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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Neal George)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Fisher Paul A.)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Tim Bryan)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Kelly McMullen)
5. 06:25 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (richard seiders)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: ZAON PCAS MRX (richard seiders)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (David Cudney)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (RV6 Flyer)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Larry Bowen)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: ZAON PCAS MRX (jjconstant)
11. 09:15 AM - Torque Wrench Extension (Charles Brame)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Michael Kraus)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: Torque Wrench Extension ()
14. 10:49 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Tailgummer@aol.com)
15. 10:55 AM - Ignition Cable Seals (Wade Roe)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Seals (Randy Hooper)
17. 02:12 PM - XM WX Price Increase (Robin Marks)
18. 03:12 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Bob Leffler)
19. 03:25 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
.and if you clock the adapter so it's 90-deg from the torque wrench, no math
is required.
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG
=================
Matt,
First, thanks for the list.
The torque is a ratio of the claw to the handle. If the crow foot is 1" from
the square hole to the center of the nut and the handle is 10" from the
square peg to the center of the handle, then the ratio is 10%. If you apply
100 in/lbs it will be 110 at the nut.
John Morgensen
RV4 - flying
RV9A - Wiring
Matt Dralle wrote:
Dear Listers,
I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire
though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
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| Subject: | Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
Matt,
You can use one of the converters online to do the calculations for you like this
one:
http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx
They also show you the math behind it if you'd rather do it yourself.
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF ~70 hours waiting for the snow to stop!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 22:17
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Dear Listers,
I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension
on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though
those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
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| Subject: | Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about
the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there
for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I
contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My
prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring
lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am
curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something
real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on
certified aircraft when they leave the factory?
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Dear Listers,
I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire
though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel
Pants...
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
Go look around the ramp. I doubt you will find any certified planes with
Hartzells that are not safety-wired. Yes, safety wiring the prop nuts is
a major pain in the backsides.
Or you could just read the owners manual(aka RTFM) available for download at
http://www.hartzellprop.com/product_support/index_support.htm
Basically, it says to safety wire if required by the aircraft
maintenance manual. Since you create that, I guess you could avoid
safetying. So I guess your inspector was technically correct, but I
think you will find in general Hartzells are safetied like most props
retained by conventional bolts.
Kelly
EAA Tech counselor
A&P/IA
Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about
> the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there
> for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I
> contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My
> prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring
> lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am
> curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something
> real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on
> certified aircraft when they leave the factory?
>
> Tim Bryan
> RV-6 Flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire
> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel
> Pants...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop.
(happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing
plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough.
I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins.
Dick
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire
> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZAON PCAS MRX |
I use the mrx unit an while not the answer to all collision issues it is
great! It won't tell you where the target is , but w/i 5 miles it will pick
it up and tell you how far from you it is and above or below your altitude
in hundreds of feet increments. What more do you need? The altitude is the
key and if the distance is closing and you are at same level either climb or
desend to avoid potential conflict. Not the answer for airplanes flying
around you w/o a transponder, but fortunately those numbers are few.
Dick Seiders
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:51 AM, <Vanremog@aol.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone on the list flying with one of these collision avoidance
> devices that can give a pirep?
>
> -Thx
>
> N1GV (RV-6A Flying 934TTAE Silicon Valley, CA)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
Yes you so use safety wire. I used .041. It is very difficult to use
-- particularly in the close quarters. A propeller shop near here
recommends .032. Hartzel recommends .041 in the manual . I've heard
some say that they know of individuals who don't use safety wire at
all --- I would not recommend this!!
good luck
dave
On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Don wrote:
>
> Matt,
> I can't remember the conversion and I am sure that someone else will
> answer
> that before I can get to my hangar and look at my torque wrench that
> has the
> conversion in the box. I can say yes you do safety wire the bolts.
> Alxo it
> looks like the piece you made behind the prop cut out in the spinner
> is very
> close to the prop. You should be very carefull with that as the4
> prop will
> flex backwards and will wear if the spinner filler is too close.
> Both Dan C
> and I had this problem. Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:17 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a
> safety wire
> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass
> Around Wheel
> Pants...
>
>
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| Subject: | Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
Matt:
The Owner's Manual for the prop says that it needs to be safety wired.
I will confess that I flew my RV-6 for 12-years and over 2=2C000 hours with
out the safety wire. I did safety wire it after I had it overhauled. I lo
oked up the torque in the Owner's Manual and found the note about safety wi
ring it after the overhaul re-installation.
The easy way for the torque is to just make sure that the wrench is 90 degr
ees to the torque wrench so that the conversion is one to one.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C2341+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Monday=2C February 08=2C 2010 8:17 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
>
>
> Dear Listers=2C
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question=2C on those hartzell prop bolts=2C do you run a safety
wire
> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wh
eel
> Pants...
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
I think I recall finding answers to all these questions in the
hartzell manual that came with the prop.
On 2/9/10, richard seiders <dickseiders@gmail.com> wrote:
> ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop.
> (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing
> plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough.
> I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins.
> Dick
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>>
>> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>>
>> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
>> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>>
>> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire
>> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
>> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
>> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
>>
>
--
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: ZAON PCAS MRX |
There are a good number of reviews over here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=50807&highlight=zaon+mrx
Jeremy Constant
RV7A Phase I...3 hours!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285637#285637
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| Subject: | Torque Wrench Extension |
Matt, et. al.,
As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the
extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied
directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
-----------------------------------------------------
> Time: 08:22:28 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension
> on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a
> safety wire though
> those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
I have always safety wired mine..... Through the roll pins....
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:24 AM, richard seiders <dickseiders@gmail.com>
wrote:
> ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut
> te prop. (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back
> to the backing plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just
> enough.
> I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins.
> Dick
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
>
> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
>
> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
>
> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a
> safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Wrench Extension |
Sears also has several selections of extension wrenches:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=crowfoot+wrench&v
Name
Here's a Torque Wrench Extension Calculator:
http://www.rv7.us/a_u-torquewrenchsetting.htm
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Brame
To: RV List
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extension
Matt, et. al.,
As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the
extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied
directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
-----------------------------------------------------
Time: 08:22:28 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench
Dear Listers,
I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery:
http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx
But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this
extension
on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench?
One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a
safety wire though
those rollpins pins in the bolt heads?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants...
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench |
Hmmm. My Hartzell manual specified 0.032" safety wire.
John D
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| Subject: | Ignition Cable Seals |
Hello all. I need a source for ignition cable seals to mount on the engine
baffling of my -7. Did not see on Spruce's website. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Wade Roe
RV-7 (in progress)
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| Subject: | XM WX Price Increase |
Snip:
In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the
XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and
the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon
your next renewal.
I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save
a few $.
Robin
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| Subject: | XM WX Price Increase |
Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the
DirecTv business.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase
Snip:
In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the
XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and
the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon
your next renewal.
I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save
a few $.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: XM WX Price Increase |
Ads-b is lookin better and better.
On 2/9/10, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the
> DirecTv business.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase
>
>
> Snip:
> In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the
> XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and
> the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon
> your next renewal.
>
> I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save
> a few $.
>
> Robin
>
>
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