---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/22/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 AM - Garmin G3X EIS & Auto Pilot (Robin Marks) 2. 03:35 AM - Re: Smoke Systems? (RV6 Flyer) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Dick & Vicki Sipp) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Smoke Systems? (Linn Walters) 5. 08:16 AM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 10:54 AM - Re: Smoke Systems? (Timothy E. Cone) 7. 12:46 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Dave Bergh) 8. 04:02 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Scott) 9. 04:59 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Kevin Horton) 10. 04:59 PM - New product introduction: TCW Technologies (Bob-tcw) 11. 10:38 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Matt Dralle) 12. 10:43 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Matt Dralle) 13. 10:43 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Matt Dralle) 14. 10:53 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Matt Dralle) 15. 10:56 PM - Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:12 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Garmin G3X EIS & Auto Pilot From: "Robin Marks" As a heads up on the 20th Garmin announced the EIS component of the G3X including sensors would be available in February. They further announced an integrated Autopilot interface when mated to the TruTrak GX (not on TruTrak's website that I can find). As Garmin says: TruTrak GX Pilot autopilot has been designed to integrate seamlessly with the G3X, will enjoy advanced autopilot features that can be operated right from the PFD. Using controls and status indications derived from Garmin's certified GFC 700, the G3X autopilot interface implements sophisticated flight control modes including altitude preselect and capture, heading hold, GPS navigation with turn anticipation, and coupled VNAV descents. When used in conjunction with a GNS 430W or 530W, the G3X can also fly coupled holding patterns, procedure turns, and WAAS approaches. Cool! More basic info: The basic G3X system is available at a starting street price of $9,995 and includes a GDU 370 glass display, GSU 73 ADAHRS and engine interface unit, GMU 44 magnetometer and GTP 59 air temperature probe. The G3X engine sensor kits for Lycoming, Continental, Rotax and Jabiru engines are sold separately. A software update that adds EIS and autopilot features is expected to be available for free from www.garmin.com in February 2010. Someone on the list was concerned that Garmin may not offer their ADS-b package for the G3X. Garmin stated in their press release Wednesday: "Regardless of the type of aircraft a customer operates, they should never have to sacrifice features or services that enhance situational awareness, improve safety of flight" Ok, marketing 101 but as I always thought why would they turn down $9,000 by not making the new ADS-b available on the G3X? Robin BTW, I guess I feel compelled to say I have no ties to Garmin other than my G900x, 396, Nuvi 200 & 205, Golf GPS and a Garmin T-Shirt I occasionally use when changing my Aeroshell. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:36 AM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Smoke Systems? See inserted answers. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C340+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA From: flyboyedwards@yahoo.com Subject: RV-List: Smoke Systems? Hey Guys and Gals=2C I was wondering what people are using for their smoke systems. I have a RV- 4=2C and I'm wondering what I should do to get smoke in that plane. I've looked at the "smoking Airplanes" site=2C and it looks nice=2C but so does the price tag. What is everyone using? Smoking Airplane system. IF you were to design and built yourself=2C you w ill have just as much money up plus your time. How about oils? DO NOT use ATF or motor oil. It gets all over the belly of the airplane. Smoke oil works best. Diesel fuel is 2nd but flammable. Smoke oil has the longest HANG time. Diesel is just as thick close to the airplane but THINS out the smoke trail quickly. How about two spray nozzles? Necessary for good smoke stream. Thanks for all of the help! Jason Edwards RV-4 "Dream Chaser" N28EW- Flying. Richland Center=2C WI. DO NOT ARCHIVE. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:34 AM PST US From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... Matt: You should be very proud, nice work! I really like the interior look. Dick Sipp ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Smoke Systems? RV6 Flyer wrote: snip > > DO NOT use ATF or motor oil. It gets all over the belly of the airplane. In my experience, if you're getting oil all over the belly, you're flowing too much oil .... no matter what the type. ATF is a little thinner than Corvus oil. I wouldn't think of using motor oil .... the flash point is way too low. Linn snip > > Jason Edwards > RV-4 "Dream Chaser" > N28EW- Flying. > Richland Center, WI. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE. > > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R========= > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:15 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... Great job Matt.. That plane is looking super. !!!! Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Matt Dralle m Subject: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... Hey RV'ers, I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wirin g, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left i s some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends a nd its time to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just for fun. Test flight in March...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ZKk1tP-dVcqalUgxuZTE4 wAAJ1HOX6m7NtFYSFKPhB8gxgzbAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR wAAAAA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:41 AM PST US From: "Timothy E. Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Smoke Systems? Gary, I agree with you about the oils with one addition. DO NOT use recycled french fry oil...don't ask how I know. I almost got a new callsign outta that one. I like Slick lots mobetter than "Greesey" I have to disagree with you about the roll your own. My smoke is just as strong as any system I've seen, and I'm not more than $200 into it. Here are some pics of my system http://picasaweb.google.com/tconerv8/SmokeSystem# A poly tank from NorthernTool.com for $36 Mine is a 3.5 gallon model that fits in the forward baggage space in the -8. I picked my pump up at an ag supply place for about $60. http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_357081 _357081 The solenoid is about $35 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110380750 209&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Various hoses and wiring don't add up to the $500 difference, so I splurged on a Smoking Airplanes nozzle for $45. All that said, the guy at Smoking Airplanes is a hell of a nice guy and if I were not so darned cheap, I'd have bought from him, but I couldn't swallow the price. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: RV6 Flyer To: RV List Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:34 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Smoke Systems? See inserted answers. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,340+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:02:16 -0800 From: flyboyedwards@yahoo.com Subject: RV-List: Smoke Systems? To: rv-list@matronics.com Hey Guys and Gals, I was wondering what people are using for their smoke systems. I have a RV-4, and I'm wondering what I should do to get smoke in that plane. I've looked at the "smoking Airplanes" site, and it looks nice, but so does the price tag. What is everyone using? Smoking Airplane system. IF you were to design and built yourself, you will have just as much money up plus your time. How about oils? DO NOT use ATF or motor oil. It gets all over the belly of the airplane. Smoke oil works best. Diesel fuel is 2nd but flammable. Smoke oil has the longest HANG time. Diesel is just as thick close to the airplane but THINS out the smoke trail quickly. How about two spray nozzles? Necessary for good smoke stream. Thanks for all of the help! Jason Edwards RV-4 "Dream Chaser" N28EW- Flying. Richland Center, WI. DO NOT ARCHIVE. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:48 PM PST US From: "Dave Bergh" Subject: RE: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... Matt, That is some beautiful work on everything - love the headrest display for the PX. Those seats look very nice as well-what's the story on them? Dave Bergh RV-6 Slowwwww build Mtn Home, ID _____ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:23 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... And where's the steam gauges? ;) Dave Bergh wrote: > > Matt, > > That is some beautiful work on everything - love the headrest display > for the PX. > > Those seats look very nice as well-whats the story on them? > > Dave Bergh > > RV-6 Slowwwww build > > Mtn Home, ID > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:01 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... On 22 Jan 2010, at 00:45, Matt Dralle wrote: > > Hey RV'ers, > > I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been > working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, > Interior, Wiring, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically > all I've got left is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a > few other odds and ends and its time to move it out to the hanger > for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just > for fun. > > Test flight in March...? Looks beautiful! The empty weight is likely to be a pretty scary number though. Oh well. What is the round thing on the outside of the left aft side of the canopy skirt? Good luck with all the final details. You'll be amazed at the number of little things that crawl out of the woodwork as you shoot for the first flight. There will be depressingly long periods when the list of things to do keeps getting longer, even though you are completing items at a furious rate. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:01 PM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: RV-List: New product introduction: TCW Technologies Fellow RV builders, TCW Technologies, is pleased to introduce our newest product, Integrated Back-up Battery System (IBBS). IBBS is a complete back-up battery solution for powering critical electronics such as EFIS, GPS, Autopilots and Engine monitors. The IBBS product combines a rechargeable ni-mh battery, a smart charger circuit and the transfer switch in a single enclosure that is easy to install and only 1/2 the weight of a comparable lead acid battery. The IBBS provides about 1 hour of back-up endurance for typical EFIS and GPS systems; additionally, it includes surge suppression and allows systems to operational before and during engine cranking. The IBBS system is very easy to install and eliminates other field installed components such as transfer contactors and diodes. The IBBS product has been tested by Garmin for use with their G3x series of products. For all the details please visit our web site: www.tcwtech.com Thanks, Bob Newman TCW Technologies, LLC. rv-10 40176 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:56 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... It is a combination of textured black power coat and a matching epoxy spray. The parts that were removable and non-structural, I powder coated. Everything else got the epoxy spray. For the exact paint part numbers and types, contact Kraig Maas at Maas Brothers Powder Coating. Kraig's super and really did an awesome job on all of the parts. http://maasbrothersinc.com/ I dragged the whole fuselage down to his shop for spraying the inside: The Trip There: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=94482&row=100 The Spraying: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=94686&row=83 The Trip Back: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=0&log=94818&row=76 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... At 09:19 AM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote: >Matt, > >Beautiful work. I love the color you choose for your interior. Can you tell me more about it? It appears to be a hammered look. I looked around your site but couldn't find any info on it. I'm building a -7 and I'm about ready to start painting my interior. I hope mine turns out as nice as yours. > >Thanks, > >Tim Bolton >Denver, NC > >RV-7 (#72696) >www.TheRV7.com (site no longer updated, would rather work on the plane) > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" >To: ; ; >Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:45 AM >Subject: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... > > >> >>Hey RV'ers, >> >>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just for fun. >> >>Test flight in March...? >> >>Matt Dralle >>RV-8 #82880 N998RV >>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos >>Final Assembly... Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:21 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... "Steam Gauges"? I don't need no 'stinking steam gauges!!! ;-) Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... At 03:26 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote: > >And where's the steam gauges? ;) > > >Dave Bergh wrote: >> >>Matt, >> >>That is some beautiful work on everything - love the headrest display for the PX. >> >>Those seats look very nice as well-whats the story on them? >> >>Dave Bergh >> >>RV-6 Slowwwww build >> >>Mtn Home, ID ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:22 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RE: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... At 12:20 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote: >Matt, >That is some beautiful work on everything - love the headrest display for the PX. >Those seats look very nice as well-whats the story on them? > >Dave Bergh >RV-6 Slowwwww build >Mtn Home, ID The all-leather/Comferfoam seats are from Classic Aero ( http://www.classic.aero ). There was quite a bit of custom work on the front seat. I documented the whole process here: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/category.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=4395 Luke at Classic was really great to work with. They turned out some REALLY nice stuff for me. I would highly recommend them! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:16 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... At 04:03 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote: > >On 22 Jan 2010, at 00:45, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >>Hey RV'ers, >> >>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been >>working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, >>Interior, Wiring, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically >>all I've got left is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a >>few other odds and ends and its time to move it out to the hanger >>for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just >>for fun. >> >>Test flight in March...? > >Looks beautiful! The empty weight is likely to be a pretty scary >number though. Oh well. > >What is the round thing on the outside of the left aft side of the >canopy skirt? > >Good luck with all the final details. You'll be amazed at the number >of little things that crawl out of the woodwork as you shoot for the >first flight. There will be depressingly long periods when the list >of things to do keeps getting longer, even though you are completing >items at a furious rate. > >-- >Kevin Horton >RV-8 >Ottawa, Canada >http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 Yeah, I'm pretty scared to put it on the scale, too. I've got everything but the kitchen sink in there. Good thing I got a big motor! :-) The roundy thing on the left side panel is the custom canopy lock. It came out really nice and really works good. Here's some documentation on the installation (6 log entries): http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=75155&row=223 Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be about 1000 more things to do before I fly. My time estimates are usually always off by 100%. So, maybe not March, but more like, May. Either way, still lots of great flying weather!! Maybe Van's Homecoming this year! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:05 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: Current Status Of Mr. RV-8... Well, you'll get there!! I've put about 2200 hours in on the RV-8 project in about the last 18 months... I started it about mid-June of 08. Its a QB. I've been dreaming about flying my own RV for 21 years now since I first started the RV-4 project way back in 1988!! I was one of the youngest people to be building an RV back then. Now, not so much... ;-) That first flight will definitely be a very special occasion... Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos Final Assembly... At 12:16 PM 1/22/2010 Friday, you wrote: >--> RV7-List message posted by: Bruce Swayze > >Matt, > >I'm VERY impressed with all the interior installations. Great job! > >Now I realize more than ever just how much work I have ahead of me. Thanks for the inspiration. > >At 09:45 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote: > >>Hey RV'ers, >> >>I've been a little quiet lately on the List because I've been working so hard on the RV-8! I'm happy to report that the Engine, Interior, Wiring, Avionics, and canopy are all complete. Basically all I've got left is some fiberglass around the windscreen, and a few other odds and ends and its time to move it out to the hanger for final assembly! I thought I'd share a few current pictures just for fun. >> >>Test flight in March...? >> >>Matt Dralle >>RV-8 #82880 N998RV >>http://www.mattsrv8.com Tons Of Construction Photos >>Final Assembly... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.