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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Marty Helller)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (glennbell@cablelynx.com)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Van's oil cooler shutter (steve)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Steven Reynard)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (David Cudney)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (John Danielson)
7. 10:02 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Terry Watson)
8. 11:51 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Bruce Swayze)
9. 03:33 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Bobby Hester)
10. 03:58 PM - More on Tools (moron tools?) (fiveonepw@aol.com)
11. 08:58 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (RICHARD MILLER)
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Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've read
stated the same thing about buying quaility tools.
The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C elect
ic drill (spinning 1700 or better).
Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B but you
don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Fl
ash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this forum=2C where the author quoted=2C
'and I never looked back.' and I agree.
Four other tips:
- Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)
- Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones
- TALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' for the
gold you spend on it.
- 90 degree threaded drill set as already mentioned--very pricey for what
they are=3B but very=2C very helpful.
FWIW
Marty
RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling)
> From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800
>
il.com>
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> > What do you all think of this setup?
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800966
19052#ht_1475wt_941
>
> Yuck.
>
> You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbor Freight
-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C but for your main tools
=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C your airplane build final cost is
anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and in
struments + avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap t
ools?
>
> I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years old=2C of recommended too
ls and suppliers from one of the well-known building trainers. I won't post
it publically because the list started with them (I put it into Excel)=2C
but will email to those interested. The prices and links are now somewhat o
ld but the items still relevant.
>
> Ralph Finch
> Davis=2C California
> RV-9A QB-SA
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Subject: | Re: Van's oil cooler shutter |
I'm using the shutter style add-on from Vans that fits between the baffle b
ehind cyl #4 and the oil cooler.- The shutter deflection is then operated
via an automotive choke style cable mounted near the instrument panel.-
I'll try to get the pix posted today.- But, I'm old, retired, tired, and
this is hard.=0A=0Asteve=0A282S VariEze=0A283S RV7=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________=0AFrom: BRUCE GRAY <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>=0ATo: M
atronics <rv-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tue, January 5, 2010 6:21:44 PM=0A
Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter=0A=0ASteve, I take it your n
ot using the shutter style oil cooler set-up. If possible when the photo's
are available try to host them and post a link for us to learn from. TIA, B
ruce=0ARV-8=0A-=0A________________________________=0ADate: Mon, 4 Jan 201
0 17:13:35 -0800=0AFrom: steve282s@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Van's
oil cooler shutter=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com; lycomingengines-list@matron
ics.com=0A=0A=0AJust flew back from California to Topeka, Ks.- Outside de
parture temp was 19 when I left Topeka and arrival temp was 12.- I flew a
t 10,500 and 9,500 over the rockies.- My oat temp was never above 28 F ho
wever the sensor is in the cabin air inlet area and I'm told it reads high
due to the engine heat.- But, I was able to very the oil temp between 160
and 180 the entire way.- It works!- If you want some pix I'll send the
m (they're still in the camera).- Installation was easy as was the cable
routing.- I would do it again in a heart beat.- And, no. I'm not going
to mention the temperature in Southern California!!!=0A=0ASteve Stucky=0ARV
-7=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ralph E. Capen <recapen
@earthlink.net>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com>; lycoming engine list
<lycomingengines-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, January 4, 2010 4:03:14
PM=0ASubject: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter=0A=0A--> RV-List message po
sted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>=0A=0AAnyone have one of t
hese on their baffle behind the #4 cylinder?=0A=0AWould like to see picture
s - hear your story.=0A=0AMy Vernatherm and oil temp sender are both good -
my oil temp runs too cold in the winter.=0A=0AMy IO360B1F6 with SW 8406R c
ooler gives me a straight-line 185F degree oil temp in the summer (OAT over
65F) - but won't make 150F in the lower OAT ranges.=0A=0AWe get some weird
temperature ranges here on the DelMarVa peninsula so a fixed block-off pla
te inside my plenum doesn't make sense - like this cockpit controllable uni
t.=0A=0AThanks in advance!=0ARalph Capen=0AN822AR (Patience) @ N06 47hrs -
almost done withntent also available via the - - - - - - -
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Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Besides, you need something to mix your two part epoxy primer. ;)
A good plug-in model is also good. The wait for the battery to
recharge can really slow ya down. I need to get a new battery. . . .
The only time you have too many quality tools is when you don't have
enough room left to use them. :0
Steve Reynard
RV-7A Wings
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars, all the posts I've read
> stated the same thing about buying quaility tools.
>
> The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good, fast, electic
> drill (spinning 1700 or better).
> Yes, they are bigger, bulkier, and heavy than an air drill; but you don't
> need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Flash of
> the Obvious (BFO) tip from thisforum, where the author quoted, 'and I never
> looked back.' and I agree.
>
. . .
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Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more
tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was
available at Costco for about $17) to help in putting in all of the
screws in the cover plates and floor boards. I agree that either
Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value.
dave
RV 7A (135 hours)
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com wrote:
> I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare
> battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No
> noise nor chuck key to keep up with either.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
>
> Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts
> I've read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B
> =3B
> The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C
> fast=2C elect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better).
> Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B
> but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I
> got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this
> =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.'
> and I agree. =3B
>
> Four =3Bother tips:
> - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)
> - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones
> - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of
> weight' f= or the gold you spend on it.
> - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very
> pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful.
> =3B
> FWIW
> =3B
> Marty
> RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling)
> =3B
> =3B
> =3B
>
> =3B
>
> >=3B From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com
> >=3B To: rv-list@matronics.= com
> >=3B Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
> >=3B Date: Tue=2C = 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800
> >=3B
> >=3B -->=3B RV-List message pos= ted by: "Ralph &=3B Maria Finch" <=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com
> >=3B>=3B
> >=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup?
> >=3B &= gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&=3Bitem=
> =380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
> >=3B
> >=3B Yuck.
> >=3B
> >= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The
> Harbor Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C
> but for your main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C
> your airplane build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K
> including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments +
> avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap = tools?
> >=3B
> >=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of
> recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build=
> ing trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started
> with them= (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those
> interested. The prices an= d links are now somewhat old but the
> items still relevant.
> >=3B
> &g= t=3B Ralph Finch
> >=3B Davis=2C California
> >=3B RV-9A QB-SA
> >= =3B
> >=3B
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There are times a corded electric drill comes in handy. Just be careful dra
gging that cord across sharp aluminum edges.
John L. Danielson
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools
Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more tool
to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Cost
co for about $17) to help in putting in all of the screws in the cover pla
tes and floor boards. I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits
are a great value.
dave
RV 7A (135 hours)
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com<mailto:glennbell@cablel
ynx.com> wrote:
I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it w
orked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key t
o keep up with either.
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From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com<mailto:marty_away@hotmail.com>>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've rea
d = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B
=3B
The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C e
lect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better).
Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B
but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I got
that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this =3Bforum=2C
where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree.
=3B
Four =3Bother tips:
- Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)
- Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones
- =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' f
= or the gold you spend on it.
- =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very pricey
for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful.
=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup?
>=3B &= gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte
m&=3Bitem= =3D380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
>=3B
>=3B Yuck.
>=3B
>= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbo
r Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C but for y
our main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C your airplan
e build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit=2C engi
ne=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments + avionics...and you're trying
to save a few hundred with cheap = tools?
>=3B
>=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of rec
ommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build= ing traine
rs. I won't post it publically because the list started with them= (I put
it into Excel)=2C but will email to those interested. The prices an= d
links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant.
>=3B
&g= t=3B Ralph Finch
>=3B Davis=2C California
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Way, Way back when I was starting to build my 8A I remember reading that one
of the reasons for using an air-powered drill when working with aluminum
sheet was to avoid electrocuting yourself when the edge of a sheet cut
through the cord of your electric drill. That was before battery powered
drills. The other reason was to get the high speed that was appropriate for
drilling the aluminum sheet. I suppose a GFI (ground fault interrupter?)
circuit or the modern-day equivalent might solve the first problem.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Reynard
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools
Besides, you need something to mix your two part epoxy primer. ;)
A good plug-in model is also good. The wait for the battery to
recharge can really slow ya down. I need to get a new battery. . . .
The only time you have too many quality tools is when you don't have
enough room left to use them. :0
Steve Reynard
RV-7A Wings
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars, all the posts I've read
> stated the same thing about buying quaility tools.
>
> The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good, fast, electic
> drill (spinning 1700 or better).
> Yes, they are bigger, bulkier, and heavy than an air drill; but you don't
> need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Flash of
> the Obvious (BFO) tip from thisforum, where the author quoted, 'and I
never
> looked back.' and I agree.
>
. . .
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Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
I looked at this package on eBay. You will want a drill that has an
old-fashioned adjustable chuck. Those drill bits with the hex ends
that fit in the quick change drill will be expensive to replace. I
agree with the previous posts about getting quality tools. That said,
however, I saved a lot of money on a number of tools that you have to
have but don't use that often by buying used or looking on eBay. For
example, I picked up a right-angle drill for about $50 that I know
would have cost me several hundred if I bought it new. It's an
awesome tool and it works great. You have to have one of these
eventually, but you don't need a brand new one. It's not used that
often. There are other examples as well.
I have had extremely good service and can't say enough about my
experiences with Avery Tools, Cleveland, PlaneTools, and some others as well.
At 06:19 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
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Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
Here is a good drill that I bought and it's on sale right now!
*http://tinyurl.com/yzl2jh4*
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Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/RVSite.htm
David Cudney wrote:
> Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more
> tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was
> available at Costco for about $17) to help in putting in all of the
> screws in the cover plates and floor boards. I agree that either
> Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value.
>
> dave
> RV 7A (135 hours)
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com
> <mailto:glennbell@cablelynx.com> wrote:
>
>> I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare
>> battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No
>> noise nor chuck key to keep up with either.
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com
>> <mailto:marty_away@hotmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000
>> *To: *<rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>>
>> *Subject: *RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
>>
>> Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've
>> read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B
>> =3B
>> The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C
>> elect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better).
>> Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B
>> but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I
>> got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from
>> this =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked
>> back.' and I agree. =3B
>>
>> Four =3Bother tips:
>> - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason)
>> - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones
>> - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight'
>> f= or the gold you spend on it.
>> - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very
>> pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful.
>> =3B
>> FWIW
>> =3B
>> Marty
>> RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling)
>> =3B
>> =3B
>> =3B
>>
>> =3B
>>
>> >=3B From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com <mailto:ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
>> >=3B To: rv-list@matronics.= com
>> >=3B Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools
>> >=3B Date: Tue=2C = 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800
>> >=3B
>> >=3B -->=3B RV-List message pos= ted by: "Ralph &=3B Maria Finch"
>> <=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com
>> <mailto:=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com>>=3B>=3B
>> >=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup?
>> >=3B &=
>> gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&=3Bitem=
>> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&=3Bitem=> =380096619052#ht_1475wt_941
>> >=3B
>> >=3B Yuck.
>> >=3B
>> >= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The
>> Harbor Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C
>> but for your main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C
>> your airplane build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K
>> including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments +
>> avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap = tools?
>> >=3B
>> >=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of
>> recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build= ing
>> trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started with
>> them= (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those interested.
>> The prices an= d links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant.
>> >=3B
>> &g= t=3B Ralph Finch
>> >=3B Davis=2C California
>> >=3B RV-9A QB-SA
>> >= =3B
>> >=3B
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Subject: | More on Tools (moron tools?) |
>From the FWIW dept. if ya don't mind a bit of reading, see:
?
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=tools
?
Worked for me, and most applies to the new kits as well...
?
Mark Phillips, RV-6A "Mojo" 550+ hrs and she's STILL a good girl!
8-)
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Subject: | Re: Gathering Tools |
With twenty years of sheet metal experience. i have bought every tool in the book.
used counter sink cages are a decent deal off ebay along with 90 degree drills
at worse they will need bearings. Get a pneumatic squeeze you are going to
want one. with a quick trip to the welder you can modify the dimpling frame
to accept the squeeze.
About drills, a good pneumatic 3/8 chuck high speed is what you want. and a electric
1/2 slow speed
die grinders, these are harbor freight items. just include an in-line oilier and
they will live long beyond this project.
clecos you can never have too many.
A good setup shop/ with easy access will save you years off the build time.
insulate your compressor/ you and your neighbors will appreciate it.
rick
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