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1. 05:07 AM - Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs (Marty Helller)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs (Mike Divan)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: Santa Barbara (Chris Stone)
4. 01:47 PM - Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Alan McKeen)
5. 02:55 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Louis Willig)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Neal George)
7. 03:48 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (John Trollinger)
8. 04:09 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Larry Bowen)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Richard McBride)
10. 05:09 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bob Collins)
11. 05:19 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Neal George)
12. 06:16 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Bill Boyd)
13. 06:40 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Richard McBride)
14. 06:59 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bret Smith)
15. 10:29 PM - Inspection Panels (H. Ivan Haecker)
16. 11:42 PM - Re: Inspection Panels (RICHARD MILLER)
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Subject: | Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs |
If one were to make their retirement decision on the location of other RV a
ircraft=2C Doug Reeves RV White Pages would be a helpful place to start.
http://www.vansairforce.net/rvwp.htm
Marty Heller
RV-7 (Almost done with engine baffling....almost)
From: kellym@aviating.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
Well=2C AZ has a ton of RVs of all flavors. My home drome has several flyin
g 8's=2C7's=2C 6's=2C 4's as well as at least 3 10s under construction=2C a
couple 9s and 8 under construction.
do not archive
Richard Tasker wrote:
Actually=2C when you consider the number of RVs flying (6641 according to V
an's hobbs meter) with untold more being built=2C it is probably hard to fi
nd any reputable airport that doesn't have one or two. I know that there a
re quite a number at the airports around here in NJ - some of them with sli
ders and nosewheels (mine included=2C but it was primed). =3B-)
Dick Tasker
Bob Collins wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like
Texas=2C the Pacific Northwest=2C Minnesota=2C and Southern California.
Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia?
Wherever one retires to=2C I assume one would want to have (a) a good airpo
rt
and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun=2C but at the other
end
of the spectrum=2C I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken
place with a dirt and rock runway=2C a broken down airport dog=2C and a rus
ty
can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why
somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't.
Oh=2C and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren
't
primed and have nosewheels.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker
Sent: Wednesday=2C February 17=2C 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker<retasker@optonline.net>
Bob=2C You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger.
And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it ha
s
the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the
countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ.
Dick Tasker
Bob Collins wrote:
I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk
about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer .
How's that? (g)
Do not archive
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*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh
*Sent:* Wednesday=2C February 17=2C 2010 9:49 AM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
Could someone bring Religion in to this thread?
We have covered politics=2C economy=2C geography=2C retirement=2C taxes=2C.
Denis
On Feb 17=2C 2010=2C at 8:27 =2C Robin Marks wrote:
At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed
that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List .
And Ben=2C that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry=2C we are not
trying to censor the list=2C we are trying to follow the lists self
imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive.
Robin
Do Not Archive
*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan
*Sent:* Tuesday=2C February 16=2C 2010 9:59 PM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also
- with his arrogance.
*
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs |
I think it has all been good nature jesting - although I have gotten a few ideas
on places to visit :) In Minnesota, North Carolina, NM.
By the way for some reason I felt like "poking the bear" the last day or so (boredom
with plane on the ground for annual and waiting for a few parts I suppose)
and if I got y'all upset I apologize.
Mike Divan
N64GH - RV6 adopted but flying
N911HS - RV7 in the works (conventional gear, slider with primer in some places.
But most important it is a RV :)
________________________________
From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 5:06:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs
If one were to make their retirement decision on the location of other RV aircraft, Doug Reeves RV White Pages would be a helpful place to start. http://www.vansairforce.net/rvwp.htm
Marty Heller
RV-7 (Almost done with engine baffling....almost)
________________________________
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:44:33 -0700
From: kellym@aviating.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
Well, AZ has a ton of RVs of all flavors. My home drome has several flying 8's,7's,
6's, 4's as well as at least 3 10s under construction, a couple 9s and 8
under construction.
do not archive
Richard Tasker wrote:
>
>Actually, when you consider the number of RVs flying (6641 according to Van's
hobbs meter) with untold more being built, it is probably hard to find any reputable
airport that doesn't have one or two. I know that there are quite a number
at the airports around here in NJ - some of them with sliders and nosewheels
(mine included, but it was primed). ;-)
>
>Dick Tasker
>
>Bob Collins wrote:
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>>
>>HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like
>>Texas, the Pacific Northwest, Minnesota, and Southern California.
>>
>>Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia?
>>
>>Wherever one retires to, I assume one would want to have (a) a good airport
>>and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun, but at the other end
>>of the spectrum, I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken
>>place with a dirt and rock runway, a broken down airport dog, and a rusty
>>can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why
>>somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't.
>>
>>Oh, and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren't
>>primed and have nosewheels.
>>
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:09 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker<retasker@optonline.net>
>>
>>Bob, You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger.
>>
>>And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it has
>>the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the
>>countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ.
>>
>>Dick Tasker
>>
>>Bob Collins wrote:
>>
>>
>>I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk
>>>about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer .
>>>How's that? (g)
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>>>*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh
>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:49 AM
>>>*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
>>>*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
>>>
>>>Could someone bring Religion in to this thread?
>>>
>>>We have covered politics, economy, geography, retirement, taxes,.
>>>
>>>Denis
>>>On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:27 , Robin Marks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed
>>>>that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List .
>>>>And Ben, that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry, we are not
>>>>trying to censor the list, we are trying to follow the lists self
>>>>imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive.
>>>>Robin
>>>>Do Not Archive
>>>>*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>>><mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan
>>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:59 PM
>>>>*To:* rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
>>>>*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also
>>>>- with his arrogance.
>>>> *
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Thinking of retiring?
Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the Pacific
Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The weather... god awfull. 24/7/365.
Mud runways everywhere. The worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not
to mention all the political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you
weren't warned!
(g)
...chris from Oregon
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2010 1:52 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara
>
>
>HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like
>Texas, the Pacific Northwest, Minnesota, and Southern California.
>
>Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia?
>
>Wherever one retires to, I assume one would want to have (a) a good airport
>and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun, but at the other end
>of the spectrum, I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken
>place with a dirt and rock runway, a broken down airport dog, and a rusty
>can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why
>somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't.
>
>Oh, and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren't
>primed and have nosewheels.
>
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker
>Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:09 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
>
>
>Bob, You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger.
>
>And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it has
>the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the
>countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ.
>
>Dick Tasker
>
>Bob Collins wrote:
>> I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk
>> about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer .
>> How's that? (g)
>> Do not archive
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:49 AM
>> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara
>>
>> Could someone bring Religion in to this thread?
>>
>> We have covered politics, economy, geography, retirement, taxes,.
>>
>> Denis
>> On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:27 , Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed
>>> that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List .
>>> And Ben, that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry, we are not
>>> trying to censor the list, we are trying to follow the lists self
>>> imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive.
>>> Robin
>>> Do Not Archive
>>> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:59 PM
>>> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also
>>> - with his arrogance.
>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics
>> .com/Navigator?RV-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
>> c
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Subject: | Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Greetings,
I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during
spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then
commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and
some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what
airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get
into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight
rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area.
Alan McKeen
EAA Flight Advisor
EAA Technical Counselor
315-451-9207 Home
315-391-2460 Cell
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At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
>
>Thinking of retiring?
>
>Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to
>the Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The
>weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The
>worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the
>political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned!
>
>(g)
>
>...chris from Oregon
Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the
Dems. But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago.
Isn't that when all these problems started?
Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-)
Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My
original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me
confirm my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are
several other lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might
be equal or better. I've looked ay nearly every place that has been
mentioned on this list. I ended up west of the Continental Divide.
Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes,
inflation, and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are
the same. I have been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to
retire with my RV-4. I've met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of
the US of A that I might never have seen. Almost every place I've
been has some merits, all have some downside - just like everything
else in life. Please don't blame one administration or the other on
our problems. We're all in this together, and we should all thank our
lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids and our RV's. Most
of us are going to take some licks from the current world economy,
but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before.
So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley
( Oh, I forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not
that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks,
everybody. You too, Matt.
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Subject: | Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Alan -
I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily
penetrate the ADIZ again.
Neal
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and
Recommendations
Greetings,
I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during
spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then
commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and
some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what
airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get
into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight
rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area.
Alan McKeen
EAA Flight Advisor
EAA Technical Counselor
315-451-9207 Home
315-391-2460 Cell
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Subject: | Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
i fly out of KJYO and it is a nice airport out past dulles, they have
a nice terminal and rental cars on site. KJYO is in the ADIZ, but is
very easy to get in and out of.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Alan
>
> Ive had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
>
> I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but Ill never voluntarily
> penetrate the ADIZ again.
>
>
> Neal
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and
> Recommendations
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during
> spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then
> commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and
> some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what
> airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get
> into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight
> rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area.
>
> Alan McKeen
>
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
> EAA Technical Counselor
>
> 315-451-9207 Home
>
> 315-391-2460 Cell
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ...
On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Alan -
>
> I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
>
> I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily
> penetrate the ADIZ again.
>
>
> Neal
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and
> Recommendations
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during
> spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then
> commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and
> some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what
> airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get
> into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight
> rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area.
>
> Alan McKeen
>
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
> EAA Technical Counselor
>
> 315-451-9207 Home
>
> 315-391-2460 Cell
>
>
--
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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Subject: | Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Alan,
Shoot me an e-mail or give me a call. I can get you set up.
Rick McBride
rick.mcbride@me.com
703-322-1868
On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Alan McKeen wrote:
> Greetings,
> I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring
of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute
into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments.
I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly
into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city.
I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to
the Washington DC metropolitan area.
> Alan McKeen
> EAA Flight Advisor
> EAA Technical Counselor
> 315-451-9207 Home
> 315-391-2460 Cell
>
>
>
>
>
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In my deepest REM sleep, I dream of moving to San Diego. Plus you get to be
close the guys over at Trio -- swell, folks.
What you say really hits home. We sometimes lose perspective in our
politics. Today, a guy who -- all things considered -- still had a good
life, had a kid and a wife that, presumably, he loved once, had built up so
much hate that he crashed a perfectly good plane into a building, to kill
someone's mother, or daughter or son... And as many as he could, too.
At the risk of being pollyanna, things can always be better, but I'll take
my lot in life over 90% of the rest of the world any day.
I don't like paying taxes. I like stupidity even less, and I don't like the
lack of courage by either of the political parties right now. But here I am
with running water, a roof over my head, a nearly-built airplane in a
hangar, and when I go home tonight, I'll be able to open a beer and scrounge
up some food. And in 5 months, I get to hang out with some of the best
people I know -- half of whom I'd probably learn to hate if we ever talked
politics. (g).
Eyes on the big picture, boys. We got it good on Planet RV.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Louis Willig
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara
At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
>
>Thinking of retiring?
>
>Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the
>Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The
>weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The
>worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the
>political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned!
>
>(g)
>
>...chris from Oregon
Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems.
But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago.
Isn't that when all these problems started?
Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-)
Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My
original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm
my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other
lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better.
I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I
ended up west of the Continental Divide.
Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation,
and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have
been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've
met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never
have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some
downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one
administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and
we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids
and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world
economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before.
So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I
forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not
that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks,
everybody. You too, Matt.
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Subject: | Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all
three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it
matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan
was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast
of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was
painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to
College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the
east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors.
Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College
Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file
the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no
clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and
wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in.
After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave
the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat.
I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro...
neal
Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ...
On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Alan -
>
> I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
>
> I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily
> penetrate the ADIZ again.
>
>
> Neal
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Subject: | Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I
thought.
-Stormy
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for
> all
> three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it
> matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan
> was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast
> of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour
> was
> painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to
> College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the
> east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors.
> Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College
> Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file
> the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no
> clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place
> and
> wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in.
> After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave
> the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat.
>
> I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro...
>
> neal
>
>
>
> Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ...
>
> On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Alan -
> >
> > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
> >
> > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never
> voluntarily
> > penetrate the ADIZ again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neal
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations |
But keep in mind what Neal is describing is the inner ring of the SFRA which has
significantly different rules and procedures. Manassas and a number of airports
are still inside the SFRA but much easier to negotiate since they're in the
outer ring.
Rick McBride
On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Bill Boyd wrote:
> Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I thought.
>
> -Stormy
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all
> three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it
> matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan
> was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast
> of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was
> painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to
> College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the
> east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors.
> Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College
> Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file
> the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no
> clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and
> wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in.
> After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave
> the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat.
>
> I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro...
>
> neal
>
>
>
> Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ...
>
> On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Alan -
> >
> > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac.
> >
> > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily
> > penetrate the ADIZ again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Neal
>
>
>
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Too true....
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara
In my deepest REM sleep, I dream of moving to San Diego. Plus you get to be
close the guys over at Trio -- swell, folks.
What you say really hits home. We sometimes lose perspective in our
politics. Today, a guy who -- all things considered -- still had a good
life, had a kid and a wife that, presumably, he loved once, had built up so
much hate that he crashed a perfectly good plane into a building, to kill
someone's mother, or daughter or son... And as many as he could, too.
At the risk of being pollyanna, things can always be better, but I'll take
my lot in life over 90% of the rest of the world any day.
I don't like paying taxes. I like stupidity even less, and I don't like the
lack of courage by either of the political parties right now. But here I am
with running water, a roof over my head, a nearly-built airplane in a
hangar, and when I go home tonight, I'll be able to open a beer and scrounge
up some food. And in 5 months, I get to hang out with some of the best
people I know -- half of whom I'd probably learn to hate if we ever talked
politics. (g).
Eyes on the big picture, boys. We got it good on Planet RV.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Louis Willig
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara
At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
>
>Thinking of retiring?
>
>Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the
>Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The
>weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The
>worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the
>political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned!
>
>(g)
>
>...chris from Oregon
Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems.
But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago.
Isn't that when all these problems started?
Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-)
Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My
original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm
my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other
lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better.
I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I
ended up west of the Continental Divide.
Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation,
and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have
been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've
met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never
have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some
downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one
administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and
we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids
and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world
economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before.
So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I
forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not
that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks,
everybody. You too, Matt.
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Subject: | Inspection Panels |
Does anyone know of a source that gives the screw spacing for a generic
inspection hole cover on aluminum skin? I am curious if such a
specification exists and whether it takes panel thickness and fastener
diameter into account. I couldn't find what I'm looking for in any of my
reference books.
Thanks in advance.
Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. So.Cen. TX
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Subject: | Re: Inspection Panels |
Ivan
There is no generic rule. A basic rule of thumb is 43-13. without knowing
the stresses on the skin cutting holes equates to installing a circular damage
repair. and replacing the filler patch hardware with screws.
rick
--- On Thu, 2/18/10, H. Ivan Haecker <baremetl@gvtc.com> wrote:
> From: H. Ivan Haecker <baremetl@gvtc.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Inspection Panels
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:28 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a
> source that gives
> thescrew spacing for a generic inspection hole cover
> on aluminum skin? I
> am curious if such a specification exists and whether it
> takes panel thickness
> and fastener diameter into account. I couldn't find
> what I'm looking for in any
> of my reference books.
>
> Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Ivan Haecker
> -4 1602
> hrs. So.Cen. TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
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