---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/17/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:20 PM - RV6A Project Resurrected (Norman Hunger) 2. 05:47 PM - Re: RV6A Project Resurrected (Ralph E. Capen) 3. 05:52 PM - Brakes (Norman Hunger) 4. 05:52 PM - LED Interior Lights (Norman Hunger) 5. 06:34 PM - Re: Brakes (Kelly McMullen) 6. 06:54 PM - Re: LED Interior Lights (jhnstniii@aol.com) 7. 06:54 PM - Re: LED Interior Lights (Hadley Heinrichs) 8. 07:14 PM - Re: Brakes (Bret Smith) 9. 07:24 PM - Re: Brakes (Tom Gummo) 10. 09:13 PM - Re: Brakes (Kelly McMullen) 11. 09:21 PM - Re: LED Interior Lights (Mike Divan) 12. 10:03 PM - Re: LED Interior Lights (David Nelson) 13. 10:37 PM - Re: Brakes (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:17 PM PST US From: Norman Hunger Subject: RV-List: RV6A Project Resurrected Hi everybody, I'm restarting an RV6A kit and would like to say hello. I was hoping to hang out here and ask questions from time to time. I was a part of this list many years ago and found it very helpful. I purchased my slow build from Van in 1996 and worked hard for about 5 years 2300 hours. I got to the finishing kit then moved into a house with not enough room. I spent years arguing with my city to allow a big garage extension and then over a year building. I've now built shelves for everything and have unpacked all my old building stuff. I'm ready to get back to building. I have always planned to get my engine from Bart at Aerosport Power. I would like the latest version of a fuel injected dual alternator CS engine that will mount a Sam James cowl and Vetterman exhaust with mufflers. Propeller selection might be more towards quiet and smooth over pure speed. I want to be quiet. I should ready to get the engine within the next year. I will probably head for Langley Airport when I am ready to fly. Does anyone know what the going price of a hanger there these days? Lease, purchase or rent? Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive Nov 17-09 - 16 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:34 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6A Project Resurrected Norman, You've described my airplane....except I have a slider..... AerosportPower IO360B1F6 with 9.2:1 pistons, LASAR Ignition, AFP injection, Vetterman Dual crossover heater muffflers, SJ cowl/plenum, dual alternators (both B&C), and MT 3 blade (quiet/smoooooth). Sorry, can't help with the hangar - but I can give you my stories of all of the above..... I'm in Laurel, DE...USA - other side of the continent (I'm guessing you're in British Columbia?!) Ralph Capen RV6A N822AR @ N06 43.8 hrs...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Hunger To: RV List Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6A Project Resurrected Hi everybody, I'm restarting an RV6A kit and would like to say hello. I was hoping to hang out here and ask questions from time to time. I was a part of this list many years ago and found it very helpful. I purchased my slow build from Van in 1996 and worked hard for about 5 years 2300 hours. I got to the finishing kit then moved into a house with not enough room. I spent years arguing with my city to allow a big garage extension and then over a year building. I've now built shelves for everything and have unpacked all my old building stuff. I'm ready to get back to building. I have always planned to get my engine from Bart at Aerosport Power. I would like the latest version of a fuel injected dual alternator CS engine that will mount a Sam James cowl and Vetterman exhaust with mufflers. Propeller selection might be more towards quiet and smooth over pure speed. I want to be quiet. I should ready to get the engine within the next year. I will probably head for Langley Airport when I am ready to fly. Does anyone know what the going price of a hanger there these days? Lease, purchase or rent? Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive Nov 17-09 - 16 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:24 PM PST US From: Norman Hunger Subject: RV-List: Brakes Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white plastic. Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can small AN fittings be used here? I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot point bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt all the way across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt on each side. The better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces the possibility of binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. Is this true? I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy brakes and the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders for stronger ones. Is this true? And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are now about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels and brakes? Do they work better? http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html Who makes the best tires? Thanks for your support.... Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive Nov 17-09 - 15 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:36 PM PST US From: Norman Hunger Subject: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Hi everybody, I'm looking for suggestions on interior LED lighting. I'm after some small fixtures to light the floor and luggage areas. Also looking for some kind of LED strip light to do the panel. Any ideas on sources? Thanks, Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Nov 17-09 - 10 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:54 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes http://www.bonacoinc.com/ I believe they have kits for your RV, but the website has little info beyond what hose and fittings they have available. Norman Hunger wrote: > Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and > noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white plastic. > Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can small AN > fittings be used here? > > I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot > point bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt all > the way across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt on each > side. The better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces the > possibility of binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. Is this true? > > I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy brakes and > the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders for stronger > ones. Is this true? > > And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are now > about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels and > brakes? Do they work better? > http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html > > Who makes the best tires? > > Thanks for your support.... > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > Nov 17-09 - 15 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Interior Lights From: jhnstniii@aol.com Norman--Check out www.aircraftextras.com for electroluminescent lighting strips. I remember your name from the list years ago. Glad you're back on the project. It's looking good. LeRoy Johnston RV-6A N176LD "Esperanza" 240+ hrs. Ohio -----Original Message----- From: Norman Hunger Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 8:51 pm Subject: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Hi everybody, I'm looking for suggestions on interior LED lighting. I'm af ter some small fixtures to light the floor and luggage areas. Also looking for some kind of LED strip light to do the panel. Any ideas on sources? Thanks, Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Nov 17-09 - 10 = ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:56 PM PST US From: Hadley Heinrichs Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Pep Boys! ________________________________ From: Norman Hunger Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 7:51:58 PM Subject: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Hi everybody, I'm looking for suggestions on interior LED lighting. I'm after some small fixtures to light the floor and luggage areas. Also looking for some kind of LED strip light to do the panel. Any ideas on sources? Thanks, Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Nov 17-09 - 10 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:19 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RE: RV-List: Brakes Call Brett at Bonaco, he knows exactly what you need. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes http://www.bonacoinc.com/ I believe they have kits for your RV, but the website has little info beyond what hose and fittings they have available. Norman Hunger wrote: > Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and > noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white plastic. > Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can small AN > fittings be used here? > > I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot > point bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt all > the way across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt on each > side. The better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces the > possibility of binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. Is this true? > > I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy brakes and > the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders for stronger > ones. Is this true? > > And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are now > about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels and > brakes? Do they work better? > http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html > > Who makes the best tires? > > Thanks for your support.... > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > Nov 17-09 - 15 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:13 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes On the non pressure side, they are nice as you can see if there is RED fluid in the lines. Tom Gummo Harmon Rocket II 370 hours and still smiling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes > > http://www.bonacoinc.com/ > I believe they have kits for your RV, but the website has little info > beyond what hose and fittings they have available. > > Norman Hunger wrote: >> Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and >> noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white plastic. >> Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can small AN >> fittings be used here? >> >> I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot point >> bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt all the way >> across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt on each side. The >> better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces the possibility of >> binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. Is this true? >> >> I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy brakes and >> the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders for stronger >> ones. Is this true? >> >> And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are now >> about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels and >> brakes? Do they work better? >> http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html >> >> Who makes the best tires? >> >> Thanks for your support.... >> Norman Hunger >> RV6A Delta BC >> Do not archive >> Nov 17-09 - 15 >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4615 (20091117) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:47 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes If you mean Mil 5606, consider an improvement: "Standard" brake fluid for GA aircraft is MIL-H-5606. This fluid has been around forever and works fine, but can be improved upon. MIL-H-83282 was introduced a few years back and is a synthetic upgrade. It performs better in every regard, but of special interest is the flash point. 5606 has a flash point of around 225 whereas 83282 is around 425. This can be a factor with RVs because there have been several reported cases of brake fires on RVs and some have taken the whole aircraft with it. Do yourself a favor, upgrade the standard MIL-H-5606 to MIL-H-83282: Royco 782 or Aero Shell 31. Tom Gummo wrote: > > On the non pressure side, they are nice as you can see if there is RED > fluid in the lines. > > Tom Gummo > Harmon Rocket II > 370 hours and still smiling. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes > > >> >> http://www.bonacoinc.com/ >> I believe they have kits for your RV, but the website has little info >> beyond what hose and fittings they have available. >> >> Norman Hunger wrote: >>> Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and >>> noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white plastic. >>> Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can small AN >>> fittings be used here? >>> >>> I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot >>> point bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt >>> all the way across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt >>> on each side. The better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces >>> the possibility of binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. Is >>> this true? >>> >>> I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy brakes >>> and the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders for >>> stronger ones. Is this true? >>> >>> And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are >>> now about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels >>> and brakes? Do they work better? >>> http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html >>> >>> Who makes the best tires? >>> >>> Thanks for your support.... >>> Norman Hunger >>> RV6A Delta BC >>> Do not archive >>> Nov 17-09 - 15 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4615 (20091117) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:18 PM PST US From: Mike Divan Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Interior Lights I got a strip of led lights from ACS. Used double sided tape under the glare shield and wired it to the dimmer for the post lights. Works great. FLEXIBLE LED INSTRUMENT LIGHTS - WITH CIGARETTE LIGHTER AND DIMMER Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 (flying) http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! Remember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"! ________________________________ From: Hadley Heinrichs Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 6:46:41 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Pep Boys! ________________________________ From: Norman Hunger Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 7:51:58 PM Subject: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Hi everybody, I'm looking for suggestions on interior LED lighting. I'm after some small fixtures to light the floor and luggage areas. Also looking for some kind of LED strip light to do the panel. Any ideas on sources? Thanks, Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Nov 17-09 - 10 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:02 PM PST US From: David Nelson Subject: Re: RV-List: LED Interior Lights Hi Norman, I'm planning on installing 2x (one for the pilot and one for the passenger) of these to the channel between the rollbar and rear bulkhead (tip-up). Each head has a pair of red and white LEDS that'll be controlled by a locally small switch to select either red or white. http://www.periheliondesign.com/ledlights.htm Regards, /\/elson On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Norman Hunger wrote: > Hi everybody, I'm looking for suggestions on interior LED lighting. I'm after > some small fixtures to light the floor and luggage areas. Also looking for > some kind of LED strip light to do the panel. Any ideas on sources? > > Thanks, > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > > > Nov 17-09 - 10 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:08 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes And Viton O-rings at the calipers. They're rated for higher temps. Pax, Ed Holyoke Kelly McMullen wrote: > > If you mean Mil 5606, consider an improvement: > "Standard" brake fluid for GA aircraft is MIL-H-5606. This fluid has > been around forever and works fine, but can be improved upon. > MIL-H-83282 was introduced a few years back and is a synthetic > upgrade. It performs better in every regard, but of special interest > is the flash point. 5606 has a flash point of around 225 whereas > 83282 is around 425. This can be a factor with RVs because there have > been several reported cases of brake fires on RVs and some have taken > the whole aircraft with it. Do yourself a favor, upgrade the standard > MIL-H-5606 to MIL-H-83282: Royco 782 or Aero Shell 31. > > Tom Gummo wrote: >> >> On the non pressure side, they are nice as you can see if there is >> RED fluid in the lines. >> >> Tom Gummo >> Harmon Rocket II >> 370 hours and still smiling. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:32 PM >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Brakes >> >> >>> >>> http://www.bonacoinc.com/ >>> I believe they have kits for your RV, but the website has little >>> info beyond what hose and fittings they have available. >>> >>> Norman Hunger wrote: >>>> Hi everybody, I'm poking around my long dormant resurrected kit and >>>> noticing the right side optional brake pedal lines are white >>>> plastic. Does any one sell a kit to do this with nicer lines? Can >>>> small AN fittings be used here? >>>> >>>> I was reading about a brake pedal improvement where the short pivot >>>> point bolts are replaced with AN3-60 bolts. The result is one bolt >>>> all the way across the bottom of the pedal instead of a single bolt >>>> on each side. The better alignment of the single bolt shaft reduces >>>> the possibility of binding and makes the pedals operate smoother. >>>> Is this true? >>>> >>>> I also read some time back about one complaining about draggy >>>> brakes and the need to upgrade the springs on the master cylinders >>>> for stronger ones. Is this true? >>>> >>>> And what about the brakes? My Vans wheels and brakes and tires are >>>> now about ten years old. Is it worth while to install Grove wheels >>>> and brakes? Do they work better? >>>> http://www.groveaircraft.com/56-1a.html >>>> >>>> Who makes the best tires? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your support.... >>>> Norman Hunger >>>> RV6A Delta BC >>>> Do not archive >>>> Nov 17-09 - 15 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4615 (20091117) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.