---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/04/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:10 AM - Flap Tape Peeling (Jim Hurd) 2. 04:21 AM - Re: Flap Tape Peeling (Kyle Boatright) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition Choice (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ) 4. 04:55 AM - Re: Flap Tape Peeling (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ) 5. 05:29 AM - Re: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots (Ollie Washburn) 6. 06:02 AM - Re: Flap Tape Peeling (Tom) 7. 06:05 AM - Re: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots (eddyfernan@aol.com) 8. 07:46 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition Choice (J Riffel) 9. 08:36 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition Choice (Dale Ellis) 10. 10:01 AM - Re: Flap Tape Peeling (David Cudney) 11. 10:14 AM - Re: Flap Tape Peeling (Vanremog@aol.com) 12. 01:49 PM - Monitor for Emag/Pmag was Electronic Ignition Choice (Ed Anderson) 13. 02:45 PM - RV-7A "looksee" for my wife () 14. 06:45 PM - Wife needs a RV-7A "grin ride" - Phoenix Area (Ted Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:18 AM PST US From: "Jim Hurd" Subject: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:34 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling I'm in the same situation. I figure I'll try and soften the adhesive with a blow drier and see if I can remove the tape that way. After that, I'll use WD-40 or one of the citrus based cleaners to remove the rest of the adhesive. But I'd appreciate it if someone else has done this and can offer a proven solution.... Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hurd To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:07 AM Subject: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" Robin - I'd recommend a P-Mag. Smaller, self-contained, self-powered, easy set-up and excellent support. neal I am interested in using 1 Mag and 1 electronic ignition system on my 8A. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the preferred system for my second ignition the P-Mag or the Hall Effect Light Speed Plasma III. Robin ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. ================= The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots From: Ollie Washburn Check at one of your local airports,Punta Gorda (PGD) as there are several RVs based there. Greystone (17FL) is the airport Travolta lives at and they have their brunches the first Sunday of month. Rather expensive at $40 a pop. Are you on the Fl RV list? This was started by Laura Crook and is now looked after by my better half and she sends out a notice to RVers of goings on.[ lorenewashburn@gmail.com] Also I think there is a group of RVers that fly to Bartow Sun mornings for breakfast and a group goes to Sebring for breakfast on Wed. Ollie On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Dane Sheahen wrote: > > Dear fellow Florida Pilots: > > Are there any RV pilots in Southwest Florida/Naples that fly out on the > weekends for those $100 EGGS or for that matter any time. I am a looking > for some pilots down here to do some flying with. I found a great group at > SpruceCreek Fl. last week but that is a bit of a flight for eggs. > > Does anyone know about that fly-in community that John Travolta lives at > still has a brunch once a month ? > > Dane Sheahen > N8383RV RV8a > 847-373-0026 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:39 AM PST US From: "Tom" Subject: RE: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling Jim, I went through this a couple of months ago. My tape didn't last near that long as yours did. I was able to get the old tape off by heating it and pulling it up slowly without doing any damage to the paint. I then had to use something to dissolve some small patches of adhesive that remained behind. I think I used "Goo Be Gone" without any problems. Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. ================= The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is yellowing and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also taking off the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of paint. I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine but I would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before attempting to remove it all. The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with their reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white UHMW. TIA Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots From: eddyfernan@aol.com Try WWW.Floridaaeroclub.org I'm in the North Perry chapter. We fly out to a different location each month for lunch on a Sunday. Also 2 weekend getaways a year as well as fly outs to the Bahamas. Feel free to email me direct. Eddy Fernandez RV9A RV7A -----Original Message----- From: Dane Sheahen Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:20 pm Subject: RV-List: Naples/Southwest Florida RV Pilots Dear fellow Florida Pilots: Are there any RV pilots in Southwest Florida/Naples that fly out on the weekends for those $100 EGGS or for that matter any time. I am a looking for some pilots down here to do some flying with. I found a great group at SpruceCreek Fl. last week but that is a bit of a flight for eggs. Does anyone know about that fly-in community that John Travolta lives at still has a brunch once a month ? Dane Sheahen N8383RV RV8a 847-373-0026 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice From: J Riffel Robin, I chose putting 2 P-Mags on my RV-7A and couldn't be happier with the choice. The things I considered when I compared ignitions were: - How durable/reliable are they? - I knew I didn't want Mags because I'd lived with them on previous planes. They weren't Bad, but they took some care and maintenance. - There was a lot of chatter about the early E/PMags. But they've been reliable for me and the chatter has quieted down the last couple years. As I understand it, they only have one moving part (a shaft in a bearing) that wears a LONG time. - How easy is it to mount (orientation and form-factor)? - The PMags have roughly the same size/shape as Mags and can be mounted in any orientation. - What about fail-safety? - I chose two PMags so I didn't need any other power source if I had an alternator failure and battery failure. The down side is that I can not hand-prop it if I have a completely dead battery (but I'm not thrilled about hand-prop'g anyway). So I put a jump start connection under the cowl (highly recommended ... ask me how I know)[?] - How easy is it to time? - The PMags couldn't be easier ... less than 1 minute for BOTH units and no special equipment! A REAL advantage if you've timed mags before! - What about spark plugs? - With electronic ignition on both sides, I could use auto sparkplugs @ $2-3/ea vs aviation plugs @ $20+. That is quite a savings. No fouling either. - Tach signal - Yup, works great w/ my GrandRapids EIS. - Miscellaneous - I talked w/ the EMag folks at OSH, liked them, felt I could trust them and they seemed like they'd be in business into the future ... other vendors, not the same. - Support - I've had their service bulletin done (There's been only one on mine) and they were quick and fair. They've been Terrific whenever I've called with questions. - Down sides - Can't really think of any. The connector is a little strange but has been reliable and seems robust so far. I can not vary the timing from the cockpit - but haven't really wanted/needed to. I only have experience with PMags and Mags (on previous planes), so I can't compare other systems. Good luck. "Jerry" Riffel N554JR - 125hrs ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice From: Dale Ellis If you do go with the P-Mag, check out this E or P Mag monitoring device marketed by a friend of mine, Bill Repucci, who is flying a RV-9 out of NC. His web site is http://www.eicommander.com/ Dale On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > I am interested in using 1 Mag and 1 electronic ignition system on my > 8A. Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the preferred system > for my second ignition the P-Mag or the Hall Effect Light Speed Plasma > III. > > Robin > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:37 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling One thing you might wish to consider: After you remove the tape from the flap, you might consider putting the tape on the lower surface of the wing where it rubs on the flap. That way the tape is out of sight and still protects the flap. One point though you must keep the flap surface clean so it will not get scraped by bugs or grit. dave RV 7A 145 hours On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:53 AM, George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ wrote: > Mineral spirits will soften the adhesive without attacking the paint. > > ================= > The clear UHMW flap tape on my always-hangared ten year old 6A is > yellowing > and peeling at the edges. Can this tape be removed without also > taking off > the aircraft-specific paint? Sorry, I don't remember the brand of > paint. > > I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine > but I > would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before > attempting to > remove it all. > > The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with > their > reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white > UHMW. > TIA > > Jim RV6A O360/CS flying 550 hours ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:20 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap Tape Peeling Hit it lightly with a heat gun just ahead of the area you are peeling off and it should come off much easier. Clean the area with mineral spirits or Coleman Lantern Fluid (Naphtha) and reapply new tape. All of the natural UHMW is milky (translucent) white. There are some other protective tapes that could be used that are more transparent. Check out 3M website. -GV In a message dated 3/4/2010 10:04:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, yenduc@me.com writes: I pulled it back in a couple of areas and it seemed to separate fine > but I > would like to hear from someone who "has been there" before > attempting to > remove it all. > > The present tape came from Vans and I would like to replace it with > their > reasonably-priced clear UHMW. Otherwise I'll go shopping for white > UHMW. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:08 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Monitor for Emag/Pmag was RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice For those of you who are using/considering Pmag/Emags for your electronic Ignition. My partner and I have developed and are selling the Electronic Ignition Commander which provides a means of monitoring and controlling the electronic configuration of your units. I won=92t go into details here, but if interested Check out our web page for details. Currently only the 2 =BC=94 standard instrument case version is available. http://www.eicommander.com/index.htm The manual has details on the various display screens start on page 14. Contact information for my partner, Bill Repucci, is on the website. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Riffel Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronic Ignition Choice Robin, I chose putting 2 P-Mags on my RV-7A and couldn't be happier with the choice. The things I considered when I compared ignitions were: * How durable/reliable are they? * I knew I didn't want Mags because I'd lived with them on previous planes. They weren't Bad, but they took some care and maintenance. * There was a lot of chatter about the early E/PMags. But they've been reliable for me and the chatter has quieted down the last couple years. As I understand it, they only have one moving part (a shaft in a bearing) that wears a LONG time. * How easy is it to mount (orientation and form-factor)? * The PMags have roughly the same size/shape as Mags and can be mounted in any orientation. * What about fail-safety? * I chose two PMags so I didn't need any other power source if I had an alternator failure and battery failure. The down side is that I can not hand-prop it if I have a completely dead battery (but I'm not thrilled about hand-prop'g anyway). So I put a jump start connection under the cowl (highly recommended ... ask me how I know) * How easy is it to time? * The PMags couldn't be easier ... less than 1 minute for BOTH units and no special equipment! A REAL advantage if you've timed mags before! * What about spark plugs? * With electronic ignition on both sides, I could use auto sparkplugs @ $2-3/ea vs aviation plugs @ $20+. That is quite a savings. No fouling either. * Tach signal * Yup, works great w/ my GrandRapids EIS. * Miscellaneous * I talked w/ the EMag folks at OSH, liked them, felt I could trust them and they seemed like they'd be in business into the future ... other vendors, not the same. * Support * I've had their service bulletin done (There's been only one on mine) and they were quick and fair. They've been Terrific whenever I've called with questions. * Down sides * Can't really think of any. The connector is a little strange but has been reliable and seems robust so far. I can not vary the timing from the cockpit - but haven't really wanted/needed to. I only have experience with PMags and Mags (on previous planes), so I can't compare other systems. Good luck. "Jerry" Riffel N554JR - 125hrs ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:42 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: RV-7A "looksee" for my wife I am considering the RV-7A kit. Wife would like to sit in one to judge amount of space. Location is Mesa, AZ (KFFZ) Please call if you are in the Phoenix area and can accommodate a visit. Ted - 602-318-5565 (anytime cell) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:56 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Wife needs a RV-7A "grin ride" - Phoenix Area From: Ted Saylor I am considering the RV-7A kit. Wife would like to take a flight to judge it (she's a inactive private pilot). Location is Mesa, AZ (KFFZ) Please call if you are in the Phoenix area and can accommodate a ride. 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