under the wheel pant nut ..... so that the hole allows a straight connection to the valve stem. You'll need to go to someplace like a truck tire store to get a straight extension. Slip this through the hole. screw it onto the valve stem, and air up the tire. I do not put X pounds in the tire. I inflate until the outside ring of tread lifts off the ground. I was taught this by a very experienced friend. I get good, even, wear on my tires with this method. May not work with the Van's gear though ..... but I'll find out when the time comes. Oh, don't make the hole very big .... just enough to get the extender through. Fill the hole with a stainless steel plug ..... but straighten all but about 3 or 4 of the tangs, otherwise it'll eat up the edges of the hole in the wheel pant. Oh yeah ..... paint a stripe if white paint on the sidewall of the tire ..... in the inside so you can see it as you pull the airplane forward ....... pointing at the stem ...... so when it's vertical, the stem should be pointing at the hole in the sheel pant. Linn N616TB wrote: > > I am not sure I follow. My stems point straight away from the tire, > does that mean I have the 90 degree stems you are referring to? > > > > *Tim Bryan* > > *BT Systems* > > /The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime!/ > > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters > *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:17 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. > > > > Tim , unless you've changed your tubes to 90 degree stems, I think > you're stuck with the aggravation. I've converted my wheels to take > the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them. > Linn > do not archive. > > N616TB wrote: > > My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year > and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air > in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in > the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone have any > photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, > and what if anything is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate > any feedback on this simple thing. > > Thanks > > > > *Tim Bryan* > > *RV-6* > > *Frankston, Texas* > > /The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime!/ > > * * > * * > * href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com* > * href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com* > * href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com* > * href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > * href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > > > > * * > * * > www.aeroelectric.com > www.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/c= > -Matt Dralle, List - The RV-List Email Forum utilities such as > List Photoshare, and much much --> > http://www.matronics.================ > http://forums.matronics.com===== > > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:54 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RE: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. Yes, you have the 90 degree stems. I installed camloc spring loaded doors. Darrell --- On Sun, 11/1/09, N616TB wrote: > From: N616TB > Subject: RE: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:30 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I follow. > My stems point straight away from the > tire, does that mean I have the 90 degree stems you are > referring to? > > > > > > Tim Bryan > > BT Systems > > The pursuit of happiness is the > chase of a lifetime! > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Linn Walters > > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:17 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through > the wheel pants. > > > > > > > > Tim , unless you've changed your > tubes to 90 degree stems, I > think you're stuck with the aggravation. I've > converted my wheels to take > the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them. > > Linn > > do not archive. > > > > N616TB wrote: > > My Wheel pants have been > installed on my airplane for less than > a year and I am already finding the disadvantage of > checking/ filling the air > in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of > putting holes in the > wheel pants for access to the valve stem. Does anyone > have any photos on > their building sites of where to put these holes, how big, > and what if anything > is used to plug the holes? I would appreciate any > feedback on this simple > thing. > > Thanks > > > > > > Tim Bryan > > RV-6 > > Frankston, Texas > > > The pursuit of happiness is the > chase of a lifetime! > > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com > > http://www.matronics.com/c > -Matt Dralle, List > - The RV-List > Email Forum utilities such as List Photoshare, and much much > --> http://www.matronics.=============== > http://forums.matronics.com ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. From: "Robin Marks" Here is a photo of an RV-8 I saw at Copper State last week: http://picasaweb.google.com/marks.robin/CopperStateFlyIn2009#53985389645 06041954 With a door this size I don't think it matters what type of stem you have however the S/S plug and a 90 degree stem sound like a better idea to me, especially if your pants are already painted. Robin From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. If the stem points out the side, parallel to the axel, then you have the 90 degree stem, and all is cool. If the valve stem points roughly in the direction of the axle nut, it is a straight stem. If you have the 90 degree stem, make a hole ..... I like the area under the wheel pant nut ..... so that the hole allows a straight connection to the valve stem. You'll need to go to someplace like a truck tire store to get a straight extension. Slip this through the hole. screw it onto the valve stem, and air up the tire. I do not put X pounds in the tire. I inflate until the outside ring of tread lifts off the ground. I was taught this by a very experienced friend. I get good, even, wear on my tires with this method. May not work with the Van's gear though ..... but I'll find out when the time comes. Oh, don't make the hole very big .... just enough to get the extender through. Fill the hole with a stainless steel plug ..... but straighten all but about 3 or 4 of the tangs, otherwise it'll eat up the edges of the hole in the wheel pant. Oh yeah ..... paint a stripe if white paint on the sidewall of the tire ..... in the inside so you can see it as you pull the airplane forward ....... pointing at the stem ...... so when it's vertical, the stem should be pointing at the hole in the sheel pant. Linn N616TB wrote: I am not sure I follow. My stems point straight away from the tire, does that mean I have the 90 degree stems you are referring to? Tim Bryan BT Systems The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime! From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants. Tim , unless you've changed your tubes to 90 degree stems, I think you're stuck with the aggravation. I've converted my wheels to take the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them. Linn do not archive. N616TB wrote: My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a year and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling the air in the tires. I am sure there has been discussion of putting holes in the wheel pants for access to the valve stem. 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Time: 10:49:24 AM PST US
From: Michael Kraus 
Subject: Re: RV-List: Using the firmer engine mounts.

I had the same issue, installed washers and it fixed the issue.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Linn Walters   
wrote:

> The stiffer aerobatic mounts keep the engine from moving around  
> during violent maneuvers.  Your mount sagging is plainly due to  
> constant pressure, not the transient pressure of aerobatics.  My  
> suggestion ..... because I'm cheap .... is to place washers under  
> the lower mounts to raise the engine back up.  My experience says  
> that once the mounts are compressed and have some age on them .....  
> they quit sagging.  At some point you may want to swap the top ones  
> with the bottom.  Remember that the harder the mounts, the more  
> vibration is transferred to the airframe with fatigue becoming a  
> problem .... especially if you have mechanical gyros.
> Linn
>
>
> charlie heathco wrote:
>>
>> I only have 280 or so hrs on my 6a, but engine saging at least  
>> 3/8th inch at prop. I can lift it up about 1/4 inch, so mounts need  
>> replacing for sure. I have heard of the aerobatic mounts, Im told  
>> they can make for more vibration, being stiffer. Think its counter  
>> productive to use Vans as replacement, as these have relative low  
>> time. I dont realy do much arebatics, but like to do up to 5g  
>> pulls. Would like coments from anyone who has replaced mounts with  
>> the stiffer ones. Charlie H
>>
>>
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>>
>
>

________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 05:04:55 PM PST US
From: Charlie England 
Subject: Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants.


Linn's method works best for me, with one minor change. Harbor Freight 
has this air chuck:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=41891
Notice that the business end is straight, not angled. It has a latch to 
clip it on the stem. If you hacksaw off the latch, it will easily go 
straight through your new hole in in the pant & you can air the tire 
without an extension. (The gauge on mine is way off, but that's easy 
enough to compensate for once you know how much it's off (if you even 
bother with measuring pressure; some don't.)

I still carry a screw-on extension in my emergency spares bag in the 
plane, but for airing tires at home the $8 tire chuck is a lot more 
convenient.

Charlie

Linn Walters wrote:
> If the stem points out the side, parallel to the axel, then you have 
> the 90 degree stem, and all is cool.  If the valve stem points roughly 
> in the direction of the axle nut, it is a straight stem.  If you have 
> the 90 degree stem, make a hole ..... I like the area under the wheel 
> pant nut ..... so that the hole allows a straight connection to the 
> valve stem.  You'll need to go to someplace like a truck tire store to 
> get a straight extension.  Slip this through the hole. screw it onto 
> the valve stem, and air up the tire.  I do not put X pounds in the 
> tire.  I inflate until the outside ring of tread lifts off the 
> ground.  I was taught this by a very experienced friend.  I get good, 
> even, wear on my tires with this method.  May not work with the Van's 
> gear though ..... but I'll find out when the time comes.  Oh, don't 
> make the hole very big .... just enough to get the extender through.  
> Fill the hole with a stainless steel plug ..... but straighten all but 
> about 3 or 4 of the tangs, otherwise it'll eat up the edges of the 
> hole in the wheel pant.  Oh yeah ..... paint a stripe if white paint 
> on the sidewall of the tire ..... in the inside so you can see it as 
> you pull the airplane forward ....... pointing at the stem ...... so 
> when it's vertical, the stem should be pointing at the hole in the 
> sheel pant.
> Linn
>
>
> N616TB wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure I follow.  My stems point straight away from the tire, 
>> does that mean I have the 90 degree stems you are referring to?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Tim Bryan*
>>
>> *BT Systems*
>>
>> /The pursuit of happiness is the chase of a lifetime!/
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com 
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:17 AM
>> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Airing up the tires through the wheel pants.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tim , unless you've changed your tubes to 90 degree stems, I think 
>> you're stuck with the aggravation.  I've converted my wheels to take 
>> the 90 degree tubes, but am far from using them.
>> Linn
>> do not archive.
>>
>> N616TB wrote:
>>
>> My Wheel pants have been installed on my airplane for less than a 
>> year and I am already finding the disadvantage of checking/ filling 
>> the air in the tires.  I am sure there has been discussion of putting 
>> holes in the wheel pants for access to the valve stem.  Does anyone 
>> have any photos on their building sites of where to put these holes, 
>> how big, and what if anything is used to plug the holes?  I would 
>> appreciate any feedback on this simple thing.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Tim Bryan*
>>
>> *RV-6*
>>
>> *Frankston, Texas*
>>


 

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