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1. 03:40 AM - Gathering Tools (luis@cristabelle.net)
2. 09:44 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (HCRV6@comcast.net)
3. 12:14 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Matt Redmond)
4. 12:57 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Paul Besing)
5. 01:38 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Luis Rodriguez)
6. 01:38 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Glenn Bell)
7. 01:41 PM - Re: Gathering Tools - countersink cage (Marty Helller)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Scott)
9. 03:52 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Matt Redmond)
10. 03:52 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Matt Redmond)
11. 04:30 PM - Re: Van's oil cooler shutter (BRUCE GRAY)
12. 04:42 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Ralph & Maria Finch)
13. 06:48 PM - Re:hello g (russell parr)
14. 07:22 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Luis)
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I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Louis,
Do yourself a huge favor and purchase a good quality drill with a teasing t
rigger from Avery or Cleveland Tool if you are serious about building an RV
.=C2- You will regret the money you spend on cut rate tools.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 650 hours
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From: luis@cristabelle.net
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 6:19:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RV-List: Gathering Tools
I'm piecing together a set of tools. =C2- What do you all think of this s
etup?
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Louis,
That set is already up to $139. For not a lot more you could pick up a nice
Sioux drill from Avery, Cleaveland or Brown (I think I paid $185 for mine
[Brown Tool]).
Then go to Pan American Tool and get the bits, stops and countersink cage if
you're looking for the best prices (same quality - everyone else resells Pan
American's stuff).
If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can be
beat. I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it
cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in
business.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM, <luis@cristabelle.net> wrote:
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> I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
I'd pass. Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland. You will need all the
bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits besides #30 and #40. The
good set is not cheap, about $200, but if you always put them back they will
last you forever. Then get packages of #30's and #40's. You will need long
bits of those as well. Plus the drill and all of those bits, countersink cage,
etc is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing) You do more drilling than anything
else on the airplane. Don't skimp on the drill or bits.
Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to drilling. Too time
consuming and a pain to change when you are burning through bits. If you are
in a tight spot and are worried about hitting something, then change to a bit
with the drill stop.
Paul Besing
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From: "luis@cristabelle.net" <luis@cristabelle.net>
Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:19:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gathering Tools
I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
I'm gonna bite the bullet and just get the Planetools.com kit. Too
much of a PIA to get all the stuff right by piecing together a set.
Thanks all for setting my head straight.
Luis.
On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Besing wrote:
> I'd pass. Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland. You will
> need all the bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits
> besides #30 and #40. The good set is not cheap, about $200, but if
> you always put them back they will last you forever. Then get
> packages of #30's and #40's. You will need long bits of those as
> well. Plus the drill and all of those bits, countersink cage, etc
> is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing) You do more drilling than
> anything else on the airplane. Don't skimp on the drill or bits.
>
> Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to
> drilling. Too time consuming and a pain to change when you are
> burning through bits. If you are in a tight spot and are worried
> about hitting something, then change to a bit with the drill stop.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> From: "luis@cristabelle.net" <luis@cristabelle.net>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:19:42 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Gathering Tools
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I went through the plans and ordered several of all the bit sizes called
for.there really aren't all that many sizes that you really need.you will
need many 30s and 40s.also the 12 inch 30 and 40 are very handy.12 is common
as is 19. There are several others that I cant recall right offhand. I
would also invest in a good 90 degree adaptor that uses the threaded
bits..The avery bits are very good.
Remember, each and every 3/32 rivet hole has to be sized with a 40 and
every 1/8 with a 30.that is a lot of holes..Also a drill bit size guide is
invaluable.it is impossible to tell the smaller bits apart without one.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools
I'd pass. Get a numbered drill bit set from cleveland. You will need all
the bits you can get, and you will need many numbered bits besides #30 and
#40. The good set is not cheap, about $200, but if you always put them back
they will last you forever. Then get packages of #30's and #40's. You will
need long bits of those as well. Plus the drill and all of those bits,
countersink cage, etc is too cheap (yes, there is such a thing) You do more
drilling than anything else on the airplane. Don't skimp on the drill or
bits.
Also, FWIW, I did not use the drill stops after I got used to drilling. Too
time consuming and a pain to change when you are burning through bits. If
you are in a tight spot and are worried about hitting something, then change
to a bit with the drill stop.
Paul Besing
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From: "luis@cristabelle.net" <luis@cristabelle.net>
Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:19:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gathering Tools
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| Subject: | Gathering Tools - countersink cage |
It pays to get more than one countersink cage. Set up up for 1/8"=2C anoth
er for 3/32" so you don't spend lots of time changing out the heads and the
n having to re-calibrate the depth.
Usually at big fly-ins=2C especially SNF=2C or AirVenture=2C you can find u
sed countersink cages for $10 ea.....
If you're not heading that way=2C I'm sure you know someone who is....
Marty
RV-7=3B Baffling and Cowling (still)
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools
From: mdredmond@gmail.com
Louis=2C
That set is already up to $139. For not a lot more you could pick up a nic
e Sioux drill from Avery=2C Cleaveland or Brown (I think I paid $185 for mi
ne [Brown Tool]).
Then go to Pan American Tool and get the bits=2C stops and countersink cage
if you're looking for the best prices (same quality - everyone else resell
s Pan American's stuff).
If you're looking for the best service=2C neither Avery nor Cleaveland can
be beat. I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it
cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks
in business.
On Mon=2C Jan 4=2C 2010 at 8:19 PM=2C <luis@cristabelle.net> wrote:
I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup?
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2#ht_1475wt_941
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Amen, bro! I support Avery exclusively. I have no doubt Cleaveland is
just as good. I just started with Avery, had great customer service and
stuck with them! :)
Matt Redmond wrote:
>
>
> If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland
> can be beat. I usually spend a little more with these two even if I
> can get it cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be said for keeping
> these nice folks in business.
>
>
>
>
>
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http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic squeezer on
eBay. It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable set holder on it.
Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my (early model) squeezer. So I
drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and Bob spent about a half an hour getting
me fixed up. Then he and I did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never
done it before. Great guy - great family.
I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland. As an
example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made substandard
dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned replacing my
elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.
I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too. I know Avery and
Cleaveland are.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net> wrote:
>
> Amen, bro! I support Avery exclusively. I have no doubt Cleaveland is
> just as good. I just started with Avery, had great customer service and
> stuck with them! :)
>
>
> Matt Redmond wrote:
>
>>
>> If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can
>> be beat. I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it
>> cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Make that stabilizer skin, not elevator skin. Significantly more expensive
part.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com> wrote:
> My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic squeezer on
> eBay. It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable set holder on it.
> Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my (early model) squeezer. So I
> drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and Bob spent about a half an hour getting
> me fixed up. Then he and I did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never
> done it before. Great guy - great family.
>
> I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland. As an
> example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made substandard
> dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned replacing my
> elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.
>
> I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too. I know Avery and
> Cleaveland are.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Amen, bro! I support Avery exclusively. I have no doubt Cleaveland is
>> just as good. I just started with Avery, had great customer service and
>> stuck with them! :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt Redmond wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor Cleaveland can
>>> be beat. I usually spend a little more with these two even if I can get it
>>> cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be said for keeping these nice folks in
>>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott
>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Van's oil cooler shutter |
Steve=2C I take it your not using the shutter style oil cooler set-up. If p
ossible when the photo's are available try to host them and post a link for
us to learn from. TIA=2C Bruce
RV-8
From: steve282s@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter
Just flew back from California to Topeka=2C Ks. Outside departure temp was
19 when I left Topeka and arrival temp was 12. I flew at 10=2C500 and 9
=2C500 over the rockies. My oat temp was never above 28 F however the sens
or is in the cabin air inlet area and I'm told it reads high due to the eng
ine heat. But=2C I was able to very the oil temp between 160 and 180 the e
ntire way. It works! If you want some pix I'll send them (they're still i
n the camera). Installation was easy as was the cable routing. I would do
it again in a heart beat. And=2C no. I'm not going to mention the tempera
ture in Southern California!!!
Steve Stucky
RV-7
From: Ralph E. Capen <recapen@earthlink.net>
s-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Mon=2C January 4=2C 2010 4:03:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter
Anyone have one of these on their baffle behind the #4 cylinder?
Would like to see pictures - hear your story.
My Vernatherm and oil temp sender are both good - my oil temp runs too cold
in the winter.
My IO360B1F6 with SW 8406R cooler gives me a straight-line 185F degree oil
temp in the summer (OAT over 65F) - but won't make 150F in the lower OAT ra
nges.
We get some weird temperature ranges here on the DelMarVa peninsula so a fi
xed block-off plate inside my plenum doesn't make sense - like this cockpit
controllable unit.
Thanks in advance!
Ralph Capen
N822AR (Patience) @ N06 47hrs - almost done withntent also available via th
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> What do you all think of this setup?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
Yuck.
You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbor Freight-like
quality is OK for a few seldom used items, but for your main tools, get quality
stuff. Think about it, your airplane build final cost is anywhere from $30K
to $80K including kit, engine, accessories, and instruments + avionics...and
you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap tools?
I have an Excel worksheet, now a couple years old, of recommended tools and suppliers
from one of the well-known building trainers. I won't post it publically
because the list started with them (I put it into Excel), but will email to
those interested. The prices and links are now somewhat old but the items still
relevant.
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
RV-9A QB-SA
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| Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
I'm leaning toward the Cleavland Tool Kit. I'll add:
extra scotch brite pads/wheels
extra 150 clecos
quick change yoke pins
thin nose yoke
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Matt Redmond wrote:
> Make that stabilizer skin, not elevator skin. Significantly more
> expensive part.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> My first experience with Avery was after I bought a pneumatic
> squeezer on eBay. It worked well enough but I wanted an adjustable
> set holder on it. Ordered one from Avery and it didn't fit my
> (early model) squeezer. So I drove down to T67 (20 mi from me) and
> Bob spent about a half an hour getting me fixed up. Then he and I
> did some dimpling and riveting because I'd never done it before.
> Great guy - great family.
>
> I've also had excellent and friendly service from Cleaveland. As an
> example, when I was afraid some Cleaveland dimple dies made
> substandard dimples (turned out that was NOT the case), DJ mentioned
> replacing my elevator skin if it turned out to be the dies.
>
> I can't speak for PlaneTools but they might be fine too. I know
> Avery and Cleaveland are.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net> wrote:
>
> Amen, bro! I support Avery exclusively. I have no doubt Cleaveland
> is just as good. I just started with Avery, had great customer
> service and stuck with them! :)
>
>
> Matt Redmond wrote:
>
> If you're looking for the best service, neither Avery nor
> Cleaveland can be beat. I usually spend a little more with these
> two even if I can get it cheaper elsewhere. There's a lot to be
> said for keeping these nice folks in business.
>
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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