---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/06/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: VM1000 Oil Pressure Sender (Charles Kuss) 2. 06:59 AM - IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Chris Stone) 3. 09:06 AM - Re: (UPDATE) Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't Calibrate... (Matt Dralle) 4. 04:45 PM - Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Charles Kuss) 5. 05:40 PM - Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Matt Dralle) 6. 06:16 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (dmaib@me.com) 7. 08:55 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (RV6 Flyer) 8. 10:13 PM - Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:14 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 Oil Pressure Sender Gary, -I could- find only limited spec info for your transducer using a quick Google search. However, if it is a commonly used 10 to 180 ohm unit, you c an find a VDO replacement here. http://www.egauges.com/vdo_indS.asp?Sender=150PSI_10Bar&PN=360-430 This unit also covers 0 to 150 psi and is about 10% of the price of the 301 0018. Charlie Kuss --- On Sun, 4/4/10, Vanremog@aol.com wrote: From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 Oil Pressure Sender =0A=0A =0A=0AI've troubleshot my installation and all seems good according to the =0ATroubleshooting Guide from VM, but I am getting low readings from the =0Aoil-pressure system-all of a sudden.- If any lister has a spa re =0Aunused P/N 3010018 Oil Pressure Transducer, I would be interested in borrowing =0Ait to further confirm the problem.=0A-=0AA new sender-fetc hes-a princely sum of $400, so I want to be =0Asure.=0A-=0AThanks in ad vance.=0A-=0AN1GV (RV-6A =0AFlying 936TTAE Silicon Valley, CA)=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:30 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Hello listers... Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel controller) to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the sump boss to accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the front of the sump. Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that by switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will detune the system. Chris Stone RV-8 Oregon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:46 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: (UPDATE) Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders Won't Calibrate... Dear Listers, I was able to get fairly good access to the fuel sender from under the airplane and so I removed the 5 screws with a right-angle electric screwdriver attachment and gently pulled the sender about 1" out. As I did this, I noticed that the tip of the probe seemed to touching the bottom of the fuel tank. Recall that the probe comes prebent in a "U" shape for RV installations. I thought that perhaps the tip of the probe touching the tank wasn't a good idea, so I gently twisted the fuel sender so as to slightly bend the tip of the probe up just a little bit. I pushed the sending back into the hole and put two screws in to hold it in normal position. I applied power and pressed the button down to get it into calibration mode. I got the one flashing LED indicating Empty set point as before. I pressed the button once again to get the 1/4 set point, and much to my surprise, I received to next sequence of two flashing lights!! So I tried the same procedure on the left tank and got the same results! Yahoo! When I pulled the sender from the tank, the Proseal 100% stuck to the metal tank and released from the sender. This worked out really well as it formed a nice gasket. I mixed up a batch of Proseal and applied it to the probe and then used new screws and reassembled both sides. After the reinstallation, I tested the power-on/first set point again and was pleased to see that it was still working! Yahoo! So, after the Proseal cures, I'll try the calibration with fuel again. Hopefully it will go through all 5 steps and I can just move on with this! I was all ready to replace the Princeton's with the standard S&W floats, but when I got to looking I realized that I had powered the Princeton's with +12v, and the floats require a 470 ohm to 4.8V. So, changing to the floats would require rewiring behind the panel and that's a whole lot of work I'm just not up for right now!! Hopefully the Princeton's will calibrate fully now and I'll be back on track! I'll post another update after my calibration escapade... Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog At 05:37 PM 4/4/2010 Sunday, Matt Dralle wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I installed Princeton 18-5B-5S Fuel Senders in the left and right fuel tanks with Proseal (see attached). Last week I installed the wings permanently and today I torqued all of the fuel lines from the wings to the fuselage. I got 21 gallons in 5.25 gallon increments ready to calibrate the 5-set point Princeton probes today. They both powered up fine and started flashing the left light indicating the Empty set point. I pushed the button once per the calibration instructions to go to the 1/4 level. Instead of getting the #2 led flashing, I get the all three LEDs flashing sequence indicating that probe "Can't be calibrated"!!! > > From the installation manual: CAL Error (three flashing LEDs) - The probe failed to calibrate. Possible causes: water in the tank (NO), inner brass rod is shorted to the outside aluminum tube (PROBABLY), Alcohol in the fuel (NO), trying to calibrate full first instead of empty (NO), or the probe electronics have failed (MAYBE)." Yeah, you read all that right. > >The best part of this story is that I Prosealed these babies in, installed the wings, and now discover that both probes are defective or what even. How can this fricken be? Its too late in the game for this. Replacing these stupid probes is going to be a major pain not to mention the fact that likelihood of leaks are now going to be high. I just can't believe it. This is so frustrating. Why didn't the manual advise to check this long before now? Like before they were installed, during installation, and right after installation before the Proseal cured? > >Oh, did I mention BOTH are bad? How can this be... How disheartening. Please tell me I'm just mis-reading the calibration instructions...? > >I'm going to go out on a limb here and say avoid these piles of garbage... > >Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:39 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Chris, No it won't "de-tune" the system. The tuning is in the equal length of the intake runners of the system. Moving the servo from rear to front won't affect that. For great info on doing this, go to: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33171&page=3 & http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=41657&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front & http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11482&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Chris Stone wrote: > From: Chris Stone > Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:32 AM > Chris Stone > > Hello listers... > > Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel > controller) to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the > sump boss to accept the mounting of the fuel controller to > the front of the sump. > > Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that > by switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will > detune the system. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > Oregon > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:44 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:00 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... From: "dmaib@me.com" The EAA Amateur Built Certification Kit that leads you through all of the paperwork is an excellent resource. Step by step instructions for a very reasonable cost of $12.99. Follow all of the steps carefully and it will all go through without a hitch. It can be ordered by phone or online at EAA. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293280#293280 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:48 PM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... You need the HARD CARD from Oklahoma City. The PINK copy is NOT sufficient. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C345+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA > Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 17:37:28 -0700 > To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics .com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... > > > > I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registratio n cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cer t=2C or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log > Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight... > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:22 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that its moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been put on. Won't be long now!! 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