---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/20/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:16 AM - Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:06 AM - About Replying (Ian) 2. 05:55 AM - Re: Tip Up Canopy Question (Jim Sears) 3. 06:19 AM - Fw:LASAR cabling to computer (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 06:24 AM - Fw:LASAR cabling to computer (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 06:53 AM - Re: Tip Up Canopy Question (Ed Anderson) 6. 07:54 AM - Re: elevator trim, manual vs electric (Chris Stone) 7. 08:14 AM - Re: Tip Up Canopy Question (David Leonard) 8. 08:24 AM - Fuel tanks in Germany (Johnson) 9. 08:27 PM - Epic Riveting Day (emrath) 10. 08:29 PM - Gretz Heated Pitot Tube attaching (emrath) 11. 08:42 PM - Re: Gretz Heated Pitot Tube attaching (Mike Nellis) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:17 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great gift, now might be good time to show your support! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:42 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: About Replying From: Ian For those of you who wonder why the list is so long, and whether you can do anything to help reduce it, consider deleting most or all of the text of the message you are replying to. It would really help not to have to read someone else's privacy statement six times. Ideally, just keep the line or two of text relevant to what you are replying to. Respectfully, Ian Brown, RV-9A, Bromont, Quebec ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:57 AM PST US From: "Jim Sears" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question I don't have the strip, either. I do have those corner breaks, though. Both were done in cold weather. Drat! I'd thought about doing the strip to cover the corners; but, why bother? It flys just as well without it. :-) Jim Sears in KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Hunger" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question > Hi everybody, I last worked on this area many years ago and I think I > was planning on building a strip of fiberglass over this whole seam. > The holes in the plexi are only countersunk every second hole. Don't > know exactly what I had planned but I must move forward and finish > this area. > > I was wondering how many of the tip up guys have bothered to make a > fiberglass cover all the way across the back of the canopy? > > Next up I am going to countersink the plexi and upsize the holes to > take the #6 screws I was planning to use as the back edge of the > canopy. I hope it will be OK to drill the plexi...... > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Here's a shot of the two map lights I had put in the canopy frame so > long ago.... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:04 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Fw:LASAR cabling to computer Here's what I got from Joe Logie at Champaero - they now support the product line. -----Forwarded Message----- >From: JoeLogie@champaero.com >Sent: Nov 20, 2009 8:45 AM >To: "Ralph E. Capen" >Subject: Re: Fw: RE: LASAR cabling to computer > >Ralph, Sorry, should have read the whole e-mail stream first! Slick >recommends not leaving anything connected to the controller during flight >to preclude any "antenna effect" possibly interfering with the >micro-processor. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:51 PM >>To: TRANS Unison Piston Product Support (Unison, Non-Unison) >>Subject: Fw: LASAR cabling to computer >> >>Tried to send this to Joe - but it bounced. >> >>Can anyone there help me? >> >>I'm looking for pinout diagrams for the RS232 cable connecting the LASAR >>controller to a computer for diagnostics.... >> >>Ralph Capen >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ralph E. Capen" >>To: "Logie, Joe (Unison, US)" >>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:28 PM >>Subject: LASAR cabling to computer >> >> >>> Is there a diagram with the pinouts? >>> >>> If not, can you give them to me? >>> >>> I would like to make a cable with a disconnect at the firewall in case >>I >>> need to do troubleshooting. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ralph /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAoHBwgHBgoICAgLCgoLDhgQDg0NDh0VFhEYIx8lJCIf IiEmKzcvJik0KSEiMEExNDk7Pj4+JS5ESUM8SDc9Pjv/2wBDAQoLCw4NDhwQEBw7KCIoOzs7Ozs7 Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozv/wAARCAC+ALQDASIA AhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAAAgEDAwIEAwUFBAQA AAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkKFhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3 ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWGh4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWm p6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEA AwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREAAgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSEx 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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:00 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Fw:LASAR cabling to computer Here's what I got from Joe Logie at Champaero - they now support the product line. > >-----Forwarded Message----- >>From: JoeLogie@champaero.com >>Sent: Nov 20, 2009 8:45 AM >>To: "Ralph E. Capen" >>Subject: Re: Fw: RE: LASAR cabling to computer >> >>Ralph, Sorry, should have read the whole e-mail stream first! Slick >>recommends not leaving anything connected to the controller during flight >>to preclude any "antenna effect" possibly interfering with the >>micro-processor. > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net] >>>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:51 PM >>>To: TRANS Unison Piston Product Support (Unison, Non-Unison) >>>Subject: Fw: LASAR cabling to computer >>> >>>Tried to send this to Joe - but it bounced. >>> >>>Can anyone there help me? >>> >>>I'm looking for pinout diagrams for the RS232 cable connecting the LASAR >>>controller to a computer for diagnostics.... >>> >>>Ralph Capen >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" >>>To: "Logie, Joe (Unison, US)" >>>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:28 PM >>>Subject: LASAR cabling to computer >>> >>> >>>> Is there a diagram with the pinouts? >>>> >>>> If not, can you give them to me? >>>> >>>> I would like to make a cable with a disconnect at the firewall in case >>>I >>>> need to do troubleshooting. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ralph > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:46 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question No being a fan (nor good at it) of fiberglass work, I made a 3" wide strip of 0.032 aluminum and use the same rivets holding the canopy to the frame to hold it attached. It not only looks better (Covers my somewhat less than cosmetic perfect cutting of the canopy apart), is light, and keeps the rain out. It has worked fine for over 10 years and 500 hrs. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr.gsun@gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question My RV-7 tipup does not have a strip of anything along the back side. Looks great except for the bottom corner that vibrated too much when I ran engine & taxied too much with the canopy up on the handle stop for ventilation. I assume the tip of that corner was occasionally hitting the edge of the roll bar or something when the engine vibes or bumps were just right. Anyway, after 300 hours or so, I noticed a 3" piece missing and found it on the taxiway. Glued it back in place and looks OK except for the glue-line. I'll be putting some sort of a aluminum, fiberglass or vinyl all across the back now. I've also put in some little guide pieces to keep the canopy aligned when closing so it cannot hit anything when almost closed. Still learning..... do not archive On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Norman Hunger wrote: Hi everybody, I last worked on this area many years ago and I think I was planning on building a strip of fiberglass over this whole seam. The holes in the plexi are only countersunk every second hole. Don't know exactly what I had planned but I must move forward and finish this area. I was wondering how many of the tip up guys have bothered to make a fiberglass cover all the way across the back of the canopy? Next up I am going to countersink the plexi and upsize the holes to take the #6 screws I was planning to use as the back edge of the canopy. I hope it will be OK to drill the plexi...... Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive Here's a shot of the two map lights I had put in the canopy frame so long ago.... __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:59 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: RE: RV-List: elevator trim, manual vs electric Bob... The future is wireless! If you can wait... I started with manual trim in my -8 and switched to electric. Simpler installation and it works great in John's -8. I put a govenor (Matronics) in to slow the servo speed to make fine adjustments in cruise possible. Chris Stone RV-8 Newberg, OR -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins Sent: Nov 19, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: elevator trim, manual vs electric I have manual trim and am not flying yet. But one thing it kinda hoses up is wiring runs. One of the holes on the left side of the tunnel in my RV-7a is dedicated to a big manual trim cable (and also an ELT wiring run. ) I don't have much electrical stuff in the plane but the hole right side of the tunnel is full up with two strobe cables, a strobe power cable, a nav light cable, and an ELT instrument panel light cable. I could sure use some more room back there. and I havne't even run any antenna cables yet. From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: elevator trim, manual vs electric Can you explain further? Please? RF From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Divan Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:22 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: elevator trim, manual vs electric On my flying RV6 Manual aileron trim = love it Electric Elevator trim = HATE IT! If I ever finish my RV7 both will be manual href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question From: David Leonard I flew for 2 years without a 'targa' strip but decided to install one after a corner break. I just masked off an area, scuffed up the Plexiglas, and put down a few layers of fiberglass, put in a flox rear fillet underneath, finish with micro, paint. Probably wasn't too much more work than Ed's aluminum strip. Probably fits just a little closer and smoother. I like it. Cuts down on wind noise, covers the scratches on the rear roll-over bar from taxiing, covers the crappy looking silicone I used under the Plexiglas to try to seal the canopy when I was first building, covers some of the 'oops' holes I had in the roll over bar. (that thing was kind of hard to fit together right as I recall.... ) Overall it was a good choice for me, mostly for aesthetic reasons. David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Ed Anderson wro te: > No being a fan (nor good at it) of fiberglass work, I made a 3=94 wide > strip of 0.032 aluminum and use the same rivets holding the canopy to the > frame to hold it attached. It not only looks better (Covers my somewhat > less than cosmetic perfect cutting of the canopy apart), is light, and ke eps > the rain out. It has worked fine for over 10 years and 500 hrs. > > > Ed > > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *mr.gsun@gmail.com > *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 1:54 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Tip Up Canopy Question > > > My RV-7 tipup does not have a strip of anything along the back side. Loo ks > great except for the bottom corner that vibrated too much when I ran engi ne > & taxied too much with the canopy up on the handle stop for ventilation. I > assume the tip of that corner was occasionally hitting the edge of the ro ll > bar or something when the engine vibes or bumps were just right. Anyway, > after 300 hours or so, I noticed a 3" piece missing and found it on the > taxiway. Glued it back in place and looks OK except for the glue-line. > I'll be putting some sort of a aluminum, fiberglass or vinyl all across t he > back now. I've also put in some little guide pieces to keep the canopy > aligned when closing so it cannot hit anything when almost closed. > > Still learning..... > > do not archive > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Norman Hunger wrote : > > Hi everybody, I last worked on this area many years ago and I think I was > planning on building a strip of fiberglass over this whole seam. The hole s > in the plexi are only countersunk every second hole. Don't know exactly w hat > I had planned but I must move forward and finish this area. > > I was wondering how many of the tip up guys have bothered to make a > fiberglass cover all the way across the back of the canopy? > > Next up I am going to countersink the plexi and upsize the holes to take > the #6 screws I was planning to use as the back edge of the canopy. I hop e > it will be OK to drill the plexi...... > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > Here's a shot of the two map lights I had put in the canopy frame so long > ago.... > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:56 AM PST US From: "Johnson" Subject: RV-List: Fuel tanks in Germany Ok so I built a new set of RV4 tanks for a client in Germany. We had a bit of a miscommunication and I sent him a set for a new model (prepunched skins) wing and his is an early model so he cant use them. I ended up building a new set for him but still need to find a home for the first set. It is cost prohibitive to ship them this direction for some reason so I am looking for someone who can use them on that side of the globe. They are brand new, set up with aerobatic mods on the left side and have Stewart Warner senders installed. I would like to get $1000.00 for them....this is less than half of the retail value. I will entertain any offers of cash or trade (I am currently building an RV9A) Or, If anybody out there has any super deals on shipping them back here, (California) I would sure like to hear about it. I have been told that the military boys get to ship really cheap :) Cheers.. Evan evmeg@snowcrest.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:15 PM PST US From: "emrath" Subject: RV-List: Epic Riveting Day Hang in there Norman, I've just past 12 years and finally moved into a hanger and hung the wings on my RV-6A this month. Marty in Brentwood TN Do Not Archive Time: 09:59:41 PM PST US From: Norman Hunger Subject: RV-List: Epic Riveting Day Today was an epic day in my 13 year build. I pounded about 30 rivets and the construction log says that hasn't happened since 2002. The bad news came later when I discovered I hadn't dimpled the next row of holes to their final size of screw so I had to drill everything out again. Tomorrow I start even further behind as I will now shim it to perfection at the bottom corners. This isn't starting off too good... Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:03 PM PST US From: "emrath" Subject: RV-List: Gretz Heated Pitot Tube attaching Folks, I have a Gretz Heated Pitot Tube and mount. Unfortunately the pitot tube fitting does not extend far enough to be able to attach the line to the tube once the tube is in the mount. I'd like to hear from anyone that has found the solution to this problem so I don't have to "reinvent the wheel". Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finish assembly. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:07 PM PST US From: Mike Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Gretz Heated Pitot Tube attaching Marty, it's been a bizillion years since I installed my Gretz Pitot tube so I can't offer much other than a few pictures. Here is the technique I used and maybe it will help you out. http://bmnellis.com/WingSkinning3.htm Mike Nellis RV6 Fuselage Roll Bar > > Folks, > I have a Gretz Heated Pitot Tube and mount. Unfortunately the pitot tube > fitting does not extend far enough to be able to attach the line to the tube > once the tube is in the mount. I'd like to hear from anyone that has found > the solution to this problem so I don't have to "reinvent the wheel". > Marty in Brentwood TN, RV-6A finish assembly. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.