---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/17/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:03 AM - Taxes (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Taxes (Thilo Kind) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Taxes (Thilo Kind) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Taxes (Tim Bryan) 5. 06:53 AM - Re: Taxes (scott bilinski) 6. 07:52 AM - Re: Taxes (d-burton@comcast.net) 7. 10:26 AM - Calaveras Air Faire 2010 (Larry Mersek) 8. 03:54 PM - Re: Taxes (Chuck Weyant) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: Taxes (Chuck Weyant) 10. 04:53 PM - Re: Taxes (rveighta@comcast.net) 11. 05:46 PM - Re: Taxes (John Morgensen) 12. 06:20 PM - Re: Taxes (Bret Smith) 13. 07:14 PM - Re: Taxes (Chuck Weyant) 14. 08:50 PM - EAA 21 Club Fly-In Lunch (Steven Eberhart) 15. 09:24 PM - Re: Taxes (scott bilinski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:18 AM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Taxes I also lived in Oregon Chuck: All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important thing that you need to consider. Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE PERCENT!! Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to get raped by the state. I've lived all over the country and the only place else I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%. Most states that have income taxes average around 3%. I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but NO state income tax. If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains but otherwise nice people and low cost of living. Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax from the state where you plan to move. One can avoid most sales taxes if you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone other than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes. In Oregon that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to buy votes, absolutely a rip off. Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws. The consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation. Chris may not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated for the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% total) for a few years to quash the budget deficit there. I was glad to leave and will never reside there again. I will be back to visit, in summer when the sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic. But I'd choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items --------------Original Message 2-------------- From: Chris Stone Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Hello Chuck... We left 15 years ago. Never looked back. Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax A/C and pilot registration fee: $30/yr. Real property tax depends on county. Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No personal property tax. Chris Stone RV-8 Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Weyant Subject: RV-List: Taxes We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana or NM what do you pay for: 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for airplanes purchases 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes 3. Annual real estate property tax for personal residence and/or hanger Thanks, Chuck ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:46 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Hi Dean, I had quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second home is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per month, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know about fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use? A piece of land here is more than land plus house in the US... Oregon sounds like paradies... I guess, it's all a matter of perspective. Cheers Thilo -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400 > Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > An: rv-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RV-List: Taxes > > > > I also lived in Oregon Chuck: > > All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important > thing that you need to consider. Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS > STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE > PERCENT!! Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to > get > raped by the state. I've lived all over the country and the only place > else > I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%. Most states that have > income > taxes average around 3%. I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but > NO state income tax. If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs > from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains > but > otherwise nice people and low cost of living. > > Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax > from the state where you plan to move. One can avoid most sales taxes if > you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone > other > than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes. In Oregon > that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to > buy votes, absolutely a rip off. > > Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws. The > consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government > confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation. Chris > may > not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks > running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated > for > the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal > politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of > bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I > left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% > total) > for a few years to quash the budget deficit there. I was glad to leave > and > will never reside there again. I will be back to visit, in summer when > the > sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic. But I'd > choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items > > > > --------------Original Message 2-------------- > From: Chris Stone > Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes > > > Hello Chuck... > > We left 15 years ago. Never looked back. Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax > A/C and pilot registration fee: $30/yr. Real property tax depends on > county. Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No > personal property tax. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Weyant > > Subject: RV-List: Taxes > > We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees > For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana > or NM what do you pay for: > 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for > airplanes purchases > 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes > 3. Annual real estate property tax for > personal residence and/or hanger > > Thanks, > Chuck > > > > > -- GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fr nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:46 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Hi Dean, I had quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second home is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per month, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know about fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use? A piece of land here is more than land plus house in the US... Oregon sounds like paradies... I guess, it's all a matter of perspective. Cheers Thilo -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400 > Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > An: rv-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RV-List: Taxes > > > > I also lived in Oregon Chuck: > > All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important > thing that you need to consider. Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS > STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE > PERCENT!! Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to > get > raped by the state. I've lived all over the country and the only place > else > I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%. Most states that have > income > taxes average around 3%. I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but > NO state income tax. If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs > from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains > but > otherwise nice people and low cost of living. > > Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax > from the state where you plan to move. One can avoid most sales taxes if > you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone > other > than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes. In Oregon > that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to > buy votes, absolutely a rip off. > > Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws. The > consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government > confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation. Chris > may > not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks > running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated > for > the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal > politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of > bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I > left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% > total) > for a few years to quash the budget deficit there. I was glad to leave > and > will never reside there again. I will be back to visit, in summer when > the > sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic. But I'd > choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items > > > > --------------Original Message 2-------------- > From: Chris Stone > Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes > > > Hello Chuck... > > We left 15 years ago. Never looked back. Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax > A/C and pilot registration fee: $30/yr. Real property tax depends on > county. Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No > personal property tax. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Weyant > > Subject: RV-List: Taxes > > We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees > For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana > or NM what do you pay for: > 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for > airplanes purchases > 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes > 3. Annual real estate property tax for > personal residence and/or hanger > > Thanks, > Chuck > > > > > -- GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fr nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:51 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes It really is just a matter of comparison between States in the US. I sure don't envy your situation where you are in Europe. I lived in Oregon for 30 years and to be honest I loved it for most of that time. I still miss the mountain views but not the cold weather. When the economy slows down you don't worry about income tax because you don't make any money anyway. The property taxes will kill you under that circumstance. The break from sales tax is nice but if you decide to build anything prepare for building permits, SDC's, and other add on cost to be a whopping multi 10's of thousands of dollars. If you want to live on an airpark too bad because Oregon is not friendly about that and it is nearly impossible to build one. So we moved to Texas. Airparks are everywhere. Now the cost of insurance is killing us as most of our insurance has doubled in cost. The cost to heat our house went down dramatically but the cost to cool it went up dramatically. There is no winning situation, you just pick what you like and what you want. One upside to Texas was I know live in a state where I vote with the majority. While I lived in Oregon it was a primarily Republican area but the only parts of the state where it was Democrat had all the population. Voting was a waste of time since it never went how I would vote. Bottom line is there is no real point in this discussion because no matter where you go if you are inclined to be unhappy it won't change. Just the issues of what makes you unhappy change. Pick your best bet and then when you are no longer happy, move again. I love flying my RV and I wish I was doing that now. In fact everyone take the day off and go fly and then report back on how nice that was. :-) We still live in the greatest country and are able to still fly for a little while longer. See ya Tim Do Not Archive! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thilo Kind Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Hi Dean, I had quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second home is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per month, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know about fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use? A piece of land here is more than land plus house in the US... Oregon sounds like paradies... I guess, it's all a matter of perspective. Cheers Thilo -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400 > Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > An: rv-list@matronics.com > Betreff: RV-List: Taxes > > > > I also lived in Oregon Chuck: > > All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important > thing that you need to consider. Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS > STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE > PERCENT!! Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to > get > raped by the state. I've lived all over the country and the only place > else > I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%. Most states that have > income > taxes average around 3%. I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but > NO state income tax. If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs > from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains > but > otherwise nice people and low cost of living. > > Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax > from the state where you plan to move. One can avoid most sales taxes if > you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone > other > than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes. In Oregon > that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to > buy votes, absolutely a rip off. > > Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws. The > consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government > confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation. Chris > may > not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks > running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated > for > the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal > politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of > bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I > left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% > total) > for a few years to quash the budget deficit there. I was glad to leave > and > will never reside there again. I will be back to visit, in summer when > the > sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic. But I'd > choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items > > > > --------------Original Message 2-------------- > From: Chris Stone > Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes > > > Hello Chuck... > > We left 15 years ago. Never looked back. Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax > A/C and pilot registration fee: $30/yr. Real property tax depends on > county. Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No > personal property tax. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > Oregon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Weyant > > Subject: RV-List: Taxes > > We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees > For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana > or NM what do you pay for: > 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for > airplanes purchases > 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes > 3. Annual real estate property tax for > personal residence and/or hanger > > Thanks, > Chuck > > > > > -- GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fr nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:48 AM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes So what-is the most tax/avaition friendly states?=0A-Scott =0ARV-8a=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thilo Kind =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed , March 17, 2010 5:58:02 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: Taxes=0A=0A--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" =0A=0AHi Dean,=0A=0AI h ad quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second ho me is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per m onth, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know abo ut fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use?- A piece of land here is mo re than land plus house in the US... Oregon sounds like paradies...=0A=0AI guess, it's all a matter of perspective.=0A=0ACheers=0A=0AThilo=0A-------- Original-Nachricht --------=0A> Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400=0A> Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" =0A> An: rv-list@matr "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I also lived in Oregon Chuck:=0A> =0A> All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important=0A> thing that you need to consider.- Oreg on has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS=0A> STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE=0A> PERCENT!!- Unless you are retired o r have your own business, prepare to=0A> get=0A> raped by the state.- I'v e lived all over the country and the only place=0A> else=0A> I've lived tha t comes close is Delaware at 7%.- Most states that have=0A> income=0A> ta xes average around 3%.- I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but =0A> NO state income tax.- If you want warm weather year around but no ri p offs=0A> from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No m ountains=0A> but=0A> otherwise nice people and low cost of living.=0A> =0A> Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax =0A> from the state where you plan to move.- One can avoid most sales tax es if=0A> you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for som eone=0A> other=0A> than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income tax es.- In Oregon=0A> that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes t o the politicians to=0A> buy votes, absolutely a rip off.=0A> =0A> Also Ore gon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws.- The=0A> conseq uence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government=0A> conf iscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation.- Chris=0A> m ay=0A> not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with c reeks=0A> running through their property) that had some of their land confi scated=0A> for=0A> the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of t he same liberal=0A> politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place f or you, lots of=0A> bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money . The year after I=0A> left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the inco me tax (that 11%=0A> total)=0A> for a few years to quash the budget deficit there.- I was glad to leave=0A> and=0A> will never reside there again. - I will be back to visit, in summer when=0A> the=0A> sun is out, temps a re moderate and the mountains are majestic.- But I'd=0A> choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains.=0A> =0A> Dean Psiropoul os=0A> RV-6A N197DM=0A> Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items=0A> =0A>- - =0A> =0A> --------------Original Message 2--------------=0A> Fr om: Chris Stone =0A> Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes=0A > =0A> =0A> Hello Chuck...=0A> =0A> We left 15 years ago.- Never looked b ack.- Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax=0A> A/C and pilot registration fee: - $30/yr. Real property tax depends on=0A> county.- Typ is 1.25-1.75% o f assessed value of land+improvements. No=0A> personal property tax.=0A> =0A> Chris Stone=0A> RV-8=0A> Oregon=0A> =0A> -----Original Message-----=0A > From: Chuck Weyant =0A> =0A> Subject: RV-List: Taxes=0A> =0A> We're movin g out of California.- Too many taxes/fees=0A> For those of you who live i n NV, AZ, OR, Montana=0A> or NM what do you pay for:=0A> 1. Sales tax perce nt (if any) for=0A> airplanes purchases =0A> 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airpla nes=0A> 3. Annual real estate property tax for=0A> personal residence and/o r hanger=0A> =0A> Thanks,=0A> Chuck=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A-- =0AGMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment f=FCr nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.!=0Ahttp: ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:56 AM PST US From: d-burton@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is. Are you working? Do you have substantial investments? Income? Own a home? A business? We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year. (Not income taxes. All taxes in total). Everybody in developed countries does. This comes as a big surprise to most people. You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation. Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money. What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket... This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever. My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year. Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes. Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse. I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. DavidB RV6 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:12 AM PST US From: "Larry Mersek " Subject: RV-List: Calaveras Air Faire 2010 The Calaveras Airport Fly-In and Open House is next month. Come help celebrate our annual Fly-in, we are looking forward to another great turn out of RV's! --Larry Mersek RV-6, KCPU Calaveras Airport "Air Fair 2010" Apr. 24-San Andreas, CA. Calaveras County Airport (KCPU)-Fly-In & Open House 8am-5pm. Aircraft static displays, $5 airplane rides, Music by Calaveras community band, Classic cars, Radio control aircraft exhibit, Breakfast by Lyons Club, Tri-Tip BBQ by EAA chapter 484. Kathy Zancanella: kz@mlode.com or Larry Mersek: rv6flyer@hughes.net Airport Info: (209) 736-2501 http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCPU EAA Motherlode chapter 484 website: www.EAA484.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:49 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes David, Thanks so much for your words of wisdom. How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes. I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes). I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee. TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th. That is good. My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there. Don't know what it would be like to live there though. Well, we don't have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info. Again thanks for you words of wisdom. They're greatly appreciated, Chuck _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is. Are you working? Do you have substantial investments? Income? Own a home? A business? We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year. (Not income taxes. All taxes in total). Everybody in developed countries does. This comes as a big surprise to most people. You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation. Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money. What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket... This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever. My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year. Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes. Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse. I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. DavidB RV6 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:48 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes Whew, thanks a ton for the info Dean. Very informative! Chuck Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:05 PM Subject: RV-List: Taxes I also lived in Oregon Chuck: All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important thing that you need to consider. Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE PERCENT!! Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to get raped by the state. I've lived all over the country and the only place else I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%. Most states that have income taxes average around 3%. I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but NO state income tax. If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains but otherwise nice people and low cost of living. Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax from the state where you plan to move. One can avoid most sales taxes if you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone other than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes. In Oregon that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to buy votes, absolutely a rip off. Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws. The consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation. Chris may not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated for the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% total) for a few years to quash the budget deficit there. I was glad to leave and will never reside there again. I will be back to visit, in summer when the sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic. But I'd choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items --------------Original Message 2-------------- From: Chris Stone Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Hello Chuck... We left 15 years ago. Never looked back. Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax A/C and pilot registration fee: $30/yr. Real property tax depends on county. Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No personal property tax. Chris Stone RV-8 Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Weyant Subject: RV-List: Taxes We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana or NM what do you pay for: 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for airplanes purchases 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes 3. Annual real estate property tax for personal residence and/or hanger Thanks, Chuck ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:59 PM PST US From: rveighta@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes Chuck, I forwarded your first message to the developer of my airpark, Ted H ensley. Good to hear he responded to you. Like you I'm retired (DuPont), and have lived in about a dozen states plus five fore ign countries. And I like Tennessee the best. Why? Because it's has the lowest cost of living of any place I've been, the east ern part where I live has spectacular mountain views (5,000' peaks 4 miles from the runway), the people are friendly and we have a wide diversity of pilots here at the airpark. Most pilots are retired, but one is a medivac helo pilot and another flies for Delta. We have a stearman, two J-3's and several RV's (7A, 7, 9A and the tail section of an RV-12 which I'm building). Most of the pil ots are from other states - Florida, Mississippi, Virginia, New Jersey, Texas and one from California. Check out our website and see what you think. If I can be of any help, give me a shout...... Walt Shipley (423) 257-6566 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Weyant" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:51:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes David, Thanks so much for your words of wisdom.=C2- How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes.=C2- I am recently retired but have n umerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes).=C2- I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee.=C2- T N is 49 th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50 th .=C2- That is good.=C2- My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there.=C2- Don=99t know what it would be like to live there though.=C2- Well, we don=99t have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info.=C2- Again thanks for you words of wisdom.=C2- They=99re greatly appreci ated, Chuck From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.=C2- Are y ou working?=C2- Do you have substantial investments?=C2- Income? Own a home?=C2- A business? We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.=C2- (No t income taxes.=C2- All taxes in total).=C2- Everybody in developed cou ntries does.=C2- This comes as a big surprise to most people. You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize y our income and minimize your tax obligation.=C2- Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.=C2- What is important at the end of the day is w hat remains in your pocket...=C2- This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.=C2- My stat e (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at t he moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying t heir "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircra ft this year.=C2- Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living ther e again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.=C2- Unfortunately si nce taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequ ate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.=C2-=C2- I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may d rive the decision. DavidB RV6 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums. matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.mat ============== == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:30 PM PST US From: John Morgensen Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes I think this is an interesting thread. Walt, I can't seem to find any pointers to the park that you are talking about. Can you repost the website and or airport identifier? john rveighta@comcast.net wrote: > > Chuck, I forwarded your first message to the developer of my airpark, > Ted Hensley. Good to hear he responded to you. Like you > > I'm retired (DuPont), and have lived in about a dozen states plus five > foreign countries. And I like Tennessee the best. Why? > > Because it's has the lowest cost of living of any place I've been, the > eastern part where I live has spectacular mountain views (5,000' > > peaks 4 miles from the runway), the people are friendly and we have a > wide diversity of pilots here at the airpark. > > > > Most pilots are retired, but one is a medivac helo pilot and another > flies for Delta. We have a stearman, two J-3's and several RV's (7A, > > 7, 9A and the tail section of an RV-12 which I'm building). Most of > the pilots are from other states - Florida, Mississippi, Virginia, > > New Jersey, Texas and one from California. > > > > Check out our website and see what you think. If I can be of any help, > give me a shout...... > > > > Walt Shipley (423) 257-6566 > > * > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:02 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes Chuck, I live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at Copperhill, TN (1A3). Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and Atlanta. Lots of Florida retirees here with hiking, camping and fly fishing streams everywhere. We have an active EAA Chapter nearby (www.eaa1211.org). Why not visit and stay with us to get a feel for the area. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes David, Thanks so much for your words of wisdom. How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes. I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes). I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee. TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th. That is good. My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there. Don't know what it would be like to live there though. Well, we don't have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info. Again thanks for you words of wisdom. They're greatly appreciated, Chuck _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is. Are you working? Do you have substantial investments? Income? Own a home? A business? We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year. (Not income taxes. All taxes in total). Everybody in developed countries does. This comes as a big surprise to most people. You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation. Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money. What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket... This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever. My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year. Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes. Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse. I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. DavidB RV6 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:48 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes Wooee. Thanks for the invite. Who knows, just might do that. How's taxes, etc., in GA? Chuck _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes Chuck, I live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at Copperhill, TN (1A3). Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and Atlanta. Lots of Florida retirees here with hiking, camping and fly fishing streams everywhere. We have an active EAA Chapter nearby (www.eaa1211.org). Why not visit and stay with us to get a feel for the area. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Taxes David, Thanks so much for your words of wisdom. How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes. I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes). I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee. TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th. That is good. My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there. Don't know what it would be like to live there though. Well, we don't have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info. Again thanks for you words of wisdom. They're greatly appreciated, Chuck _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is. Are you working? Do you have substantial investments? Income? Own a home? A business? We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year. (Not income taxes. All taxes in total). Everybody in developed countries does. This comes as a big surprise to most people. You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation. Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money. What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket... This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever. My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year. Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes. Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse. I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. DavidB RV6 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:55 PM PST US From: Steven Eberhart Subject: RV-List: EAA 21 Club Fly-In Lunch **Our EAA Chapter is pleased to announce the opening of EAA 21 Club. We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and Hot Dogs for all that fly-in. Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday (with a couple of exceptions) each month. When: April 3, May 1, June 5, July 10, August 14, September 4, October 2 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR) If KEHR is VFR then we are grilling the best gourmet hamburgers, brats and hot dogs this side of Sporty's for all that fly or drive in.. Steve Eberhart Program Chairman EAA Chapter 21 Evansvile, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:56 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Taxes How is the humidity in that area? I can handle moderately cold winters with light snow or humid summers but not both!=0A=0A Scott=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bret Smith =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:16:24 PM=0ASu bject: RE: RV-List: Taxes=0A=0A =0AChuck,=0A =0AI live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at=0ACopperhill, TN (1A3). Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and=0AAtlanta. 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