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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (n801bh@netzero.com)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... ()
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Fisher Paul A.)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (Charles Rowbotham)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Chris Stone)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (Matt Dralle)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Greg)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... ()
9. 12:49 PM - Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Chris Stone)
10. 02:29 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Matt Dralle)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Greg)
12. 03:08 PM - Re: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Charles Kuss)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Mike Robertson)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (RV6 Flyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
NICE job Matt. !!!!
It sure is a great feeling seeing the toy in its new home, ain't it ?
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
m
Subject: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar...
Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that
its moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been p
ut on.
Won't be long now!!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
Final Bits And Pieces...
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| Subject: | Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!!
The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging from
the ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that?
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| Subject: | Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
Looks like you are still getting conflicting reports Matt! I got my AW cer
tificate last August. My local FSDO (Des Moines Iowa) required me to have
the final registration - not the pink copy. It may vary by FSDO, but the r
ule here is as Gary describes below.
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF ~80 hours (and happy spring has finally arrived!)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 22:49
Subject: RE: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg...
You need the HARD CARD from Oklahoma City. The PINK copy is NOT sufficient.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,345+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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| Subject: | Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
Hi Matt=2C
Congratulations=2C great to hear you are now in your hangar and look forwar
d to hearing about your first flight (don't let up - it will be sooner than
you think (not to many parts left on the shelves :-)
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A sold and working on RV-9A
> Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 22:12:06 -0700
> To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics
.com
> From: dralle@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar...
>
>
> Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that i
ts moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been put on
.
>
> Won't be long now!!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
> Final Bits And Pieces...
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| Subject: | Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 |
Charlie...
Great info! Thank you.
I am encouraged now that I have seen it done by others.
chris
-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 6, 2010 7:44 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>
>
>Chris,
> No it won't "de-tune" the system. The tuning is in the equal length of the intake
runners of the system. Moving the servo from rear to front won't affect that.
For great info on doing this, go to:
>
>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33171&page=3
>
>&
>
>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=41657&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front
>
>&
>
>http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11482&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front
>
>Charlie Kuss
>
>--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:32 AM
>> Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hello listers...
>>
>> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel
>> controller) to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the
>> sump boss to accept the mounting of the fuel controller to
>> the front of the sump.
>>
>> Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that
>> by switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will
>> detune the system.
>>
>> Chris Stone
>> RV-8
>> Oregon
>>
>> Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
At 04:35 AM 4/7/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!!
>
>The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging from the
ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that?
Thanks!
Those black boxes are speakers! Gotta have tunes when you're working on the RV,
don't you know!
The floor is carpeted. It really makes working on the plane a lot nicer. I spent
the good part of the past weekend working underneath the plane on my back
and it was very comfortable. Highly recommend.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | IO360C1C6 to A1B6 |
I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss milled and tapped
for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That was on a parallel
valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide spacers to get
them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve engine. The down
side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A model sump and I had
to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected to go with an A sump
on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the parallel valve engine.
I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is interested. It
has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten if it was 1 or 2)
for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium as are the added
bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup for the AFP servo.
Contact me off list if interested.
Regards,
Greg Young
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>
>
> Hello listers...
>
> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel controller)
> to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the sump boss to
> accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the front of the sump.
>
> Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that by
> switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will detune
> the system.
>
> Chris Stone
> RV-8
> Oregon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... |
OMG. Now I have "speaker envy"!
Very nice!
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar...
>
> At 04:35 AM 4/7/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>
>>Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!!
>>
>>The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging
>>from the ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Those black boxes are speakers! Gotta have tunes when you're working on
> the RV, don't you know!
>
> The floor is carpeted. It really makes working on the plane a lot nicer.
> I spent the good part of the past weekend working underneath the plane on
> my back and it was very comfortable. Highly recommend.
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 |
Greg,
Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had said regarding interference
with the engine mount. It appears that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will
be purchasing the 'A' sump and pipes.
One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs Picasa web album that shows
a RV-8 engine installation with an IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined
to fit the fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance between
the rear of the sump and the engine mount.
http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallForward#5311619666248489490
Still head scratching...
chris stone RV8 Oregon
-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg <bigdog@bentwing.com>
>Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>
>
>I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss milled and tapped
>for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That was on a parallel
>valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide spacers to get
>them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve engine. The down
>side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A model sump and I had
>to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected to go with an A sump
>on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the parallel valve engine.
>
>I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is interested. It
>has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten if it was 1 or 2)
>for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium as are the added
>bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup for the AFP servo.
>Contact me off list if interested.
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>>
>>
>> Hello listers...
>>
>> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel controller)
>> to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the sump boss to
>> accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the front of the sump.
>>
>> Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that by
>> switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will detune
>> the system.
>>
>> Chris Stone
>> RV-8
>> Oregon
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
At 05:37 PM 4/6/2010 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>
>I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert
from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is
the pink copy of the registration sufficient?
>
>Matt Dralle
I found the following bit of information on the FAA web site regarding registrations
and the use of the Pink copy. Here's an excerpt from the link that follows:
"You can also check the Document Index to see if recently mailed registration documents
have arrived at the Aircraft Registration Branch. Arrival of registration
documents in the Registry enables confirmation that application for registration
has been made and temporary (pink-copy) operating authority is in effect.
Processing registration documents related to a change in aircraft ownership
averages 16 working days after their receipt."
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/registration_status/
To me, this sounds like as soon as the FAA has received the registration and entered
it into the system as indicated by an on line status search, you are allowed
to use the Pink copy until the real copy arrives.
I would then assume that Airworthiness could be applied for under the same conditions...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 |
Chris,
It may work fine on an RV-8 since the mount is going to be different from
the -6. On the -6 the sump did not touch the mount with new isolators. It
had about 1/8 inch clearance. Considering sag over time and the normal
movement I had the two offending tubes rewelded with a kink in them. Without
the gear going into the mount the geometry change might provide the
clearance. When I get home tonight I'll try to dig up the pictures showing
the engine with the modified mount so you can compare it with Charlie's.
Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6
>
>
> Greg,
>
> Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had said
> regarding interference with the engine mount. It appears
> that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will be purchasing
> the 'A' sump and pipes.
>
> One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs Picasa
> web album that shows a RV-8 engine installation with an
> IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined to fit the
> fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance
> between the rear of the sump and the engine mount.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallFor
> ward#5311619666248489490
>
> Still head scratching...
>
> chris stone RV8 Oregon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Greg <bigdog@bentwing.com>
> >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
> >
> >
> >I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss
> milled and
> >tapped for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That
> was on a
> >parallel valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide
> >spacers to get them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an
> angle valve
> >engine. The down side for my -6 was the sump sits farther
> aft than the
> >A model sump and I had to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I
> >elected to go with an A sump on my rebuild which also has
> tubes made for the parallel valve engine.
> >
> >I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is
> interested.
> >It has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten
> if it was 1
> >or 2) for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium
> as are the
> >added bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup
> for the AFP servo.
> >Contact me off list if interested.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Greg Young
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 |
Chris,
For an RV8, the C style sump and intake tubes will work when converted for a forward
facing servo. No modification of the engine mount is necessary. Mods are
needed for RV6, RV7 & RV9 motor mounts. The C sump will not fit on any A [tricycle
gear] model. The links I provided were to threads on the Vans Air Force
site. As Greg stated, the intake tube spacers are only needed when using an angle
valve sump and tubes on a parallel valve 360 engine.
Charlie Kuss
--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 3:48 PM
> Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> Greg,
>
> Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had
> said regarding interference with the engine mount. It
> appears that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will be
> purchasing the 'A' sump and pipes.
>
> One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs
> Picasa web album that shows a RV-8 engine installation with
> an IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined to fit the
> fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance
> between the rear of the sump and the engine mount.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallForward#5311619666248489490
>
> Still head scratching...
>
> chris stone RV8 Oregon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Greg <bigdog@bentwing.com>
> >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
> >
> >
> >I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front
> boss milled and tapped
> >for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That
> was on a parallel
> >valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and
> provide spacers to get
> >them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve
> engine. The down
> >side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A
> model sump and I had
> >to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected
> to go with an A sump
> >on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the
> parallel valve engine.
> >
> >I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else
> is interested. It
> >has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten
> if it was 1 or 2)
> >for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium
> as are the added
> >bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup
> for the AFP servo.
> >Contact me off list if interested.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Greg Young
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>
> >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Stone
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM
> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6
> >>
> <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >> Hello listers...
> >>
> >> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel
> controller)
> >> to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the
> sump boss to
> >> accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the
> front of the sump.
> >>
> >> Since this is a tuned induction system I am
> concerned that by
> >> switching the inlet to the front of the sump it
> will detune
> >> the system.
> >>
> >> Chris Stone
> >> RV-8
> >> Oregon
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
Matt=2C
The aircraft MUST be registered and you have the registration in hand befor
e the airworthiness inspection can take place.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 17:37:28 -0700
> To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics
.com
> From: dralle@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg...
>
>
>
> I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration
cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert
=2C or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient?
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log
> Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... |
Matt:
You MUST have the registration from Oklahoma City before you apply for the
application for airworthiness on an Amateur Built Aircraft. What you are re
ading is for CERTIFICATED aircraft.
Good luck trying to find a DAR that will do the aircraft without the 8050-3
Registration from Oklahoma City. I am one DAR that will not do the airwor
thiness inspection without the final 8050-3 Registration from Oklahoma City
.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C345+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
om
From: dralle@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg...
At 05:37 PM 4/6/2010 Tuesday=2C you wrote:
--> RV-List message posted
by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final
registration cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your
Airworthiness cert=2C or is the pink copy of the registration
sufficient?
Matt Dralle
I found the following bit of information on the FAA web site regarding
registrations and the use of the Pink copy. Here's an excerpt from
the link that follows:
"You can also check the Document Index
to see if recently mailed registration documents have arrived at the
Aircraft Registration Branch. Arrival of registration documents in
the Registry enables confirmation that application for registration has
been made and temporary (pink-copy) operating authority is in
effect. Processing registration documents related to a change in
aircraft ownership averages 16 working days after their
receipt."
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re
gistry/registration_status/
To me=2C this sounds like as soon as the FAA has received the registration
and entered it into the system as indicated by an on line status search=2C
you are allowed to use the Pink copy until the real copy
arrives.
I would then assume that Airworthiness could be applied for under the
same conditions...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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