---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/20/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:08 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 (mbick) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Mag Question (Bob) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Mag Question (R.C. Flyer) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Mag Question (Linn Walters) 5. 07:55 AM - Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast (Ken Brooks) 6. 12:34 PM - needs ride (gilbey69) 7. 01:35 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) 8. 01:46 PM - Re: needs ride (Eddy) 9. 02:09 PM - Re: needs ride (gilbey69) 10. 02:34 PM - What propeller was involved in accident? (Dale Ellis) 11. 03:24 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Darrell Reiley) 12. 03:55 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Kevin Horton) 13. 04:06 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (thomas sargent) 14. 06:12 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Darrell Reiley) 15. 06:56 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Bill Boyd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:18 AM PST US From: "mbick" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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Flyer) 10. 03:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Larry Bowen) 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Bill Boyd) 12. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Vanremog@aol.com) 13. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:18 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT This is not meant as a direct challenge to-reported empty weight claims m ade by an individual builder-but in my experience, I take most such repor ts with a healthy dose of skepticism.-Out of denial, people can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the morning. -In the certif ied world of production aviation, the only reliable and accurate measuremen t is derived from using-certified scales and because of cost, most RV bui lders do not use certified scales. -Everybody is not on the same page. Th e absolute worst-type scales are the so-called Ruggles scales-Aircraft Spruce sells.- Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with a lever type extension that acts as-a-multiplier. So inacc urate, when I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircra ft on and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each t ime.-There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end of the readings. -I ended up accepting-an average to satisfy completing that part of the documenting process.-I openly wonder how many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale measurement and then proudly tout how light th eir RV is!- Since that time, I weighed-my -8 using far more accurate di gital scales that our EAA Chapter invested in.- Just for grins, I did thr ee separate measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single poun d. Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is-about as accurate as you can get sho rt of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory standard: certified s cales.- - Rick Galati RV-6A RV8 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:53 AM PST US From: Tom Wright Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT Just currious Rick, how did the EAA scales compare with the Ruggles average weight? On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: > This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight > claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most > such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people > can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the > morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only > reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified > scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified > scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type scales are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. > Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with > a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when > I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on > and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each > time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end > of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy > completing that part of the documenting process. I openly wonder how > many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale measurement and then proudly tout how light their RV is! > Since that time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital > scales that our EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three > separate measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single > pound. Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales > but I am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you > can get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory standard: certified scales. > > Rick Galati > RV-6A > RV8 > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:58 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT We used Ruggles, then 6 months later used certified scales. In our case the certified was 50 lbs lighter!!! And of course more accurate. I agree the Ruggles are highly inaccurate and not very repetitive, and when you multiply by 2 for the moment arm, you are doubling the error! Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: > This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight > claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most > such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people > can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the > morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only > reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified > scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified > scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type > scales are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. > Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with > a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when > I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on > and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each > time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end > of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy > completing that part of the documenting process. > I openly wonder how many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale > measurement and then proudly tout how light their RV is! Since that > time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital scales that our > EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three separate > measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single pound. > Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I > am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you can > get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory > standard: certified scales. > > Rick Galati > RV-6A > RV8 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals From: Dale Ellis I think that he is talking about the rear pedals. In a strong gusty cross wind, I could see how they could be bent. Dale On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > Holy cow!! Somebody's pressing on them too hard! :-) > > Matt Dralle > > > ghinman(at)mts.net wrote: >> Has anyone designed a better set of rear rudder pedals for the RV-8. >> Mine have bent during landing when strong inputs were required. >> I have the standard Van's rear pedals. >> >> -- >> >> George H. Inman >> ghinman@mts.net > > > -------- > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298148#298148 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:29 AM PST US From: Darwin Barrie Subject: RV-List: Steering Link Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in minutes!!! www.jdair.com Darwin N. Barrie Chandler, AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: Re: RV-List: Steering Link Darwin... Along with your shameless plug... How about a shameless subjective comparison between jdair and "The Rocket Link"? I have the Rocket Link, but have not flown it yet. Reports that have surfaced here indicate a short life ~150 hours. Have you compiled data on cycles or hours? Always looking for better performance and value... Chris Stone RV-8 Oregon BTW Porter took off his Rocket Link in favor of Tail Lynx chains... But he also dinged the prop in a landing loss of directional control incident. > >Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of >planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of >those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. >Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. > >Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for >the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and >the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at >some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have >wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in >minutes!!! > >www.jdair.com > >Darwin N. Barrie >Chandler, AZ > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:23 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that this engine is available. He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have over 45,000 in the engine) If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. Tom "GummiBear" Gummo Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:58 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Fwd: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale From: Tom Gummo Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that this engine is available. He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have over 45,000 in the engine) If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. Tom "GummiBear" Gummo Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show * * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:51 PM PST US From: "R.C. Flyer" Subject: RV-List: Mag Question Group=2C I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System=2C which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The quest ion is what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an S 4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost apr oximately $550.00 to complete the Electroair System=2C and about the same t o repuild both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option=2C c ontact me off line. Your input is appreciated. RC _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox .. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question From: Larry Bowen Sounds like a pmag opportunity. __ Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: Group, I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. RC ------------------------------ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. * * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question From: Bill Boyd Absolutely ;-) Why do anything else? On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Larry Bowen wrote: > Sounds like a pmag opportunity. > > __ > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: > > Group, > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me > that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off > an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I > do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need > the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question is > what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 > on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately > $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild > both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags > for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me off > line. Your input is appreciated. > RC > > ------------------------------ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get > started. > > * > > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question I have an old impulse coupled mag for an O-360-A1A with 750 hrs on it that I would sell if it helps you in any way. -GV In a message dated 5/19/2010 3:10:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, smirdrv@hotmail.com writes: Group, I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. RC ____________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. _Get started._ (http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on to start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp Mooney. Work great. On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: > Group, > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed > me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine > came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off > the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition > System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from > the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my > ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and > S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to > complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both > mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the > mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, > contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. > RC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Get started. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:59 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question RC, I have a right mag with impulse coupling that I had overhauled (maybe around 1993 or 4?) with the intention of using it on my RV6 but never put it on. I did pull the gear off to put on the Jeff Rose electronic ignition I installed on the airplane. If interested, you can email me at: deerlake AT bresnan.net Bob Skinner >> >> >> Group, >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he >> informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse >> coupling. This engine came off an R-22, so apparently it used >> "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil >> section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need the >> mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The >> question is what options do I have to complete my ignition >> system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on >> the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to complete the >> Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both mags. The >> mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for >> an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact >> me off line. Your input is appreciated. >> RC >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >> your inbox. Get started. >> >> >> * >> >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * > > * > > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:06 AM PST US From: "R.C. Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Mag Question That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used Bendix Vibrator? R.C. > Date: Wed=2C 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 > From: kellym@aviating.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of > sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. > Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against > the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch=2C like the > certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on to > start=2C and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp > Mooney. Work great. > > > On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM=2C R.C. Flyer wrote: > > Group=2C > > > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he informed > > me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine > > came off an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light of f > > the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition > > System=2C which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from > > the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my > > ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and > > S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to > > complete the Electroair System=2C and about the same to repuild both > > mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the > > mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option=2C > > contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. > > RC > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your > > inbox. Get started. > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:45 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question Ahhhh, I think I'll just let the opportunity pass. Linn do not archive. R.C. Flyer wrote: > That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used > Bendix Vibrator? > R.C. > > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 > > From: kellym@aviating.com > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > > > > You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of > > sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. > > Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against > > the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the > > certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator > on to > > start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp > > Mooney. Work great. > > > > > > On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: > > > Group, > > > > > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed > > > me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine > > > came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light > off > > > the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition > > > System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from > > > the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to > complete my > > > ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and > > > S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to > > > complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both > > > mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the > > > mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, > > > contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. > > > RC > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > > > inbox. Get started. > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > >=================== > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with Hotmail. Get busy. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:15 AM PST US From: Ken Brooks Subject: RV-List: Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast If you're in the neighborhood of the Illinois-Wisconsin state line this Saturday, May 22nd, stop in for EAA Ch. 60's annual Spring Fling Pancake Breakfast, Fly-In and Auto Show, located at the Beloit, WI Airport (44C). We'll serve breakfast from 7 -11 and the weather forecast is great... sunny and a low of 60 in the morning and high of 78! To check the latest conditions, go to http://web.me.com/chapter60/eaa/Fly-In_Weather.html PIC of fly-in aircraft eat free, of course! Otherwise, Adults $6.00 Kids 5 - 11 $4.00 4 and under eat free! Do Not Archive Ken Brooks, Ch. 60 Secretary Slowest RV-8 Quickbuild in the Country (1997) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US From: "gilbey69" Subject: RV-List: needs ride hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 willing to give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in palm city that has never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my rv6a, but cannot find one in fla.to check out. I know that there is a bunch down there. If someone down that way could help this guy out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to this email with a way to contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a bunch. Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:04 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question Salvage places like Wentworth, or contact some magneto shops and see if they have some overhauled units. They used to cost around $300 new, now the price is escalating. On 5/20/2010 6:36 AM, R.C. Flyer wrote: > That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used > Bendix Vibrator? > R.C. > > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 > > From: kellym@aviating.com > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > > > > You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of > > sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. > > Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against > > the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the > > certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator > on to > > start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp > > Mooney. Work great. > > > > > > On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: > > > Group, > > > > > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed > > > me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine > > > came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light > off > > > the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition > > > System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from > > > the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to > complete my > > > ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and > > > S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to > > > complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both > > > mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the > > > mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, > > > contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. > > > RC > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > > > inbox. Get started. > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > >=================== > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with Hotmail. Get busy. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:09 PM PST US From: Eddy Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride I have a 9A in Ft. Lauderdale (60 miles South). I could fly up. EddyFernan@aol.com On May 20, 2010, at 3:32 PM, "gilbey69" wrote: > > hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 > willing to give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in > palm city that has never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my > rv6a, but cannot find one in fla.to check out. I know that there is > a bunch down there. If someone down that way could help this guy > out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to this email with a way to > contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a bunch. > > Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net > Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:56 PM PST US From: "gilbey69" Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride thanks eddy,I have flown a 9 and the two are comparable as fusalodge setup,and visibility,sure would land slower then the 6, if no 6as are available I will have him contact you. thanks for the help frank Goggio ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:39 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? From: Dale Ellis The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with a "3-bladed wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or near Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the sole occupant, received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage during a forced landing. Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" according to the report. The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller make and model this aircraft was equipped with? Thanks in advance, Dale RV-8 90/90 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:39 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. Darrell "do not archive" --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: > From: Dale Ellis > Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM > Dale Ellis > > The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with > a "3-bladed > wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or > near > Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the > sole occupant, > received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained > substantial damage > during a forced landing. > > Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" > according to the report. > > The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller > make and > model this aircraft was equipped with? > > Thanks in advance, > Dale > > RV-8 90/90 > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:55 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm not aware of any all wood three bladed props. Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that have have wood core blades covered with fibreglass. Kevin Horton On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > Darrell > > "do not archive" > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: > > >> From: Dale Ellis >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >> --> RV-List message posted by: >> Dale Ellis >> >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >> a "3-bladed >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >> near >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >> sole occupant, >> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >> substantial damage >> during a forced landing. >> >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >> according to the report. >> >> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >> make and >> model this aircraft was equipped with? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Dale >> >> RV-8 90/90 >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? From: thomas sargent Having a Catto 3-blade on my plane, I checked the stories and pictures I could find on the net to see the prop. It doesn't look like a Catto. Mine, is all black on the aft side. The one on N127TT was white near the root, and, from the video, it looks like it wasn't painted on the forward side, or at least it wasn't painted white. They commented that the prop was recently installed. see http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/05/lost-prop-in-mid-air-plane-crashes-in.html On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > Darrell > > > > The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with > > a "3-bladed > > > The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller > > make and > > model this aircraft was equipped with? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Dale > > > -- Tom Sargent ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:18 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? I would take it to be an install issue... -d- "do not archive" --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Kevin Horton wrote: > From: Kevin Horton > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 5:55 PM > Kevin Horton > > He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm > not aware of any all > wood three bladed props. > > Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that > have have wood core > blades covered with fibreglass. > > Kevin Horton > > On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > Reiley > > > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > > > Darrell > > > > "do not archive" > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Dale Ellis > >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in > accident? > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com, > rv8-list@matronics.com > >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM > >> Dale Ellis > >> > >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was > fitted with > >> a "3-bladed > >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in > flight at or > >> near > >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private > pilot, the > >> sole occupant, > >> received minor injuries and the aircraft > sustained > >> substantial damage > >> during a forced landing. > >> > >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor > injuries" > >> according to the report. > >> > >> The question that I have is does anyone know what > propeller > >> make and > >> model this aircraft was equipped with? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Dale > >> > >> RV-8 90/90 > >> > >> Forum - > >> FAQ, > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> > -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? From: Bill Boyd It's _currently_ equipped with a two-bladed wooden prop with the blades 120 > degrees apart instead of the standard 180. Shouldn't be too hard to track > down the manufacturer of such an unusual design. > I keed, I keed ;-) Glad the pilot is okay. For those of you flying 3-blade wooden designs, I feel your vague anxiety. 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