---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/09/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Neal George) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Fisher Paul A.) 3. 06:00 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Tim Bryan) 4. 06:24 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Kelly McMullen) 5. 06:25 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (richard seiders) 6. 06:39 AM - Re: ZAON PCAS MRX (richard seiders) 7. 07:40 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (David Cudney) 8. 07:43 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (RV6 Flyer) 9. 08:33 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Larry Bowen) 10. 08:45 AM - Re: ZAON PCAS MRX (jjconstant) 11. 09:15 AM - Torque Wrench Extension (Charles Brame) 12. 09:50 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Michael Kraus) 13. 10:24 AM - Re: Torque Wrench Extension () 14. 10:49 AM - Re: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench (Tailgummer@aol.com) 15. 10:55 AM - Ignition Cable Seals (Wade Roe) 16. 11:43 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Seals (Randy Hooper) 17. 02:12 PM - XM WX Price Increase (Robin Marks) 18. 03:12 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Bob Leffler) 19. 03:25 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Larry Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:34 AM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RE: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench .and if you clock the adapter so it's 90-deg from the torque wrench, no math is required. Neal RV-7 N8ZG ================= Matt, First, thanks for the list. The torque is a ratio of the claw to the handle. If the crow foot is 1" from the square hole to the center of the nut and the handle is 10" from the square peg to the center of the handle, then the ratio is 10%. If you apply 100 in/lbs it will be 110 at the nut. John Morgensen RV4 - flying RV9A - Wiring Matt Dralle wrote: Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:56 AM PST US From: "Fisher Paul A." Subject: RE: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Matt, You can use one of the converters online to do the calculations for you like this one: http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx They also show you the math behind it if you'd rather do it yourself. Paul A. Fisher RV-7A N18PF ~70 hours waiting for the snow to stop! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 22:17 Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:46 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on certified aircraft when they leave the factory? Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:18 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Go look around the ramp. I doubt you will find any certified planes with Hartzells that are not safety-wired. Yes, safety wiring the prop nuts is a major pain in the backsides. Or you could just read the owners manual(aka RTFM) available for download at http://www.hartzellprop.com/product_support/index_support.htm Basically, it says to safety wire if required by the aircraft maintenance manual. Since you create that, I guess you could avoid safetying. So I guess your inspector was technically correct, but I think you will find in general Hartzells are safetied like most props retained by conventional bolts. Kelly EAA Tech counselor A&P/IA Tim Bryan wrote: > > I would be interested in hearing from any prop shop folks on the list about > the safety wire. I was told by my inspector the roll pins were not there > for safety wire and the prop was not required to be safety wired. I > contacted a repair shop nearby at the time and was told the same thing. My > prop bolts are not and have never been safety wired. I know this will bring > lots of comments but just know I am not advocating it either way. I am > curious if there is anybody that knows the real answer based on something > real. Out of curiosity does anyone know if they are safety wired on > certified aircraft when they leave the factory? > > Tim Bryan > RV-6 Flying > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:17 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel > Pants... > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench From: richard seiders ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop. (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough. I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. Dick On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: ZAON PCAS MRX From: richard seiders I use the mrx unit an while not the answer to all collision issues it is great! It won't tell you where the target is , but w/i 5 miles it will pick it up and tell you how far from you it is and above or below your altitude in hundreds of feet increments. What more do you need? The altitude is the key and if the distance is closing and you are at same level either climb or desend to avoid potential conflict. Not the answer for airplanes flying around you w/o a transponder, but fortunately those numbers are few. Dick Seiders On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:51 AM, wrote: > Is there anyone on the list flying with one of these collision avoidance > devices that can give a pirep? > > -Thx > > N1GV (RV-6A Flying 934TTAE Silicon Valley, CA) > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:14 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Yes you so use safety wire. I used .041. It is very difficult to use -- particularly in the close quarters. A propeller shop near here recommends .032. Hartzel recommends .041 in the manual . I've heard some say that they know of individuals who don't use safety wire at all --- I would not recommend this!! good luck dave On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Don wrote: > > Matt, > I can't remember the conversion and I am sure that someone else will > answer > that before I can get to my hangar and look at my torque wrench that > has the > conversion in the box. I can say yes you do safety wire the bolts. > Alxo it > looks like the piece you made behind the prop cut out in the spinner > is very > close to the prop. You should be very carefull with that as the4 > prop will > flex backwards and will wear if the spinner filler is too close. > Both Dan C > and I had this problem. Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:17 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass > Around Wheel > Pants... > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:48 AM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Matt: The Owner's Manual for the prop says that it needs to be safety wired. I will confess that I flew my RV-6 for 12-years and over 2=2C000 hours with out the safety wire. I did safety wire it after I had it overhauled. I lo oked up the torque in the Owner's Manual and found the note about safety wi ring it after the overhaul re-installation. The easy way for the torque is to just make sure that the wrench is 90 degr ees to the torque wrench so that the conversion is one to one. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C2341+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Monday=2C February 08=2C 2010 8:17 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers=2C > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question=2C on those hartzell prop bolts=2C do you run a safety wire > though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wh eel > Pants... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench From: Larry Bowen I think I recall finding answers to all these questions in the hartzell manual that came with the prop. On 2/9/10, richard seiders wrote: > ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut te prop. > (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back to the backing > plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just enough. > I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: >> >> http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx >> >> But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this >> extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? >> >> One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire >> though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV >> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log >> Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... >> > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:51 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: ZAON PCAS MRX From: "jjconstant" There are a good number of reviews over here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=50807&highlight=zaon+mrx Jeremy Constant RV7A Phase I...3 hours! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285637#285637 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:47 AM PST US From: Charles Brame Subject: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extension Matt, et. al., As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ----------------------------------------------------- > Time: 08:22:28 PM PST US > From: Matt Dralle > Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench > > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension > on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire though > those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:27 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench I have always safety wired mine..... Through the roll pins.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:24 AM, richard seiders wrote: > ditto on the spinner clearance. The view shown will definitley cut > te prop. (happened to me). I cut the filler plate all the way back > to the backing plate to achieve sufficent clearance, and it was just > enough. > I am 99% certain the safety wire passes thru the roll pins. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Matt Dralle > wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: > > http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx > > But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this > extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? > > One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a > safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:11 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extension Sears also has several selections of extension wrenches: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=crowfoot+wrench&v Name Here's a Torque Wrench Extension Calculator: http://www.rv7.us/a_u-torquewrenchsetting.htm Smitty http://SmittysRV.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Brame To: RV List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: RV-List: Torque Wrench Extension Matt, et. al., As long as the torque wrench is positioned exactly 90 degrees to the extension, the torque values are the same as if the wrench was applied directly to the nut. The length of the extension does not matter. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ----------------------------------------------------- Time: 08:22:28 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Dear Listers, I've got this Propeller wrench from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx But what is the multiplier for the torque conversion when using this extension on a standard 1/2" drive torque wrench? One other question, on those hartzell prop bolts, do you run a safety wire though those rollpins pins in the bolt heads? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Fiberglass Around Wheel Pants... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:15 AM PST US From: Tailgummer@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell-Style Propeller Wrench Hmmm. My Hartzell manual specified 0.032" safety wire. 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I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:07 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the DirecTv business. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase Snip: In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon your next renewal. I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase From: Larry Bowen Ads-b is lookin better and better. On 2/9/10, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Interesting that the WX pricing goes up at the same time they lost the > DirecTv business. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: XM WX Price Increase > > > Snip: > In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the > XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and > the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon > your next renewal. > > I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save > a few $. > > Robin > > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.