RV-List Digest Archive

Thu 02/18/10


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:07 AM - Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs (Marty Helller)
     2. 06:30 AM - Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs (Mike Divan)
     3. 06:59 AM - Re: Santa Barbara (Chris Stone)
     4. 01:47 PM - Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Alan McKeen)
     5. 02:55 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Louis Willig)
     6. 02:59 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Neal George)
     7. 03:48 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and 	Recommendations (John Trollinger)
     8. 04:09 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and 	Recommendations (Larry Bowen)
     9. 04:42 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Richard McBride)
    10. 05:09 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bob Collins)
    11. 05:19 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations (Neal George)
    12. 06:16 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and 	Recommendations (Bill Boyd)
    13. 06:40 PM - Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and 	Recommendations (Richard McBride)
    14. 06:59 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bret Smith)
    15. 10:29 PM - Inspection Panels (H. Ivan Haecker)
    16. 11:42 PM - Re: Inspection Panels (RICHARD MILLER)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:07:51 AM PST US
    From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs
    If one were to make their retirement decision on the location of other RV a ircraft=2C Doug Reeves RV White Pages would be a helpful place to start. http://www.vansairforce.net/rvwp.htm Marty Heller RV-7 (Almost done with engine baffling....almost) From: kellym@aviating.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Well=2C AZ has a ton of RVs of all flavors. My home drome has several flyin g 8's=2C7's=2C 6's=2C 4's as well as at least 3 10s under construction=2C a couple 9s and 8 under construction. do not archive Richard Tasker wrote: Actually=2C when you consider the number of RVs flying (6641 according to V an's hobbs meter) with untold more being built=2C it is probably hard to fi nd any reputable airport that doesn't have one or two. I know that there a re quite a number at the airports around here in NJ - some of them with sli ders and nosewheels (mine included=2C but it was primed). =3B-) Dick Tasker Bob Collins wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like Texas=2C the Pacific Northwest=2C Minnesota=2C and Southern California. Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia? Wherever one retires to=2C I assume one would want to have (a) a good airpo rt and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun=2C but at the other end of the spectrum=2C I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken place with a dirt and rock runway=2C a broken down airport dog=2C and a rus ty can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't. Oh=2C and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren 't primed and have nosewheels. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker Sent: Wednesday=2C February 17=2C 2010 12:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker<retasker@optonline.net> Bob=2C You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger. And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it ha s the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ. Dick Tasker Bob Collins wrote: I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer . How's that? (g) Do not archive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh *Sent:* Wednesday=2C February 17=2C 2010 9:49 AM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Could someone bring Religion in to this thread? We have covered politics=2C economy=2C geography=2C retirement=2C taxes=2C. Denis On Feb 17=2C 2010=2C at 8:27 =2C Robin Marks wrote: At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List . And Ben=2C that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry=2C we are not trying to censor the list=2C we are trying to follow the lists self imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan *Sent:* Tuesday=2C February 16=2C 2010 9:59 PM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also - with his arrogance. * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c * * * _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD//gAcU29mdHdhcmU6IE1pY3Jvc29mdCBPZmZpY2X/2wBDAAgG BgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRofHh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgy PC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwhMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIy MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAARCAApAUQDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGwABAAIDAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAUGAQIDBAf/xAA1EAACAgIBAwMCBAQEBwAAAAABAgADBBESBSExE0FhBlEUInGBMkKRoRUjM7E1 Q3JzssHR/8QAGQEBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQF/8QAJBEAAgICAQQCAwEAAAAAAAAAAAEC EQMSIQQTMVEUYSJBofD/3QAEACj/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/APv0REATxY3V8HLzrsOm9Wvp/iX/AOfe Oq5JxenW2jJpxmA7W2jYX9vc/E+b9Fz3o6+bx1Jay7EG25CVt+G+3/qeLqer7OSMffn/AFnKeTVp H1WJhTyUHYOxvY8TM9p1EREAREQBERAEREAREQBERAEREAREQBERAEREAREQBERAEREAREQBERAE REAREQBERAOWVd+GxLr+PL062fX30NzwYnVL8joa9RGL6ljryWih+R/TZ956up/8KzP+w/8A4mfH sbMycUA4+RbV/wBDkT5/WdW+nmvTTOOTJo0XbO+oMu/S5n0w9gQ7UWKTr+0g6+s42LnZV93QqSl3 HjU40K9DXbt7zr0fqP1Pm5CrhZN1oB7taNov6kz6Q1SXVhb667O3cFdjf7zzYoT6r81JqvcUYink 5T/hWvpv6mHVMv8AA14KY9aVlhxfYGvbWvmWmVHptWFR9eZVWCqrWuPp1XwH2N6/tLdPf0kpuDU3 bTaOuNuuTndfVjpzutStN65OdDcxXlY9wX07635748WB3rzPF1im2+vEWkfmGSpJ4cgo0e5Ej8zA ycImzHZrcmwWuXSsAKeIA0B47D9zNzyyi3S4RXJosUSrh8v8Pw5XtQ1w4sTYOP5e+zrkQT+25iq7 OL4L2NktbwRTXpl77/Md60fnlr4mPkr0TctM1Z1QqGYAsdLs+T9pBdGbNbOJve3fBvXVg2g2+3ns Pfx7ThkLlPmgqMlsxMixlUg+mF4twI9vt++9zXyPxUki78WWaamysPwLqH1viT3143K5WMm1666L c38OzVi5n2GD7PMbPfWvOu32nTJxHs6Lb6q3tZXfxVtnn6YtBHye3f8AaTvtptIb/RYZq7qgBdgu zobPk/aQ/V7eOZRW1uUtTU2ECjeywK8d67ziiZ5b1b2vNospUqP4QOILED9d95qWapOKQcuaJ8kK NkgD7mYd0rUs7BQASSTrtKvfj5TYA9RsuwWY62WhiSeYsXx9jrfYfae7rlDWvjsi3MPQuUcdkbKd tj5+ZO+6br1/Rv8ARNGxFCkuoDHS7Pk/E2ld9LMx7kqrbJaoGttnbEEq29b+ddp6Ohtkelejm2zS grZYW0zd99m7g/fyJY5rlq0FLmiaiVzpTdSa1yHPren/AJq3h+IffyO3bfZe06Pj5l2WWstylDZf pkI5Civ09nXxy95FnuKaiN+PBPzRLqrG4pYjN50D386/3lYa7PUY+/xItqVO55HkOfc6A1/D53JD pSX/AOJWWXI43WyhmGv+Y2h/TURz7SSSCnbJqas6qyqzAFjpQT5PxK5bkZ74/o1nKF9Yv5kKex3+ Tv4PbxM30ZtWQyUC+z0350tYS2mNTb7n51+8nyPSG/0WSJVUOWcSzd+QK9py2th/N35bOuQB7eJ0 S3M/E4djDLLaQColgdbOzvWm7eeWjC6lehuWaJD9SfJr6jTTTZYFzAK9qf8ATKnbH42ux/SeBnzy lnpNl/ihXachTviD/Lx9v017TUs+raoOdFniRuHkW5F2daot9HS+jzUrv8vfQPzIe1eoV4+IGtyQ z0B+RLk+sfYhR+mge3mJZ6VpBzotLMFUsxAUDZJ9prXbXaCa3VwPPE717yt2W5r577S8KS9dikMQ RwOu2uIBPjWzNQcvBoa6pbEL2CkJrWy1ahW18MP95j5P1wTctMSNyse5j0/HFt/p8itzoxBYBD5I +dSGLdT5UCyy9XFairs2y3I7JAGida8+03PNq+UVyr9FrmodS7IGBZdbG+434lY59UN+Twa38Rqz koDEa/l1v8o+NSQ6TWpys9qzkGl0rCNdyBPY70T3kjn2kkkFO2f/0PvoIYbBBH3EzKlQuTj9Pqq3 mJYlIGMqhtG3keQb+3ntqWwb0N+dd9Tliy9xeKMxlZmIidTRzvqXIx7KX3xsQodedEakFifRfR8V w7VPeR4FrbH9JYYnOeHHNpyV0ZcU/KNa666axXUiog8Ko0BNMio30PUtr1Fhrmn8Q/SdYm6VUaIX pf0zh9JzWy6Lb2sZSp9Rt73JqImceOONawVIiilwhERNlEREAREQBERANDUhtW0qPUUFQ3uAfI/t N4iAIiIAiIgCIiAIiIAiIgCIiAczj1HJGQUBuC8A3uB9p0iJKSAiIlAnOyiq2yuyxAzVnaE/yn7z pENX5AiIgCIiAIiIAiIgH//Z


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    Time: 06:30:36 AM PST US
    From: Mike Divan <n343fd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs
    I think it has all been good nature jesting - although I have gotten a few ideas on places to visit :) In Minnesota, North Carolina, NM. By the way for some reason I felt like "poking the bear" the last day or so (boredom with plane on the ground for annual and waiting for a few parts I suppose) and if I got y'all upset I apologize. Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 adopted but flying N911HS - RV7 in the works (conventional gear, slider with primer in some places. But most important it is a RV :) ________________________________ From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 5:06:21 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara-listinging of RVs If one were to make their retirement decision on the location of other RV aircraft, Doug Reeves RV White Pages would be a helpful place to start. http://www.vansairforce.net/rvwp.htm Marty Heller RV-7 (Almost done with engine baffling....almost) ________________________________ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:44:33 -0700 From: kellym@aviating.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Well, AZ has a ton of RVs of all flavors. My home drome has several flying 8's,7's, 6's, 4's as well as at least 3 10s under construction, a couple 9s and 8 under construction. do not archive Richard Tasker wrote: > >Actually, when you consider the number of RVs flying (6641 according to Van's hobbs meter) with untold more being built, it is probably hard to find any reputable airport that doesn't have one or two. I know that there are quite a number at the airports around here in NJ - some of them with sliders and nosewheels (mine included, but it was primed). ;-) > >Dick Tasker > >Bob Collins wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> >> >>HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like >>Texas, the Pacific Northwest, Minnesota, and Southern California. >> >>Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia? >> >>Wherever one retires to, I assume one would want to have (a) a good airport >>and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun, but at the other end >>of the spectrum, I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken >>place with a dirt and rock runway, a broken down airport dog, and a rusty >>can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why >>somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't. >> >>Oh, and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren't >>primed and have nosewheels. >> >> >>Do not archive >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker >>Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:09 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker<retasker@optonline.net> >> >>Bob, You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger. >> >>And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it has >>the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the >>countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ. >> >>Dick Tasker >> >>Bob Collins wrote: >> >> >>I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk >>>about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer . >>>How's that? (g) >>>Do not archive >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>-- >>>*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh >>>*Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:49 AM >>>*To:* rv-list@matronics.com >>>*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara >>> >>>Could someone bring Religion in to this thread? >>> >>>We have covered politics, economy, geography, retirement, taxes,. >>> >>>Denis >>>On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:27 , Robin Marks wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed >>>>that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List . >>>>And Ben, that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry, we are not >>>>trying to censor the list, we are trying to follow the lists self >>>>imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive. >>>>Robin >>>>Do Not Archive >>>>*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>>><mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> >>>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan >>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:59 PM >>>>*To:* rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >>>>*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also >>>>- with his arrogance. >>>> * >>> >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics/ >>>.com/Navigator?RV-List >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com/ >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ >>>c >>>* >>>* >>> >>> >>>* >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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    Time: 06:59:11 AM PST US
    From: Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Santa Barbara
    Thinking of retiring? Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned! (g) ...chris from Oregon Do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> >Sent: Feb 17, 2010 1:52 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > >HA! Where are the core concentrations of RVers? It's always seemed like >Texas, the Pacific Northwest, Minnesota, and Southern California. > >Are there any other hotbeds. Ohio Valley? Georgia? > >Wherever one retires to, I assume one would want to have (a) a good airport >and (b) good airport friends around. Taxes are no fun, but at the other end >of the spectrum, I guess I wouldn't want to end up in some god forsaken >place with a dirt and rock runway, a broken down airport dog, and a rusty >can that inspires the day's intellectual highlight: figuring out why >somebody can spit as far as the can and some people can't. > >Oh, and you don't want to go where there's a lot of slider RVs that weren't >primed and have nosewheels. > > >Do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Tasker >Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:09 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara > > >Bob, You forgot slider vs tilt canopy and taildragger vs nosedragger. > >And as far as where to retire (or not)... Don't even think about NJ - it has >the cold like MN and the taxes and corruption like CA - although the >countryside is very nice here in northwestern NJ. > >Dick Tasker > >Bob Collins wrote: >> I swear to God the best rules in aviation are "hangar rules" No talk >> about (a) Religion (b) Politics and (c) Primer . >> How's that? (g) >> Do not archive >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Walsh >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:49 AM >> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara >> >> Could someone bring Religion in to this thread? >> >> We have covered politics, economy, geography, retirement, taxes,. >> >> Denis >> On Feb 17, 2010, at 8:27 , Robin Marks wrote: >> >>> At what point does this not become RV related? I think we have passed >>> that point. Please take this over to the StupidPoliticalRants-List . >>> And Ben, that is your "Truth" not "The Truth." Terry, we are not >>> trying to censor the list, we are trying to follow the lists self >>> imposed guidelines being inclusive not divisive. >>> Robin >>> Do Not Archive >>> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>> <mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> >>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Divan >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:59 PM >>> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Santa Barbara Yea I was quite impressed also >>> - with his arrogance. >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics >> .com/Navigator?RV-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ >> c >> * >> * >> >> >> * > >


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    Time: 01:47:04 PM PST US
    From: "Alan McKeen" <amckeen@twcny.rr.com>
    Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    Greetings, I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. Alan McKeen EAA Flight Advisor EAA Technical Counselor 315-451-9207 Home 315-391-2460 Cell


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    Time: 02:55:13 PM PST US
    From: Louis Willig <larywil@comcast.net>
    Subject: Santa Barbara
    At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote: > >Thinking of retiring? > >Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to >the Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The >weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The >worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the >political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned! > >(g) > >...chris from Oregon Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems. But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago. Isn't that when all these problems started? Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-) Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better. I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I ended up west of the Continental Divide. Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation, and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before. So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks, everybody. You too, Matt.


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    Time: 02:59:20 PM PST US
    From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    Alan - I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily penetrate the ADIZ again. Neal From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations Greetings, I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. Alan McKeen EAA Flight Advisor EAA Technical Counselor 315-451-9207 Home 315-391-2460 Cell


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    Time: 03:48:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    From: John Trollinger <john@trollingers.com>
    i fly out of KJYO and it is a nice airport out past dulles, they have a nice terminal and rental cars on site. KJYO is in the ADIZ, but is very easy to get in and out of. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > Alan > > Ive had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but Ill never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and > Recommendations > > > Greetings, > > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during > spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then > commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and > some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what > airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get > into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight > rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > > Alan McKeen > > EAA Flight Advisor > > EAA Technical Counselor > > 315-451-9207 Home > > 315-391-2460 Cell > >


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    Time: 04:09:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    From: Larry Bowen <larry@bowenaero.com>
    Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > Alan - > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan McKeen > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:44 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and > Recommendations > > > Greetings, > > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during > spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then > commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and > some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what > airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get > into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight > rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > > Alan McKeen > > EAA Flight Advisor > > EAA Technical Counselor > > 315-451-9207 Home > > 315-391-2460 Cell > > -- -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com


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    Time: 04:42:56 PM PST US
    From: Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com>
    Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    Alan, Shoot me an e-mail or give me a call. I can get you set up. Rick McBride rick.mcbride@me.com 703-322-1868 On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Alan McKeen wrote: > Greetings, > I am planning a trip to Washington DC from Central New York State during spring of 2010. We want to fly our RV-6 to the Washington DC area and then commute into the city to visit the Smithsonian Natural History museum and some monuments. I am asking for recommendations and experience about what airport to fly into and what methods of transportation to be used to get into the city. I am aware of and will be prepared for the special flight rules pertaining to the Washington DC metropolitan area. > Alan McKeen > EAA Flight Advisor > EAA Technical Counselor > 315-451-9207 Home > 315-391-2460 Cell > > > > >


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    Time: 05:09:49 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
    Subject: Santa Barbara
    In my deepest REM sleep, I dream of moving to San Diego. Plus you get to be close the guys over at Trio -- swell, folks. What you say really hits home. We sometimes lose perspective in our politics. Today, a guy who -- all things considered -- still had a good life, had a kid and a wife that, presumably, he loved once, had built up so much hate that he crashed a perfectly good plane into a building, to kill someone's mother, or daughter or son... And as many as he could, too. At the risk of being pollyanna, things can always be better, but I'll take my lot in life over 90% of the rest of the world any day. I don't like paying taxes. I like stupidity even less, and I don't like the lack of courage by either of the political parties right now. But here I am with running water, a roof over my head, a nearly-built airplane in a hangar, and when I go home tonight, I'll be able to open a beer and scrounge up some food. And in 5 months, I get to hang out with some of the best people I know -- half of whom I'd probably learn to hate if we ever talked politics. (g). Eyes on the big picture, boys. We got it good on Planet RV. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Louis Willig Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote: > >Thinking of retiring? > >Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the >Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The >weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The >worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the >political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned! > >(g) > >...chris from Oregon Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems. But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago. Isn't that when all these problems started? Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-) Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better. I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I ended up west of the Continental Divide. Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation, and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before. So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks, everybody. You too, Matt.


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    Time: 05:19:59 PM PST US
    From: "Neal George" <n8zg@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... neal Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > Alan - > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > Neal


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    Time: 06:16:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I thought. -Stormy On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > > Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for > all > three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it > matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan > was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast > of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour > was > painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to > College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the > east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. > Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College > Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file > the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no > clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place > and > wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. > After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave > the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. > > I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... > > neal > > > > Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... > > On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > > Alan - > > > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never > voluntarily > > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > > > > > > Neal > >


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    Time: 06:40:02 PM PST US
    From: Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com>
    Subject: Re: Travel to Washington DC, Request for Experience and Recommendations
    But keep in mind what Neal is describing is the inner ring of the SFRA which has significantly different rules and procedures. Manassas and a number of airports are still inside the SFRA but much easier to negotiate since they're in the outer ring. Rick McBride On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Bill Boyd wrote: > Thanks - cured me of any desire to visit the Swamp by airplane. Just as I thought. > > -Stormy > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > > Waaay too much trouble. Two IFR-rated pilots, both with credentials for all > three restricted airports in-hand, both active duty military (not that it > matters, but it's a data point). Going in on the required IFR flight plan > was simple enough, if you disregard the 'bonus' 80nm scenic tour southeast > of DC for no apparent reason. Since we were in a rental, the extra hour was > painful. Landed at Potomac and topped the tanks, filed IFR direct to > College Park - 8nm - and had to leave the ADIZ to the south, fly around the > east end, and back in from the north to land at College Park, all vectors. > Another unnecessary 100 miles, another hour on the rental Hobbs. College > Park was not what I'd call pleasant. Or friendly. When we tried to file > the next day to get out and go home, DHS swore up and down that we had no > clearance be there, demanded to know how we got there in the first place and > wouldn't let us leave - with sunset and a monster thunderstorm rolling in. > After nearly two hours of discussions, we finally got a clearance to leave > the restricted area. Just not worth the hassle or the threat. > > I'd fly into Manassas and grab a cab to the Metro... > > neal > > > > Why not? Sounds like you are prepared, so ... > > On 2/18/10, Neal George <n8zg@mchsi.com> wrote: > > Alan - > > > > I've had good experiences at Manassas and Potomac. > > > > I have the appropriate paperwork and approvals, but I'll never voluntarily > > penetrate the ADIZ again. > > > > > > > > Neal > > > > ================== > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:59:24 PM PST US
    From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
    Subject: Santa Barbara
    Too true.... Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara In my deepest REM sleep, I dream of moving to San Diego. Plus you get to be close the guys over at Trio -- swell, folks. What you say really hits home. We sometimes lose perspective in our politics. Today, a guy who -- all things considered -- still had a good life, had a kid and a wife that, presumably, he loved once, had built up so much hate that he crashed a perfectly good plane into a building, to kill someone's mother, or daughter or son... And as many as he could, too. At the risk of being pollyanna, things can always be better, but I'll take my lot in life over 90% of the rest of the world any day. I don't like paying taxes. I like stupidity even less, and I don't like the lack of courage by either of the political parties right now. But here I am with running water, a roof over my head, a nearly-built airplane in a hangar, and when I go home tonight, I'll be able to open a beer and scrounge up some food. And in 5 months, I get to hang out with some of the best people I know -- half of whom I'd probably learn to hate if we ever talked politics. (g). Eyes on the big picture, boys. We got it good on Planet RV. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Louis Willig Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Santa Barbara At 09:51 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote: > >Thinking of retiring? > >Whatever you do... Where ever you plan to retire to, don't move to the >Pacific Northwest. Taxes. They'll kill you! The >weather... god awfull. 24/7/365. Mud runways everywhere. The >worlds worst drivers on rock strewn roads. Not to mention all the >political whack jobs running the states... Don't say you weren't warned! > >(g) > >...chris from Oregon Chris, you might blame this on the Reps. You might blame this on the Dems. But the truth is that my Ex. moved out to Oregon 12 years ago. Isn't that when all these problems started? Well, I started this thread a week ago, and I deserve what I got. :-) Truthfully, a few people have given me some very valuable advice. My original request for information about Santa Barbara was to help me confirm my plans to move to San Diego. Now, it seems that there are several other lovely towns in SoCal or the central coast that might be equal or better. I've looked ay nearly every place that has been mentioned on this list. I ended up west of the Continental Divide. Those of you who have been complaining or venting about taxes, inflation, and unemployment should know that things *everywhere* are the same. I have been looking for nearly 15 years for a place to retire with my RV-4. I've met a lot of great people, and saw a lot of the US of A that I might never have seen. Almost every place I've been has some merits, all have some downside - just like everything else in life. Please don't blame one administration or the other on our problems. We're all in this together, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we have the ability feed our kids and our RV's. Most of us are going to take some licks from the current world economy, but we'll be back. Hopefully stronger than before. So... what about Santa Ynez, Solvang, Buelton, Oceana, Carmel Valley ( Oh, I forgot, they amputated that airport), Los Alamos ( No, not that one! I mean the one in California), ..........? Thanks, everybody. You too, Matt.


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    Time: 10:29:30 PM PST US
    From: "H. Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
    Subject: Inspection Panels
    Does anyone know of a source that gives the screw spacing for a generic inspection hole cover on aluminum skin? I am curious if such a specification exists and whether it takes panel thickness and fastener diameter into account. I couldn't find what I'm looking for in any of my reference books. Thanks in advance. Ivan Haecker -4 1602 hrs. So.Cen. TX


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    Time: 11:42:59 PM PST US
    From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Inspection Panels
    Ivan There is no generic rule. A basic rule of thumb is 43-13. without knowing the stresses on the skin cutting holes equates to installing a circular damage repair. and replacing the filler patch hardware with screws. rick --- On Thu, 2/18/10, H. Ivan Haecker <baremetl@gvtc.com> wrote: > From: H. Ivan Haecker <baremetl@gvtc.com> > Subject: RV-List: Inspection Panels > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:28 PM > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a > source that gives > thescrew spacing for a generic inspection hole cover > on aluminum skin? I > am curious if such a specification exists and whether it > takes panel thickness > and fastener diameter into account. I couldn't find > what I'm looking for in any > of my reference books. > > Thanks in > advance. > > Ivan Haecker > -4 1602 > hrs. So.Cen. TX > > > > > >




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