---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/29/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Flap motor brushes (Allen Fulmer) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: red goo on firesleeve (n395v) 3. 06:44 AM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Linn Walters) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Charles Kuss) 6. 04:05 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (HCRV6@comcast.net) 7. 04:52 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Charles Kuss) 8. 05:55 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Linn Walters) 9. 05:59 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Charles Kuss) 10. 07:53 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Charles Kuss) 11. 08:05 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Charles Kuss) 12. 08:53 PM - Re: Flap motor brushes (Linn Walters) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:50 AM PST US From: "Allen Fulmer" Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes "Well, now I've gone and done it!" Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what folks were talking about with flap motor/gearbox grease causing problems. While trying to put the motor back together I managed to break one of the carbon brushes trying to get it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap motor assembly, $89.00 for replacement motor from Allied Electronics (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so far. Anyone else had to replace the brush holder and brushes or complete flap motor? Can I get away with replacing just the motor? Thanks, Allen Fulmer RV7 Finishing wiring Alexander City, AL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:32 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: red goo on firesleeve From: "n395v" Aircraft Spruce sells firesleeve "end dip" in 1 qt cans part number 5027. It is expensive but worth it. It's primary purpose is to coat the inner fibrous lining from the end to a point past the clamp to keep oils, gas etc from being soaked up by the fibrous material. It needs to be thin and "wickable" to do this thus the term dip. You do not want a length of firesleeve full of oil. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279081#279081 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:39 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Allen, The motor doesn't look like the exact same thing. It may be functionally, but I would be wary of the size. Also, I think that the little gear on the end will be your biggest problem. If the motors are enough alike, you can take the brush assy from the new motor and use it on the original....just a thought. I've had to clean mine already too - so I know what a bugger it can be. Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Allen Fulmer >Sent: Dec 29, 2009 8:49 AM >To: "Rv-List@Matronics." >Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > >"Well, now I've gone and done it!" Flap motor installed but I decided I >would see what folks were talking about with flap motor/gearbox grease >causing problems. While trying to put the motor back together I managed to >break one of the carbon brushes trying to get it back in its little hole! >$389 for whole flap motor assembly, $89.00 for replacement motor from Allied >Electronics >(http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), no luck >on just the brush holder and brushes so far. > > > >Anyone else had to replace the brush holder and brushes or complete flap >motor? > > > >Can I get away with replacing just the motor? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Allen Fulmer > >RV7 Finishing wiring > >Alexander City, AL > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:09 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes I've heard that Home Depot has brushes, but never looked for them. If the brushes aren't an exact match, they can be carefully sanded to size ..... carefully, as you well know!!! Good luck, and let us know how it turns out. Linn Allen Fulmer wrote: > > "Well, now I've gone and done it!" Flap motor installed but I decided > I would see what folks were talking about with flap motor/gearbox > grease causing problems. While trying to put the motor back together > I managed to break one of the carbon brushes trying to get it back in > its little hole! $389 for whole flap motor assembly, $89.00 for > replacement motor from Allied Electronics > (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), no > luck on just the brush holder and brushes so far. > > > > Anyone else had to replace the brush holder and brushes or complete > flap motor? > > > > Can I get away with replacing just the motor? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Allen Fulmer > > RV7 Finishing wiring > > Alexander City, AL > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:33 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Allen, Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I saved the info and will send you a copy off list. Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer wrote: > From: Allen Fulmer > Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > To: "Rv-List@Matronics." > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, now Ive gone and done > it! > Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what folks > were talking about > with flap motor/gearbox grease causing problems. > While trying to put the > motor back together I managed to break one of the carbon > brushes trying to get > it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap motor > assembly, $89.00 > for replacement motor from Allied Electronics (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), > no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so > far. > > > > > Anyone else had to replace the brush holder > and brushes or complete flap motor? > > > > > Can I get away with replacing just the > motor? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Allen Fulmer > > RV7 Finishing wiring > > Alexander City, AL > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:46 PM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Hey Charlie, how about posting that info to the list as well. A lot of us w ould like to have it just in case. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 648 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Kuss" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:19:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Allen, Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I saved the info and will send you a copy off list. Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer wrote: > From: Allen Fulmer > Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > To: "Rv-List@Matronics." > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =9CWell, now I=99ve gone and done > it!=9D > Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what folks > were talking about > with flap motor/gearbox grease causing problems. > While trying to put the > motor back together I managed to break one of the carbon > brushes trying to get > it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap motor > assembly, $89.00 > for replacement motor from Allied Electronics (http://www.alliedelec.com/ search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), > no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so > far. > > > > > Anyone else had to replace the brush holder > and brushes or complete flap motor? > > > > > Can I get away with replacing just the > motor? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Allen Fulmer > > RV7 Finishing wiring > > Alexander City, AL > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:45 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes No can do. It involves photos, which won't post. I actually saved it all as a pdf file, which won't post either. I'll send you a copy off list. Charlie --- On Tue, 12/29/09, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > From: HCRV6@comcast.net > Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:58 PM > #yiv83213696 p > {margin:0;}Hey > Charlie, how about posting that info to the list as > well. A lot of us would like to have it just in case. > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 648 hours > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Kuss" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:19:45 AM GMT -08:00 > US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > > > > Allen, > Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I > saved the info and will send you a copy off list. > Charlie Kuss > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer > wrote: > > > From: Allen Fulmer > > Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > > To: "Rv-List@Matronics." > > > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, now Ive gone and done > > it! > > Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what > folks > > were talking about > > with flap motor/gearbox grease causing > problems. > > While trying to put the > > motor back together I managed to break one of the > carbon > > brushes trying to get > > it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap > motor > > assembly, $89.00 > > for replacement motor from Allied Electronics > (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), > > no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so > > far. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else had to replace the brush holder > > and brushes or complete flap motor? > > > > > > > > > > Can I get away with replacing just the > > motor? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Allen Fulmer > > > > RV7 Finishing wiring > > > > Alexander City, AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:14 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Charlie, this a test of a photo .... showing my re-routed brake lines as an insert to the email and as an attachment. Hope it works. Linn do not archive Charles Kuss wrote: > > No can do. It involves photos, which won't post. I actually saved it all as a pdf file, which won't post either. I'll send you a copy off list. > Charlie > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > > >> From: HCRV6@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:58 PM >> #yiv83213696 p >> {margin:0;}Hey >> Charlie, how about posting that info to the list as >> well. A lot of us would like to have it just in case. >> >> Harry Crosby >> RV-6 N16CX, 648 hours >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Kuss" >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:19:45 AM GMT -08:00 >> US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes >> >> >> >> Allen, >> Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I >> saved the info and will send you a copy off list. >> Charlie Kuss >> >> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer >> wrote: >> >> >>> From: Allen Fulmer >>> Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes >>> To: "Rv-List@Matronics." >>> >> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, now Ive gone and done >>> it! >>> Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what >>> >> folks >> >>> were talking about >>> with flap motor/gearbox grease causing >>> >> problems. >> >>> While trying to put the >>> motor back together I managed to break one of the >>> >> carbon >> >>> brushes trying to get >>> it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap >>> >> motor >> >>> assembly, $89.00 >>> for replacement motor from Allied Electronics >>> >> (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), >> >>> no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so >>> far. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone else had to replace the brush holder >>> and brushes or complete flap motor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Can I get away with replacing just the >>> motor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Allen Fulmer >>> >>> RV7 Finishing wiring >>> >>> Alexander City, AL >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> provided >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> provided >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:54 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Harry, Here is some of the info. There is actually an early and a late flap motor. Vans changed vendors in 2002. The whole story on that can be found here. http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/flap_motor.pdf You can find lots of info on the flap motors here http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=5824&highlight=Flap+motor+brushes Charlie --- On Tue, 12/29/09, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > From: HCRV6@comcast.net > Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:58 PM > #yiv601653149 p > {margin:0;}Hey > Charlie, how about posting that info to the list as > well. A lot of us would like to have it just in case. > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 648 hours > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Kuss" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:19:45 AM GMT -08:00 > US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > > > > Allen, > Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I > saved the info and will send you a copy off list. > Charlie Kuss > > --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer > wrote: > > > From: Allen Fulmer > > Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes > > To: "Rv-List@Matronics." > > > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, now Ive gone and done > > it! > > Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what > folks > > were talking about > > with flap motor/gearbox grease causing > problems. > > While trying to put the > > motor back together I managed to break one of the > carbon > > brushes trying to get > > it back in its little hole! $389 for whole flap > motor > > assembly, $89.00 > > for replacement motor from Allied Electronics > (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=3880012), > > no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so > > far. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else had to replace the brush holder > > and brushes or complete flap motor? > > > > > > > > > > Can I get away with replacing just the > > motor? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Allen Fulmer > > > > RV7 Finishing wiring > > > > Alexander City, AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:41 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Here is the info I mentioned earlier.=0ACharlie=0A - - - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:17 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Linn, =C2-I stand corrected. I'll post the document to the list. Charlie --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Linn Walters wrote: From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes =0A=0A=0A =0ACharlie, this a test of a photo .... showing my re-routed bra ke lines=0Aas an insert to the email and as an attachment.=C2- Hope it wo rks. Linn =0Ado not archive =0A =0A =0A chaskuss@yahoo.com> No can do. It involves photos, which won't post. I actually saved it all as a pdf file, which won't post either. I'll send you a copy off list. Charlie --- On Tue, 12/29/09, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: =0A =0A From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes #yiv83213696 p {margin:0;}Hey Charlie, how about posting that info to the list as well.=C2- A lot of us would like to have it just in case. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 648 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Kuss" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:19:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Allen, =C2-Stan Gould posted about this in May of last year. I saved the info and will send you a copy off list. Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Allen Fulmer wrote: =0A =0A From: Allen Fulmer Subject: RV-List: Flap motor brushes =0A =0A =0A =0A Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:49 AM =C2- =C2- =C2- =9CWell, now I=99ve gone and done it!=9D=C2- Flap motor installed but I decided I would see what =0A =0A folks =0A =0A were talking about with flap motor/gearbox grease causing =0A =0A problems.=C2- =0A =0A While trying to put the motor back together I managed to break one of the =0A =0A carbon =0A =0A brushes trying to get it back in its little hole!=C2- $389 for whole flap =0A =0A motor =0A =0A assembly, $89.00 for replacement motor from Allied Electronics =0A =0A (http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SK U=3880012), =0A =0A no luck on just the brush holder and brushes so far. =C2- Anyone else had to replace the brush holder and brushes or complete flap motor? =C2- Can I get away with replacing just the motor? =C2- Thanks, =C2- Allen Fulmer RV7 Finishing wiring Alexander City, AL provided =0A =0A =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- provided =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:44 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap motor brushes Thanks Charlie! .... Allen, I've had really good luck replacing motor brushes by making a tube of thin plastic ..... 6 mil stuff from the hardware store .... and wrapping it around the commutator and then sliding the brush assembly down over the plastic tube. Keeps the brushes from hitting the end of the commutator and breaking. Take it slow and rock the brush assembly a little while using a thin pick to push the brushes into their pockets while sliding the assembly over the commutator. Linn Charles Kuss wrote: > Here is the info I mentioned earlier. 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