---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/07/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:58 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (n801bh@netzero.com) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... () 3. 05:19 AM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Fisher Paul A.) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (Charles Rowbotham) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Chris Stone) 6. 09:12 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... (Matt Dralle) 7. 09:48 AM - Re: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Greg) 8. 11:35 AM - Re: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... () 9. 12:49 PM - Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Chris Stone) 10. 02:29 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Matt Dralle) 11. 02:35 PM - Re: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Greg) 12. 03:08 PM - Re: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 (Charles Kuss) 13. 03:30 PM - Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (Mike Robertson) 14. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... (RV6 Flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:13 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... NICE job Matt. !!!! It sure is a great feeling seeing the toy in its new home, ain't it ? do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Matt Dralle m Subject: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that its moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been p ut on. Won't be long now!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log Final Bits And Pieces... ____________________________________________________________ Free Penny Stock Alerts 100% - 2,500% Big Time Movers. Make Money Now. Join for Free! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4bbc4861cc679140d88st05vuc ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!! The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging from the ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:51 AM PST US From: "Fisher Paul A." Subject: RE: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... Looks like you are still getting conflicting reports Matt! I got my AW cer tificate last August. My local FSDO (Des Moines Iowa) required me to have the final registration - not the pink copy. It may vary by FSDO, but the r ule here is as Gary describes below. Paul A. Fisher RV-7A N18PF ~80 hours (and happy spring has finally arrived!) From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 22:49 Subject: RE: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... You need the HARD CARD from Oklahoma City. The PINK copy is NOT sufficient. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,345+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:13 AM PST US From: Charles Rowbotham Subject: RE: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... Hi Matt=2C Congratulations=2C great to hear you are now in your hangar and look forwar d to hearing about your first flight (don't let up - it will be sooner than you think (not to many parts left on the shelves :-) Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A sold and working on RV-9A > Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 22:12:06 -0700 > To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics .com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... > > > Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of the 'ol RV-8 project now that i ts moved to the hangar... Since these were taken the wings have been put on .. > > Won't be long now!! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log > Final Bits And Pieces... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:42 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: Re: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Charlie... Great info! Thank you. I am encouraged now that I have seen it done by others. chris -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Kuss >Sent: Apr 6, 2010 7:44 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > >Chris, > No it won't "de-tune" the system. The tuning is in the equal length of the intake runners of the system. Moving the servo from rear to front won't affect that. For great info on doing this, go to: > >http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33171&page=3 > >& > >http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=41657&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front > >& > >http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11482&highlight=Converting+rear+servo+front > >Charlie Kuss > >--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Chris Stone wrote: > >> From: Chris Stone >> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:32 AM >> Chris Stone >> >> Hello listers... >> >> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel >> controller) to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the >> sump boss to accept the mounting of the fuel controller to >> the front of the sump. >> >> Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that >> by switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will >> detune the system. >> >> Chris Stone >> RV-8 >> Oregon >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:58 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... At 04:35 AM 4/7/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: > >Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!! > >The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging from the ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that? Thanks! Those black boxes are speakers! Gotta have tunes when you're working on the RV, don't you know! The floor is carpeted. It really makes working on the plane a lot nicer. I spent the good part of the past weekend working underneath the plane on my back and it was very comfortable. Highly recommend. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:38 AM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss milled and tapped for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That was on a parallel valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide spacers to get them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve engine. The down side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A model sump and I had to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected to go with an A sump on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the parallel valve engine. I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is interested. It has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten if it was 1 or 2) for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium as are the added bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup for the AFP servo. Contact me off list if interested. Regards, Greg Young > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > > Hello listers... > > Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel controller) > to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the sump boss to > accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the front of the sump. > > Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that by > switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will detune > the system. > > Chris Stone > RV-8 > Oregon > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:59 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... OMG. Now I have "speaker envy"! Very nice! Smitty http://SmittysRV.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Mr RV-8 Moves To The Hangar... > > At 04:35 AM 4/7/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: >> >>Now, THAT'S Cool!! Congrats!! >> >>The hangar is also really something. What are those black boxes hanging >>from the ceiling behind the hangar doors? What kind of flooring is that? > > Thanks! > > Those black boxes are speakers! Gotta have tunes when you're working on > the RV, don't you know! > > The floor is carpeted. It really makes working on the plane a lot nicer. > I spent the good part of the past weekend working underneath the plane on > my back and it was very comfortable. Highly recommend. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:51 PM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Greg, Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had said regarding interference with the engine mount. It appears that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will be purchasing the 'A' sump and pipes. One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs Picasa web album that shows a RV-8 engine installation with an IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined to fit the fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance between the rear of the sump and the engine mount. http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallForward#5311619666248489490 Still head scratching... chris stone RV8 Oregon -----Original Message----- >From: Greg >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > >I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss milled and tapped >for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That was on a parallel >valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide spacers to get >them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve engine. The down >side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A model sump and I had >to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected to go with an A sump >on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the parallel valve engine. > >I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is interested. It >has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten if it was 1 or 2) >for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium as are the added >bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup for the AFP servo. >Contact me off list if interested. > >Regards, >Greg Young > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 >> >> >> Hello listers... >> >> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel controller) >> to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the sump boss to >> accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the front of the sump. >> >> Since this is a tuned induction system I am concerned that by >> switching the inlet to the front of the sump it will detune >> the system. >> >> Chris Stone >> RV-8 >> Oregon >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:57 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... At 05:37 PM 4/6/2010 Tuesday, you wrote: > > >I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert, or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient? > >Matt Dralle I found the following bit of information on the FAA web site regarding registrations and the use of the Pink copy. Here's an excerpt from the link that follows: "You can also check the Document Index to see if recently mailed registration documents have arrived at the Aircraft Registration Branch. Arrival of registration documents in the Registry enables confirmation that application for registration has been made and temporary (pink-copy) operating authority is in effect. Processing registration documents related to a change in aircraft ownership averages 16 working days after their receipt." http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/registration_status/ To me, this sounds like as soon as the FAA has received the registration and entered it into the system as indicated by an on line status search, you are allowed to use the Pink copy until the real copy arrives. I would then assume that Airworthiness could be applied for under the same conditions...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:41 PM PST US From: "Greg" Subject: RE: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Chris, It may work fine on an RV-8 since the mount is going to be different from the -6. On the -6 the sump did not touch the mount with new isolators. It had about 1/8 inch clearance. Considering sag over time and the normal movement I had the two offending tubes rewelded with a kink in them. Without the gear going into the mount the geometry change might provide the clearance. When I get home tonight I'll try to dig up the pictures showing the engine with the modified mount so you can compare it with Charlie's. Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Stone > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:49 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > > Greg, > > Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had said > regarding interference with the engine mount. It appears > that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will be purchasing > the 'A' sump and pipes. > > One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs Picasa > web album that shows a RV-8 engine installation with an > IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined to fit the > fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance > between the rear of the sump and the engine mount. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallFor > ward#5311619666248489490 > > Still head scratching... > > chris stone RV8 Oregon > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Greg > >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > > > > >I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front boss > milled and > >tapped for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That > was on a > >parallel valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and provide > >spacers to get them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an > angle valve > >engine. The down side for my -6 was the sump sits farther > aft than the > >A model sump and I had to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I > >elected to go with an A sump on my rebuild which also has > tubes made for the parallel valve engine. > > > >I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else is > interested. > >It has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten > if it was 1 > >or 2) for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium > as are the > >added bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup > for the AFP servo. > >Contact me off list if interested. > > > >Regards, > >Greg Young > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:58 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 Chris, For an RV8, the C style sump and intake tubes will work when converted for a forward facing servo. No modification of the engine mount is necessary. Mods are needed for RV6, RV7 & RV9 motor mounts. The C sump will not fit on any A [tricycle gear] model. The links I provided were to threads on the Vans Air Force site. As Greg stated, the intake tube spacers are only needed when using an angle valve sump and tubes on a parallel valve 360 engine. Charlie Kuss --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Chris Stone wrote: > From: Chris Stone > Subject: RV-List: Sump fit IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 3:48 PM > Chris Stone > > Greg, > > Thanks for the nugget! This confirms what Bart had > said regarding interference with the engine mount. It > appears that I will have an extra 'C' sump as I will be > purchasing the 'A' sump and pipes. > > One question remains. Charlie posted a link to IDGs > Picasa web album that shows a RV-8 engine installation with > an IO-360 parallel valve with a 'C' sump machined to fit the > fuel servo to the front. It appears there is clearance > between the rear of the sump and the engine mount. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/intelligentdesigngroup/FirewallForward#5311619666248489490 > > Still head scratching... > > chris stone RV8 Oregon > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Greg > >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:47 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > > > > > >I used a C model sump on my 1st RV-6. I had the front > boss milled and tapped > >for studs to mount an Airflow Performance servo. That > was on a parallel > >valve O-360 so I had to adjust the intake tubes and > provide spacers to get > >them to fit. That shouldn't be needed on an angle valve > engine. The down > >side for my -6 was the sump sits farther aft than the A > model sump and I had > >to modify my engine mount to get clearance. I elected > to go with an A sump > >on my rebuild which also has tubes made for the > parallel valve engine. > > > >I have the C model sump available if you or anyone else > is interested. It > >has been modified to add the oil bosses (I've forgotten > if it was 1 or 2) > >for a Christen inverted system. The sump is magnesium > as are the added > >bosses. Rear has a cover plate and the front is setup > for the AFP servo. > >Contact me off list if interested. > > > >Regards, > >Greg Young > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Chris Stone > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:32 AM > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: RV-List: IO360C1C6 to A1B6 > >> > > >> > >> Hello listers... > >> > >> Has anyone converted a Lyc IO360-C1C6 (rear fuel > controller) > >> to a A1B6 front fuel controller by machining the > sump boss to > >> accept the mounting of the fuel controller to the > front of the sump. > >> > >> Since this is a tuned induction system I am > concerned that by > >> switching the inlet to the front of the sump it > will detune > >> the system. > >> > >> Chris Stone > >> RV-8 > >> Oregon > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:37 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... Matt=2C The aircraft MUST be registered and you have the registration in hand befor e the airworthiness inspection can take place. Mike Robertson Das Fed > Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 17:37:28 -0700 > To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv7-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics .com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... > > > > I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert =2C or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's RV-8 Building Log > Final Bits - Inspection then Test Flight... > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:43 PM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... Matt: You MUST have the registration from Oklahoma City before you apply for the application for airworthiness on an Amateur Built Aircraft. What you are re ading is for CERTIFICATED aircraft. Good luck trying to find a DAR that will do the aircraft without the 8050-3 Registration from Oklahoma City. I am one DAR that will not do the airwor thiness inspection without the final 8050-3 Registration from Oklahoma City .. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C345+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA om From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Registration vs. Airworthiness - Chicken & The Egg... At 05:37 PM 4/6/2010 Tuesday=2C you wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle I've gotten some conflicting reports. Do you have your final registration cert from the FAA in hand before you can apply for your Airworthiness cert=2C or is the pink copy of the registration sufficient? Matt Dralle I found the following bit of information on the FAA web site regarding registrations and the use of the Pink copy. Here's an excerpt from the link that follows: "You can also check the Document Index to see if recently mailed registration documents have arrived at the Aircraft Registration Branch. Arrival of registration documents in the Registry enables confirmation that application for registration has been made and temporary (pink-copy) operating authority is in effect. Processing registration documents related to a change in aircraft ownership averages 16 working days after their receipt." http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re gistry/registration_status/ To me=2C this sounds like as soon as the FAA has received the registration and entered it into the system as indicated by an on line status search=2C you are allowed to use the Pink copy until the real copy arrives. I would then assume that Airworthiness could be applied for under the same conditions...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. 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