---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/18/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Rocket steering link (Richard Martin) 2. 01:38 PM - just weighed N811WT (thomas sargent) 3. 03:06 PM - Re: just weighed N811WT (Linn Walters) 4. 03:32 PM - Re: just weighed N811WT (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 03:34 PM - Re: just weighed N811WT (Robin Marks) 6. 03:58 PM - Re: Rocket steering link (chris r) 7. 04:00 PM - Re: just weighed N811WT (thomas sargent) 8. 08:45 PM - Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Rocket steering link From: Richard Martin I replaced my chains over 5 years ago with a rocket link because I did not like the lag with the chains and also the rattle. The rocket link affords very responsive stearing, however, since I fly most of the time off of my grass airstrip, I have had to replace it several times.Apparantly, the resistance of the grass causes a stress on the tube shape of the arm and I have had it brake several times. I reinforced it with a rod inserted inside of the tube and rewelded everything, however last fall it broke again and was not repairable. I now fly my RV8 without any stearable link of any type. I find that the RV8 is very responsive to rudder input and I now fly without any stearing apparatus.. Note: this does require occasional brake input for stearing when landing and taxing. Good luck. Dick Martin RV8 N233M. Now approaching 2000 hours on my RV8. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Tom Wright wrote: > > > Mine works fine. The bungee aparently allows it to caster (against the > spring) upon touchdown. I haven't had a problem. > > Tom > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM, chris r wrote: > >> >> I`m thinking of getting a rocket steering link for my 6, does the rockt >> link allow much rudder movement before the the tailwheel starts to turn? I >> generally have my chains fairly loose to help keep tailwheel straight when >> landing in a cross wind. The rocket link looks like it might be quite direct >> in steering. >> Also has anybody just taken chains off and fly with no tailwheel steering? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297822#297822 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:26 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: just weighed N811WT From: thomas sargent I just weighed my RV-6A plane this morning. It is "completely finished", which is to say all fairings are installed and it is painted, ready to go. The total weight was 1076 lbs, which was about 50 more than I'd hoped. Although, I gather this is pretty typical for these planes. Van claims 985lbs. I can't imagine how you could reduce the weight 90 pounds. CG is quite good, though. It has a Catto wooden prop (only 17 lbs) and no vacuum system. It's not an IFR panel although I do have a Dynon D10A, VM1000 engine monitor, plus the usual airspeed, VSI, altimeter, Lift Reserve Indicator, an SL-30 radio and Garmin transponder. The AFP fuel injection is probably a bit heavier than a carburetor. The interior is a D.J. Lauritsen cloth interior which I think is light. Van's max gross is 1650. I gather (from just about everybody, including people who know what they are talking about) that this is a very conservative number. Am I correct that if I, as the builder, test the plane at, say 1700 lbs, that I can then placard it at 1700 max gross? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A nearly reay for first flight. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:18 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: just weighed N811WT The biggest variable (usually) is paint weight. Especially with 2-part urethanes. That 'professional' (I mean really good looking, not done by a professional) paint job comes with a weight penalty. And pick up a bolt of cloth if you think cloth is light! It's all relative. Oh yeah, there's also the accuracy of the weighing. ;-) Were you truly 'empty'? Engine oil??? No fuel??? Linn thomas sargent wrote: > I just weighed my RV-6A plane this morning. It is "completely > finished", which is to say all fairings are installed and it is > painted, ready to go. > > The total weight was 1076 lbs, which was about 50 more than I'd > hoped. Although, I gather this is pretty typical for these planes. > Van claims 985lbs. I can't imagine how you could reduce the weight 90 > pounds. CG is quite good, though. > > It has a Catto wooden prop (only 17 lbs) and no vacuum system. It's > not an IFR panel although I do have a Dynon D10A, VM1000 engine > monitor, plus the usual airspeed, VSI, altimeter, Lift Reserve > Indicator, an SL-30 radio and Garmin transponder. The AFP fuel > injection is probably a bit heavier than a carburetor. The interior > is a D.J. Lauritsen cloth interior which I think is light. > > Van's max gross is 1650. I gather (from just about everybody, > including people who know what they are talking about) that this is a > very conservative number. Am I correct that if I, as the builder, > test the plane at, say 1700 lbs, that I can then placard it at 1700 > max gross? > > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A nearly reay for first flight. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:00 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: just weighed N811WT Congrats...mine came in a bit heavier...but I know the reasons. I don't regret any one of them. You can placard it heavier - you're the manufacturer. Mine is placarded heavier - but I'll probably never see that since my phase I. Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: thomas sargent >Sent: May 18, 2010 4:33 PM >To: rv-list >Subject: RV-List: just weighed N811WT > >I just weighed my RV-6A plane this morning. It is "completely finished", >which is to say all fairings are installed and it is painted, ready to go. > >The total weight was 1076 lbs, which was about 50 more than I'd hoped. >Although, I gather this is pretty typical for these planes. Van claims >985lbs. I can't imagine how you could reduce the weight 90 pounds. CG is >quite good, though. > >It has a Catto wooden prop (only 17 lbs) and no vacuum system. It's not an >IFR panel although I do have a Dynon D10A, VM1000 engine monitor, plus the >usual airspeed, VSI, altimeter, Lift Reserve Indicator, an SL-30 radio and >Garmin transponder. The AFP fuel injection is probably a bit heavier than a >carburetor. The interior is a D.J. Lauritsen cloth interior which I think >is light. > >Van's max gross is 1650. I gather (from just about everybody, including >people who know what they are talking about) that this is a very >conservative number. Am I correct that if I, as the builder, test the >plane at, say 1700 lbs, that I can then placard it at 1700 max gross? > >-- >Tom Sargent, RV-6A nearly reay for first flight. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:47 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV-List: just weighed N811WT I seem to recall official empty weight includes oil but no fuel or windshield wiper fluid. Sent from my iPad Wahoo! On May 18, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Linn Walters wrote: The biggest variable (usually) is paint weight. Especially with 2-part urethanes. That 'professional' (I mean really good looking, not done by a professional) paint job comes with a weight penalty. And pick up a bolt of cloth if you think cloth is light! It's all relative. Oh yeah, there's also the accuracy of the weighing. ;-) Were you truly 'empty'? Engine oil??? No fuel??? Linn thomas sargent wrote: I just weighed my RV-6A plane this morning. It is "completely finished", which is to say all fairings are installed and it is painted, ready to go. The total weight was 1076 lbs, which was about 50 more than I'd hoped. Although, I gather this is pretty typical for these planes. Van claims 985lbs. I can't imagine how you could reduce the weight 90 pounds. CG is quite good, though. It has a Catto wooden prop (only 17 lbs) and no vacuum system. It's not an IFR panel although I do have a Dynon D10A, VM1000 engine monitor, plus the usual airspeed, VSI, altimeter, Lift Reserve Indicator, an SL-30 radio and Garmin transponder. The AFP fuel injection is probably a bit heavier than a carburetor. The interior is a D.J. Lauritsen cloth interior which I think is light. Van's max gross is 1650. I gather (from just about everybody, including people who know what they are talking about) that this is a very conservative number. Am I correct that if I, as the builder, test the plane at, say 1700 lbs, that I can then placard it at 1700 max gross? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A nearly reay for first flight. * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution * * * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:02 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket steering link From: "chris r" Thanks for the replies, I will try one and see how it goes, it would be good to get rid of the messy chains. chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298116#298116 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: just weighed N811WT From: thomas sargent The tanks were empty. There was 8 qt of oil. That is the "empty" weight, as they define it. CG came out about 1/2" behind the forward limit. Any passengers, fuel or baggage is going to move the CG aft, so I have plenty of margin there. That's obviously the way Van designed it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > I seem to recall official empty weight includes oil but no fuel or > windshield wiper fluid. > > Sent from my iPad > Wahoo! > > On May 18, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > The biggest variable (usually) is paint weight. Especially with 2-part > urethanes. That 'professional' (I mean really good looking, not done by a > professional) paint job comes with a weight penalty. And pick up a bolt of > cloth if you think cloth is light! It's all relative. > Oh yeah, there's also the accuracy of the weighing. ;-) > Were you truly 'empty'? Engine oil??? No fuel??? > Linn > > -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:15 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals From: "Matt Dralle" Holy cow!! Somebody's pressing on them too hard! :-) Matt Dralle ghinman(at)mts.net wrote: > Has anyone designed a better set of rear rudder pedals > for the > RV-8. > Mine have bent during landing when strong inputs were required. > I have the standard Van's rear pedals. > > -- > > George H. 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