---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/06/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:34 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Marty Helller) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (glennbell@cablelynx.com) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: Van's oil cooler shutter (steve) 4. 07:35 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Steven Reynard) 5. 08:12 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (David Cudney) 6. 09:46 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (John Danielson) 7. 10:02 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Terry Watson) 8. 11:51 AM - Re: Gathering Tools (Bruce Swayze) 9. 03:33 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (Bobby Hester) 10. 03:58 PM - More on Tools (moron tools?) (fiveonepw@aol.com) 11. 08:58 PM - Re: Gathering Tools (RICHARD MILLER) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:46 AM PST US From: Marty Helller Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've read stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C elect ic drill (spinning 1700 or better). Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B but you don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Fl ash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this forum=2C where the author quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree. Four other tips: - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason) - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones - TALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' for the gold you spend on it. - 90 degree threaded drill set as already mentioned--very pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C very helpful. FWIW Marty RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling) > From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools > Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800 > il.com> > > > What do you all think of this setup? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800966 19052#ht_1475wt_941 > > Yuck. > > You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbor Freight -like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C but for your main tools =2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C your airplane build final cost is anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and in struments + avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap t ools? > > I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years old=2C of recommended too ls and suppliers from one of the well-known building trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started with them (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those interested. The prices and links are now somewhat o ld but the items still relevant. > > Ralph Finch > Davis=2C California > RV-9A QB-SA > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security=2C version of virus signa ture database 4746 (20100105) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools From: glennbell@cablelynx.com SSBoYXZlIHRvIGFncmVlLiBJIHVzZWQgYSBza2lsIDE4IHZvbHQgbGl0aGl1bSBpb24uIFdpdGgg c3BhcmUgYmF0dGVyeSBpdCB3b3JrZWQgZ3JlYXQuIEVhc3kgdG8gY29udHJvbCB3aXRoIHBsZW50 eSBvZiBwb3dlci4gTm8gbm9pc2Ugbm9yIGNodWNrIGtleSB0byBrZWVwIHVwIHdpdGggZWl0aGVy LiANCg0KU2VudCB2aWEgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBieSBBVCZUDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2Fn ZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBNYXJ0eSBIZWxsbGVyIDxtYXJ0eV9hd2F5QGhvdG1haWwuY29tPg0KRGF0 ZTogV2VkLCA2IEphbiAyMDEwIDEyOjEyOjM0IA0KVG86IDxydi1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+ DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSRTogUlYtTGlzdDogR2F0aGVyaW5nIFRvb2xzDQoNCg0KV2l0aG91dCB0cnlp bmcgdG8gc3RhcnQgbW9yZSAncHJpbWVyIHR5cGUnIHdhcnMsIGFsbCB0aGUgcG9zdHMgSSd2ZSBy ZWFkIHN0YXRlZCB0aGUgc2FtZSB0aGluZyBhYm91dCBidXlpbmcgcXVhaWxpdHkgdG9vbHMuICAN Cg0KIA0KDQpUaGUgb25lICdibGFzdHBob21lb3VzJyBwYXJ0IEknbGwgc3VnZXN0IGlzIGdldHRp bmcgYSBnb29kLCBmYXN0LCBlbGVjdGljIGRyaWxsIChzcGlubmluZyAxNzAwIG9yIGJldHRlciku DQoNClllcywgdGhleSBhcmUgYmlnZ2VyLCBidWxraWVyLCBhbmQgaGVhdnkgdGhhbiBhbiBhaXIg ZHJpbGw7IGJ1dCB5b3UgZG9uJ3QgbmVlZCB0byB3YWl0IGZvciB0aGUgY29tcHJlc3NvciB0byBy ZS1jaGFyZ2UuICBJIGdvdCB0aGF0IEJsYXppbmcgRmxhc2ggb2YgdGhlIE9idmlvdXMgKEJGTykg dGlwIGZyb20gdGhpcyBmb3J1bSwgd2hlcmUgdGhlIGF1dGhvciBxdW90ZWQsICdhbmQgSSBuZXZl ciBsb29rZWQgYmFjay4nIGFuZCBJIGFncmVlLiAgDQoNCg0KRm91ciBvdGhlciB0aXBzOg0KDQot IFJvdG8temlwIGZvciBhIGRpZSBncmluZGVyIChzYW1lIHJlYXNvbikNCg0KLSBHb29kIHF1YWxp dHkgZGltcGxlIGRpZXM7IGVsc2UgeW91J2xsIGJ1eSBtYW55IGxvd2VyIGNvc3Qgb25lcw0KDQot IFRBTENPIHNxdWVlemVyIGFuZCBhY2Nlc29yaWVzOyBJdCdzIHdvcnRoIGl0cyAnbGFjayBvZiB3 ZWlnaHQnIGZvciB0aGUgZ29sZCB5b3Ugc3BlbmQgb24gaXQuDQotICA5MCBkZWdyZWUgdGhyZWFk ZWQgZHJpbGwgc2V0IGFzIGFscmVhZHkgbWVudGlvbmVkLS12ZXJ5IHByaWNleSBmb3Igd2hhdCB0 aGV5IGFyZTsgYnV0IHZlcnksICB2ZXJ5IGhlbHBmdWwuDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KIA0KRldJVw0KIA0K TWFydHkNClJWLTcgKEJhZmZsaW5nIGFuZCBDb3dsaW5nKQ0KIA0KIA0KIA0KDQogDQoNCj4gRnJv bTogcmFscGhtYXJpYWZpbmNoQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ0KPiBUbzogcnYtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t DQo+IFN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBSVi1MaXN0OiBHYXRoZXJpbmcgVG9vbHMNCj4gRGF0ZTogVHVlLCA1 IEphbiAyMDEwIDE2OjM3OjI1IC0wODAwDQo+IA0KPiAtLT4gUlYtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3Rl ZCBieTogIlJhbHBoICYgTWFyaWEgRmluY2giIDxyYWxwaG1hcmlhZmluY2hAZ21haWwuY29tPg0K PiANCj4gPiBXaGF0IGRvIHlvdSBhbGwgdGhpbmsgb2YgdGhpcyBzZXR1cD8NCj4gPiBodHRwOi8v Y2dpLmViYXkuY29tL2ViYXltb3RvcnMvd3MvZUJheUlTQVBJLmRsbD9WaWV3SXRlbSZpdGVtPTM4 MDA5NjYxOTA1MiNodF8xNDc1d3RfOTQxDQo+IA0KPiBZdWNrLg0KPiANCj4gWW91IHdpbGwgYmUg c3VyZSB0byBiZSBmcnVzdHJhdGVkIHdpdGggdGhlIGNoZWFwIGp1bmsuIFRoZSBIYXJib3IgRnJl aWdodC1saWtlIHF1YWxpdHkgaXMgT0sgZm9yIGEgZmV3IHNlbGRvbSB1c2VkIGl0ZW1zLCBidXQg Zm9yIHlvdXIgbWFpbiB0b29scywgZ2V0IHF1YWxpdHkgc3R1ZmYuIFRoaW5rIGFib3V0IGl0LCB5 b3VyIGFpcnBsYW5lIGJ1aWxkIGZpbmFsIGNvc3QgaXMgYW55d2hlcmUgZnJvbSAkMzBLIHRvICQ4 MEsgaW5jbHVkaW5nIGtpdCwgZW5naW5lLCBhY2Nlc3NvcmllcywgYW5kIGluc3RydW1lbnRzICsg YXZpb25pY3MuLi5hbmQgeW91J3JlIHRyeWluZyB0byBzYXZlIGEgZmV3IGh1bmRyZWQgd2l0aCBj aGVhcCB0b29scz8NCj4gDQo+IEkgaGF2ZSBhbiBFeGNlbCB3b3Jrc2hlZXQsIG5vdyBhIGNvdXBs ZSB5ZWFycyBvbGQsIG9mIHJlY29tbWVuZGVkIHRvb2xzIGFuZCBzdXBwbGllcnMgZnJvbSBvbmUg b2YgdGhlIHdlbGwta25vd24gYnVpbGRpbmcgdHJhaW5lcnMuIEkgd29uJ3QgcG9zdCBpdCBwdWJs aWNhbGx5IGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlIGxpc3Qgc3RhcnRlZCB3aXRoIHRoZW0gKEkgcHV0IGl0IGludG8g RXhjZWwpLCBidXQgd2lsbCBlbWFpbCB0byB0aG9zZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkLiBUaGUgcHJpY2VzIGFu ZCBsaW5rcyBhcmUgbm93IHNvbWV3aGF0IG9sZCBidXQgdGhlIGl0ZW1zIHN0aWxsIHJlbGV2YW50 Lg0KPiANCj4gUmFscGggRmluY2gNCj4gRGF2aXMsIENhbGlmb3JuaWENCj4gUlYtOUEgUUItU0EN Cj4gDQo+IA0KPiANCj4gDQo+X19fX19fX19fXyBJbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBmcm9tIEVTRVQgU21hcnQg U2VjdXJpdHksIHZlcnNpb24gb2YgdmlydXMgc2lnbmF0dXJlIGRhdGFiYXNlIDQ3NDYgKDIwMTAw MTA1KV9fX19fX19fX18NCj4gDQo+IFRoZSBtZXNzYWdlIHdhcyBjaGVja2VkIGJ5IEVTRVQgU21h cnQgU2VjdXJpdHkuDQo+IA0KPiANCj4gDQo+IA0KPiANCj09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KPT09PT09PT09 PT09DQo9PT09PT09PT09PT0NCj09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KPiANCj4gDQo+IA0KIAkJIAkgICAJCSAg DQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fXw0KWW91ciBFLW1haWwgYW5kIE1vcmUgT24tdGhlLUdvLiBHZXQgV2luZG93cyBM aXZlIEhvdG1haWwgRnJlZS4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:01 AM PST US From: steve Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter I'm using the shutter style add-on from Vans that fits between the baffle b ehind cyl #4 and the oil cooler.- The shutter deflection is then operated via an automotive choke style cable mounted near the instrument panel.- I'll try to get the pix posted today.- But, I'm old, retired, tired, and this is hard.=0A=0Asteve=0A282S VariEze=0A283S RV7=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: BRUCE GRAY =0ATo: M atronics =0ASent: Tue, January 5, 2010 6:21:44 PM=0A Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter=0A=0ASteve, I take it your n ot using the shutter style oil cooler set-up. If possible when the photo's are available try to host them and post a link for us to learn from. TIA, B ruce=0ARV-8=0A-=0A________________________________=0ADate: Mon, 4 Jan 201 0 17:13:35 -0800=0AFrom: steve282s@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com; lycomingengines-list@matron ics.com=0A=0A=0AJust flew back from California to Topeka, Ks.- Outside de parture temp was 19 when I left Topeka and arrival temp was 12.- I flew a t 10,500 and 9,500 over the rockies.- My oat temp was never above 28 F ho wever the sensor is in the cabin air inlet area and I'm told it reads high due to the engine heat.- But, I was able to very the oil temp between 160 and 180 the entire way.- It works!- If you want some pix I'll send the m (they're still in the camera).- Installation was easy as was the cable routing.- I would do it again in a heart beat.- And, no. I'm not going to mention the temperature in Southern California!!!=0A=0ASteve Stucky=0ARV -7=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ralph E. Capen =0ATo: rv-list ; lycoming engine list =0ASent: Mon, January 4, 2010 4:03:14 PM=0ASubject: RV-List: Van's oil cooler shutter=0A=0A--> RV-List message po sted by: "Ralph E. Capen" =0A=0AAnyone have one of t hese on their baffle behind the #4 cylinder?=0A=0AWould like to see picture s - hear your story.=0A=0AMy Vernatherm and oil temp sender are both good - my oil temp runs too cold in the winter.=0A=0AMy IO360B1F6 with SW 8406R c ooler gives me a straight-line 185F degree oil temp in the summer (OAT over 65F) - but won't make 150F in the lower OAT ranges.=0A=0AWe get some weird temperature ranges here on the DelMarVa peninsula so a fixed block-off pla te inside my plenum doesn't make sense - like this cockpit controllable uni t.=0A=0AThanks in advance!=0ARalph Capen=0AN822AR (Patience) @ N06 47hrs - almost done withntent also available via the - - - - - - - - - -Matt Drall=============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AHotmail: Powerful Free email wi ====0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools From: Steven Reynard Besides, you need something to mix your two part epoxy primer. ;) A good plug-in model is also good. The wait for the battery to recharge can really slow ya down. I need to get a new battery. . . . The only time you have too many quality tools is when you don't have enough room left to use them. :0 Steve Reynard RV-7A Wings On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Marty Helller wrote: > Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars, all the posts I've read > stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. > > The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good, fast, electic > drill (spinning 1700 or better). > Yes, they are bigger, bulkier, and heavy than an air drill; but you don't > need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Flash of > the Obvious (BFO) tip from thisforum, where the author quoted, 'and I never > looked back.' and I agree. > . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:01 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Costco for about $17) to help in putting in all of the screws in the cover plates and floor boards. I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value. dave RV 7A (135 hours) On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com wrote: > I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare > battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No > noise nor chuck key to keep up with either. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > From: Marty Helller > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000 > To: > Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools > > Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts > I've read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B > =3B > The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C > fast=2C elect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better). > Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B > but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I > got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this > =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.' > and I agree. =3B > > Four =3Bother tips: > - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason) > - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones > - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of > weight' f= or the gold you spend on it. > - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very > pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful. > =3B > FWIW > =3B > Marty > RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling) > =3B > =3B > =3B > > =3B > > >=3B From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com > >=3B To: rv-list@matronics.= com > >=3B Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools > >=3B Date: Tue=2C = 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800 > >=3B > >=3B -->=3B RV-List message pos= ted by: "Ralph &=3B Maria Finch" <=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com > >=3B>=3B > >=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup? > >=3B &= gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&=3Bitem= > =380096619052#ht_1475wt_941 > >=3B > >=3B Yuck. > >=3B > >= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The > Harbor Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C > but for your main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C > your airplane build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K > including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments + > avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap = tools? > >=3B > >=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of > recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build= > ing trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started > with them= (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those > interested. The prices an= d links are now somewhat old but the > items still relevant. > >=3B > &g= t=3B Ralph Finch > >=3B Davis=2C California > >=3B RV-9A QB-SA > >= =3B > >=3B > >=3B > >=3B > >=3B __________ Information from= ESET Smart Security=2C version of > virus signature database 4746 (20100105)= __________ > >=3B > >=3B The message was checked by ESET Smart Secu= == > >=3B > >=3B > >=3B > > Your = E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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Just be careful dra gging that cord across sharp aluminum edges. John L. Danielson From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was available at Cost co for about $17) to help in putting in all of the screws in the cover pla tes and floor boards. I agree that either Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value. dave RV 7A (135 hours) On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com wrote: I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare battery it w orked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No noise nor chuck key t o keep up with either. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________ From: Marty Helller > Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've rea d = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B =3B The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C e lect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better). Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from this =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked back.' and I agree. =3B Four =3Bother tips: - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason) - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' f = or the gold you spend on it. - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful. =3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com>=3B>=3B >=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup? >=3B &= gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte m&=3Bitem= =3D380096619052#ht_1475wt_941 >=3B >=3B Yuck. >=3B >= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The Harbo r Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C but for y our main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C your airplan e build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K including kit=2C engi ne=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments + avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap = tools? >=3B >=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of rec ommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build= ing traine rs. I won't post it publically because the list started with them= (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those interested. The prices an= d links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant. >=3B &g= t=3B Ralph Finch >=3B Davis=2C California >=3B RV-9A QB-SA >= =3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B __________ Information from= ESET Smart Security=2C version of v irus signature database 4746 (20100105)= __________ >=3B >=3B The message was checked by ESET Smart Secu= =3D=3D=3D >=3B >=3B >=3B ________________________________ Your = E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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That was before battery powered drills. The other reason was to get the high speed that was appropriate for drilling the aluminum sheet. I suppose a GFI (ground fault interrupter?) circuit or the modern-day equivalent might solve the first problem. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Reynard Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:34 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools Besides, you need something to mix your two part epoxy primer. ;) A good plug-in model is also good. The wait for the battery to recharge can really slow ya down. I need to get a new battery. . . . The only time you have too many quality tools is when you don't have enough room left to use them. :0 Steve Reynard RV-7A Wings On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Marty Helller wrote: > Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars, all the posts I've read > stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. > > The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good, fast, electic > drill (spinning 1700 or better). > Yes, they are bigger, bulkier, and heavy than an air drill; but you don't > need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. I got that Blazing Flash of > the Obvious (BFO) tip from thisforum, where the author quoted, 'and I never > looked back.' and I agree. > . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:18 AM PST US From: Bruce Swayze Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools I looked at this package on eBay. You will want a drill that has an old-fashioned adjustable chuck. Those drill bits with the hex ends that fit in the quick change drill will be expensive to replace. I agree with the previous posts about getting quality tools. That said, however, I saved a lot of money on a number of tools that you have to have but don't use that often by buying used or looking on eBay. For example, I picked up a right-angle drill for about $50 that I know would have cost me several hundred if I bought it new. It's an awesome tool and it works great. You have to have one of these eventually, but you don't need a brand new one. It's not used that often. There are other examples as well. I have had extremely good service and can't say enough about my experiences with Avery Tools, Cleveland, PlaneTools, and some others as well. At 06:19 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote: > >I'm piecing together a set of tools. What do you all think of this setup? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380096619052#ht_1475wt_941 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:45 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools Here is a good drill that I bought and it's on sale right now! *http://tinyurl.com/yzl2jh4* ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/RVSite.htm David Cudney wrote: > Ditto on the lithium ion drill (Makita expensive but great). One more > tool to the mix -- a small lithium ion hand screw driver (was > available at Costco for about $17) to help in putting in all of the > screws in the cover plates and floor boards. I agree that either > Cleveland or Avery RV tool kits are a great value. > > dave > RV 7A (135 hours) > > On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 AM, glennbell@cablelynx.com > wrote: > >> I have to agree. I used a skil 18 volt lithium ion. With spare >> battery it worked great. Easy to control with plenty of power. No >> noise nor chuck key to keep up with either. >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *Marty Helller > > >> *Date: *Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:12:34 +0000 >> *To: *> >> *Subject: *RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools >> >> Without trying to start more 'primer type' wars=2C all the posts I've >> read = stated the same thing about buying quaility tools. =3B >> =3B >> The one 'blastphomeous' part I'll sugest is getting a good=2C fast=2C >> elect= ic drill (spinning 1700 or better). >> Yes=2C they are bigger=2C bulkier=2C and heavy than an air drill=3B >> but you= don't need to wait for the compressor to re-charge. =3B I >> got that Bla= zing Flash of the Obvious (BFO) tip from >> this =3Bforum=2C where the aut= hor quoted=2C 'and I never looked >> back.' and I agree. =3B >> >> Four =3Bother tips: >> - Roto-zip for a die grinder (same reason) >> - Good quality dimple dies=3B else you'll buy many lower cost ones >> - =3BTALCO squeezer and accesories=3B It's worth its 'lack of weight' >> f= or the gold you spend on it. >> - =3B 90 degree threaded drill set as a= lready mentioned--very >> pricey for what they are=3B but very=2C =3B very= helpful. >> =3B >> FWIW >> =3B >> Marty >> RV-7 (Baffling and Cowling) >> =3B >> =3B >> =3B >> >> =3B >> >> >=3B From: ralphmariafinch@gmail.com >> >=3B To: rv-list@matronics.= com >> >=3B Subject: RE: RV-List: Gathering Tools >> >=3B Date: Tue=2C = 5 Jan 2010 16:37:25 -0800 >> >=3B >> >=3B -->=3B RV-List message pos= ted by: "Ralph &=3B Maria Finch" >> <=3Bralphmariafinch@gmail.com >> >=3B>=3B >> >=3B >=3B What do you all think of this setup? >> >=3B &= >> gt=3B http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&=3Bitem= >> =380096619052#ht_1475wt_941 >> >=3B >> >=3B Yuck. >> >=3B >> >= =3B You will be sure to be frustrated with the cheap junk. The >> Harbor Freig= ht-like quality is OK for a few seldom used items=2C >> but for your main tool= s=2C get quality stuff. Think about it=2C >> your airplane build final cost is= anywhere from $30K to $80K >> including kit=2C engine=2C accessories=2C and i= nstruments + >> avionics...and you're trying to save a few hundred with cheap = tools? >> >=3B >> >=3B I have an Excel worksheet=2C now a couple years= old=2C of >> recommended tools and suppliers from one of the well-known build= ing >> trainers. I won't post it publically because the list started with >> them= (I put it into Excel)=2C but will email to those interested. >> The prices an= d links are now somewhat old but the items still relevant. >> >=3B >> &g= t=3B Ralph Finch >> >=3B Davis=2C California >> >=3B RV-9A QB-SA >> >= =3B >> >=3B >> >=3B >> >=3B >> >=3B __________ Information from= ESET Smart Security=2C version of >> virus signature database 4746 (20100105)= __________ >> >=3B >> >=3B The message was checked by ESET Smart Secu= == >> >=3B >> >=3B >> >=3B >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Your = E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign >> up now. = <3D%27http:/=> >> * >> >> 3D============================================ >> face="3D"courier" new,courier"="">* <3D%27http:/=>*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List <3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List%22> >> 3D============================================ >> href="3D"http://forums.matronics.com"">http://forums.matronics.com >> 3D============================================ >> href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> 3D============================================ >> >> * >> * >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:33 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: More on Tools (moron tools?) From: fiveonepw@aol.com >From the FWIW dept. if ya don't mind a bit of reading, see: ? http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/?q=tools ? Worked for me, and most applies to the new kits as well... ? Mark Phillips, RV-6A "Mojo" 550+ hrs and she's STILL a good girl! 8-) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:14 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: Re: RV-List: Gathering Tools With twenty years of sheet metal experience. i have bought every tool in the book. used counter sink cages are a decent deal off ebay along with 90 degree drills at worse they will need bearings. Get a pneumatic squeeze you are going to want one. with a quick trip to the welder you can modify the dimpling frame to accept the squeeze. About drills, a good pneumatic 3/8 chuck high speed is what you want. and a electric 1/2 slow speed die grinders, these are harbor freight items. just include an in-line oilier and they will live long beyond this project. clecos you can never have too many. A good setup shop/ with easy access will save you years off the build time. insulate your compressor/ you and your neighbors will appreciate it. rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.