---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/21/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:13 AM - A ride from Pittsburgh to DuBois (ronald vandervort) 2. 12:36 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Jerry Calvert) 3. 03:23 PM - Re: A ride from Pittsburgh to DuBois (mr.gsun@gmail.com) 4. 04:03 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Dan Bergeron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:03 AM PST US From: ronald vandervort Subject: RV-List: A ride from Pittsburgh to DuBois Looking for a way to get from Pittsburgh airport to DuBois PA. airport. No date in mind. Hope to look at a 46 Chev truck in Rockton. It is about 100 SM. Ron Vandervort RV-6 1486 hrs On May 20, 2010, at 11:59 PM, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. 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Flyer) > 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Mag Question (Linn Walters) > 5. 07:55 AM - Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast (Ken Brooks) > 6. 12:34 PM - needs ride (gilbey69) > 7. 01:35 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) > 8. 01:46 PM - Re: needs ride (Eddy) > 9. 02:09 PM - Re: needs ride (gilbey69) > 10. 02:34 PM - What propeller was involved in accident? (Dale > Ellis) > 11. 03:24 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? > (Darrell Reiley) > 12. 03:55 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? > (Kevin Horton) > 13. 04:06 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? > (thomas sargent) > 14. 06:12 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? > (Darrell Reiley) > 15. 06:56 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? 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The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the > RV-List > Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or > with > a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter > 10-05-19&Archive=RV > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter > 2010-05-19&Archive=RV > > > ============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 05/19/10: 13 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:49 AM - Re: just weighed N811WT (Rick Galati) > 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: just weighed N811WT (Tom Wright) > 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: just weighed N811WT (Michael Kraus) > 4. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals (Dale Ellis) > 5. 06:43 AM - Steering Link (Darwin Barrie) > 6. 09:23 AM - Re: Steering Link (Chris Stone) > 7. 12:00 PM - AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale (Tom Gummo) > 8. 01:33 PM - Fw: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale (Kelly > McMullen) > 9. 03:09 PM - Mag Question (R.C. Flyer) > 10. 03:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Larry Bowen) > 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Bill Boyd) > 12. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Vanremog@aol.com) > 13. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:49:18 AM PST US > From: Rick Galati > Subject: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT > > This is not meant as a direct challenge to-reported empty weight > claims m > ade by an individual builder-but in my experience, I take most such > repor ts > with a healthy dose of skepticism.-Out of denial, people can fudge the > numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the morning. -In the > certif ied > world of production aviation, the only reliable and accurate > measuremen t is > derived from using-certified scales and because of cost, most RV bui > lders > do not use certified scales. -Everybody is not on the same page. Th e > absolute worst-type scales are the so-called Ruggles scales-Aircraft > Spruce > sells.- Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom > scales > with a lever type extension that acts as-a-multiplier. So inacc urate, > when > I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircra ft on > and > off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each t > ime.-There > was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end of the > readings. > -I ended up accepting-an average to satisfy completing that part of the > documenting process.-I openly wonder how many builders would use the > lowest > Ruggles scale measurement and then proudly tout how light th eir RV > is!- > Since that time, I weighed-my -8 using far more accurate di gital > scales > that our EAA Chapter invested in.- Just for grins, I did thr ee > separate > measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single poun d. > Still, > our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I am > satisfied > that my claim (1106 #) is-about as accurate as you can get sho rt of > shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory standard: certified s > cales.- > - > Rick Galati > RV-6A > RV8 > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:59:53 AM PST US > From: Tom Wright > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT > > Just currious Rick, how did the EAA scales compare with the Ruggles > average > weight? > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: > >> This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight >> claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most >> such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people >> can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the >> morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only >> reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified >> scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified >> scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type >> scales > are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. >> Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with >> a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when >> I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on >> and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each >> time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end >> of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy >> completing that part of the documenting process. I openly wonder how >> many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale measurement and then > proudly tout how light their RV is! >> Since that time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital >> scales that our EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three >> separate measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single >> pound. Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales >> but I am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you >> can get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory >> standard: > certified scales. >> >> Rick Galati >> RV-6A >> RV8 >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:24:58 AM PST US > From: Michael Kraus > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT > > We used Ruggles, then 6 months later used certified scales. In our > case the > certified was 50 lbs lighter!!! And of course more accurate. I agree > the > Ruggles are highly inaccurate and not very repetitive, and when you > multiply > by 2 for the moment arm, you are doubling the error! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 19, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: > >> This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight >> claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most >> such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people >> can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the >> morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only >> reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified >> scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified >> scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type >> scales are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. >> Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with >> a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when >> I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on >> and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each >> time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end >> of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy >> completing that part of the documenting process. >> I openly wonder how many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale >> measurement and then proudly tout how light their RV is! Since that >> time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital scales that our >> EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three separate >> measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single pound. >> Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I >> am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you can >> get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory >> standard: certified scales. >> >> Rick Galati >> RV-6A >> RV8 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:00:22 AM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals > From: Dale Ellis > > > I think that he is talking about the rear pedals. In a strong gusty > cross > wind, I could see how they could be bent. > > Dale > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Matt Dralle > wrote: >> >> Holy cow!! Somebody's pressing on them too hard! :-) >> >> Matt Dralle >> >> >> ghinman(at)mts.net wrote: >>> Has anyone designed a better set of rear rudder pedals for the RV-8. >>> Mine have bent during landing when strong inputs were required. >>> I have the standard Van's rear pedals. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> George H. Inman >>> ghinman@mts.net >> >> >> -------- >> Matt Dralle >> Matronics Email List Administrator >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298148#298148 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:43:29 AM PST US > From: Darwin Barrie > Subject: RV-List: Steering Link > > > Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of > planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of > those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. > Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. > > Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for > the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and > the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at > some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have > wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in > minutes!!! > > www.jdair.com > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler, AZ > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US > From: Chris Stone > Subject: Re: RV-List: Steering Link > > > Darwin... > > Along with your shameless plug... How about a shameless subjective > comparison > between jdair and "The Rocket Link"? I have the Rocket Link, but have > not > flown > it yet. Reports that have surfaced here indicate a short life ~150 > hours. > > Have you compiled data on cycles or hours? > > Always looking for better performance and value... > > Chris Stone > RV-8 Oregon > > BTW Porter took off his Rocket Link in favor of Tail Lynx chains... > But he > also > dinged the prop in a landing loss of directional control incident. > > >> >> Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of >> planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of >> those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. >> Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. >> >> Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for >> the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and >> the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at >> some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have >> wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in >> minutes!!! >> >> www.jdair.com >> >> Darwin N. Barrie >> Chandler, AZ >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:00:23 PM PST US > From: "Tom Gummo" > Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale > > Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike > Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. > > 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI > pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. > > I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that > this engine is available. > > He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have > over 45,000 in the engine) > > If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description > of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. > > The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and > is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. > > Tom "GummiBear" Gummo > Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling > Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:33:58 PM PST US > From: Kelly McMullen > Subject: Fwd: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale > From: Tom Gummo > > > > Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike > Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. > 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI > pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. > I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that > this engine is available. > He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have > over 45,000 in the engine) > If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description > of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. > The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and > is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. > Tom "GummiBear" Gummo > Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling > Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show > > * > > > * > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:09:51 PM PST US > From: "R.C. Flyer" > Subject: RV-List: Mag Question > > > Group=2C > > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he > informed me > that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came > off > an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the > engine. > I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System=2C which > would > need the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The > quest > ion is what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have > an S > 4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would > cost apr > oximately $550.00 to complete the Electroair System=2C and about the > same t > o repuild both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading > one > of the mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that > option=2C c > ontact me off line. Your input is appreciated. > > RC > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your > inbox > .. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T: > WLMTAGL:O > N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:57:27 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > From: Larry Bowen > > Sounds like a pmag opportunity. > > __ > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: > > Group, > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed > me > that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came > off > an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the > engine. I > do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would > need > the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The > question is > what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an > S4LSC-200 > on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost > aproximately > $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to > repuild > both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of > the mags > for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me > off > line. Your input is appreciated. > RC > > ------------------------------ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > Get > started. ocid=PID28326::T:WLM > TAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:57:19 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > From: Bill Boyd > > Absolutely ;-) Why do anything else? > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Larry Bowen > wrote: > >> Sounds like a pmag opportunity. >> >> __ >> Larry Bowen >> Larry@BowenAero.com >> http://BowenAero.com >> >> On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: >> >> Group, >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >> me >> that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >> came off >> an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the >> engine. > I >> do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would > need >> the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The >> question > is >> what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an > S4LSC-200 >> on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost >> aproximately >> $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to >> repuild >> both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of >> the > mags >> for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact >> me off >> line. Your input is appreciated. >> RC >> >> ------------------------------ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. > Get >> > started. ocid=PID28326::T:WLM > TAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >> * >> >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US > From: Vanremog@aol.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > I have an old impulse coupled mag for an O-360-A1A with 750 hrs on it > that > I would sell if it helps you in any way. > > -GV > > > In a message dated 5/19/2010 3:10:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > smirdrv@hotmail.com writes: > > Group, > > I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me > that > neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off > an > R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the > engine. I do > > have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would > need > the > mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question > is > what > options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an > S4LSC-200 > on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost > aproximately > $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to > repuild > both > > mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the > mags > for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact > me off > line. Your input is appreciated. > RC > > > ____________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > _Get started._ > (http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T: > WLMTAGL:ON: > WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3) > > > (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) > (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US > From: Kelly McMullen > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of > sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. > Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against > the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the > certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on > to > start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp > Mooney. Work great. > > > On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >> Group, >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off >> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my >> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >> RC >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. Get started. >> > WLMTAGL:ON: > WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:39:59 AM PST US > From: Bob > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > RC, > > I have a right mag with impulse coupling that I had overhauled (maybe > around 1993 or 4?) with the intention of using it on my RV6 but never > put it on. I did pull the gear off to put on the Jeff Rose electronic > ignition I installed on the airplane. > > If interested, you can email me at: deerlake AT bresnan.net > > Bob Skinner > > >>> >>> >>> Group, >>> >>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he >>> informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse >>> coupling. This engine came off an R-22, so apparently it used >>> "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil >>> section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need the >>> mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The >>> question is what options do I have to complete my ignition >>> system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on >>> the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to complete the >>> Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both mags. The >>> mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for >>> an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact >>> me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>> RC >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>> your inbox. Get started. >>> >>> >> WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >>> >>> * >>> >>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:40:06 AM PST US > From: "R.C. Flyer" > Subject: RE: RV-List: Mag Question > > > That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used > Bendix > Vibrator? > > R.C. > >> Date: Wed=2C 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >> From: kellym@aviating.com >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse >> couplings. >> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against >> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch=2C like >> the > >> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on >> to > >> start=2C and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >> Mooney. Work great. >> >> >> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM=2C R.C. Flyer wrote: >>> Group=2C >>> >>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he informed >>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>> came off an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light >>> of > f >>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>> System=2C which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete >>> my > >>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and >>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>> complete the Electroair System=2C and about the same to repuild both >>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option=2C >>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>> RC >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- > - >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. Get started. >>> AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with H > otmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid > PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:49:45 AM PST US > From: Linn Walters > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > Ahhhh, I think I'll just let the opportunity pass. > Linn > do not archive. > > R.C. Flyer wrote: >> That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used >> Bendix Vibrator? >> R.C. >> >>> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >>> From: kellym@aviating.com >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >>> >>> >>> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >>> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse >>> couplings. >>> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs >>> against >>> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like >>> the >>> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator >> on to >>> start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >>> Mooney. Work great. >>> >>> >>> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >>>> Group, >>>> >>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >>>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>>> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light >> off >>>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>>> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to >> complete my >>>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >>>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>>> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >>>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >>>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>> RC >>>> >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. Get started. >>>> >> > WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>> ================== >>> >>> >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars >> with Hotmail. Get busy. >> > tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP: >> 042010_5> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:55:15 AM PST US > From: Ken Brooks > Subject: RV-List: Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast > > > If you're in the neighborhood of the Illinois-Wisconsin state line > this Saturday, May 22nd, stop in for EAA Ch. 60's annual Spring Fling > Pancake Breakfast, Fly-In and Auto Show, located at the Beloit, WI > Airport (44C). We'll serve breakfast from 7 -11 and the weather > forecast is great... sunny and a low of 60 in the morning and high of > 78! To check the latest conditions, go to > http://web.me.com/chapter60/eaa/Fly-In_Weather.html > > PIC of fly-in aircraft eat free, of course! > Otherwise, Adults $6.00 > Kids 5 - 11 $4.00 > 4 and under eat free! > > Do Not Archive > > Ken Brooks, Ch. 60 Secretary > Slowest RV-8 Quickbuild in the Country (1997) > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US > From: "gilbey69" > Subject: RV-List: needs ride > > > hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 willing > to > give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in palm city that > has > never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my rv6a, but cannot find > one in > fla.to check out. I know that there is a bunch down there. If > someone down > that way could help this guy out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to > this > email with a way to contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a > bunch. > > Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net > Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:35:04 PM PST US > From: Kelly McMullen > Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question > > > Salvage places like Wentworth, or contact some magneto shops and see if > they have some overhauled units. They used to cost around $300 new, now > the price is escalating. > > > On 5/20/2010 6:36 AM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >> That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used >> Bendix Vibrator? >> R.C. >> >>> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >>> From: kellym@aviating.com >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >>> >>> >>> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >>> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse >>> couplings. >>> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs >>> against >>> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like >>> the >>> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator >> on to >>> start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >>> Mooney. Work great. >>> >>> >>> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >>>> Group, >>>> >>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >>>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>>> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light >> off >>>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>>> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to >> complete my >>>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >>>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>>> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >>>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >>>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>> RC >>>> >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. Get started. >>>> >> > WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>> ================== >>> >>> >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars >> with Hotmail. Get busy. >> > tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP: >> 042010_5> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:46:09 PM PST US > From: Eddy > Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride > > > I have a 9A in Ft. Lauderdale (60 miles South). I could fly up. > > EddyFernan@aol.com > > On May 20, 2010, at 3:32 PM, "gilbey69" wrote: > >> >> hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 >> willing to give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in >> palm city that has never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my >> rv6a, but cannot find one in fla.to check out. I know that there is >> a bunch down there. If someone down that way could help this guy >> out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to this email with a way to >> contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a bunch. >> >> Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net >> Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:09:56 PM PST US > From: "gilbey69" > Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride > > > thanks eddy,I have flown a 9 and the two are comparable as fusalodge > setup,and visibility,sure would land slower then the 6, > if no 6as are available I will have him contact you. thanks for the > help > frank Goggio > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:34:39 PM PST US > Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > From: Dale Ellis > > > The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with a "3-bladed > wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or near > Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the sole occupant, > received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage > during a forced landing. > > Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" according to the > report. > > The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller make and > model this aircraft was equipped with? > > Thanks in advance, > Dale > > RV-8 90/90 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:24:39 PM PST US > From: Darrell Reiley > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > Darrell > > "do not archive" > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: > >> From: Dale Ellis >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >> Dale Ellis >> >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >> a "3-bladed >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >> near >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >> sole occupant, >> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >> substantial damage >> during a forced landing. >> >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >> according to the report. >> >> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >> make and >> model this aircraft was equipped with? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Dale >> >> RV-8 90/90 >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:55:55 PM PST US > From: Kevin Horton > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > > > He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm not aware of any all > wood three bladed props. > > Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that have have wood core > blades covered with fibreglass. > > Kevin Horton > > On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell >> Reiley >> >> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >> >> Darrell >> >> "do not archive" >> >> >> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: >> >> >>> From: Dale Ellis >>> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >>> --> RV-List message posted by: >>> Dale Ellis >>> >>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >>> a "3-bladed >>> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >>> near >>> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >>> sole occupant, >>> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >>> substantial damage >>> during a forced landing. >>> >>> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >>> according to the report. >>> >>> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >>> make and >>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dale >>> >>> RV-8 90/90 >>> >>> Forum - >>> FAQ, >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt >>> Dralle, List Admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:06:41 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > From: thomas sargent > > Having a Catto 3-blade on my plane, I checked the stories and pictures > I > could find on the net to see the prop. It doesn't look like a Catto. > Mine, > is all black on the aft side. The one on N127TT was white near the > root, > and, from the video, it looks like it wasn't painted on the forward > side, or > at least it wasn't painted white. They commented that the prop was > recently > installed. > > see > http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/05/lost-prop-in-mid-air-plane- > crashes-in.html > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Darrell Reiley > wrote: > >> >> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >> >> Darrell >> >> >>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >>> a "3-bladed >> >>> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >>> make and >>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dale >>> >> > > -- > Tom Sargent > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:12:18 PM PST US > From: Darrell Reiley > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > > > I would take it to be an install issue... > > -d- > > "do not archive" > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Kevin Horton wrote: > >> From: Kevin Horton >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 5:55 PM >> Kevin Horton >> >> He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm >> not aware of any all >> wood three bladed props. >> >> Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that >> have have wood core >> blades covered with fibreglass. >> >> Kevin Horton >> >> On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: >> Reiley >>> >>> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >>> >>> Darrell >>> >>> "do not archive" >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Dale Ellis >>>> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in >> accident? >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com, >> rv8-list@matronics.com >>>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >>>> Dale Ellis >>>> >>>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was >> fitted with >>>> a "3-bladed >>>> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in >> flight at or >>>> near >>>> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private >> pilot, the >>>> sole occupant, >>>> received minor injuries and the aircraft >> sustained >>>> substantial damage >>>> during a forced landing. >>>> >>>> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor >> injuries" >>>> according to the report. >>>> >>>> The question that I have is does anyone know what >> propeller >>>> make and >>>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Dale >>>> >>>> RV-8 90/90 >>>> >>>> Forum - >>>> FAQ, >>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>> List Contribution Web Site - >>>> >> -Matt >>>> Dralle, List Admin. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:56:42 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > From: Bill Boyd > > It's _currently_ equipped with a two-bladed wooden prop with the > blades 120 >> degrees apart instead of the standard 180. Shouldn't be too hard to >> track >> down the manufacturer of such an unusual design. >> > > I keed, I keed ;-) > > Glad the pilot is okay. > > For those of you flying 3-blade wooden designs, I feel your vague > anxiety. > > BB > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:26 PM PST US From: "Jerry Calvert" Subject: RE: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? Here's a video. Appears to be all wood. http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-prague-plane-crash-story,0,7626847. story Jerry Calvert RV6 N296JC Edmond OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:55 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm not aware of any all wood three bladed props. Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that have have wood core blades covered with fibreglass. Kevin Horton On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > Darrell > > "do not archive" > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: > > >> From: Dale Ellis >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >> --> RV-List message posted by: >> Dale Ellis >> >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >> a "3-bladed >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >> near >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >> sole occupant, >> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >> substantial damage >> during a forced landing. >> >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >> according to the report. >> >> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >> make and >> model this aircraft was equipped with? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Dale >> >> RV-8 90/90 >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: A ride from Pittsburgh to DuBois From: mr.gsun@gmail.com I thought you had an old chevy truck.... Oh, right, that's now a stage for the band. I forgot. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:17 AM, ronald vandervort wrote: > > Looking for a way to get from Pittsburgh airport to DuBois PA. airport. No > date in mind. Hope to look at a 46 Chev truck in Rockton. It is about 100 > SM. > Ron Vandervort RV-6 1486 hrs > On May 20, 2010, at 11:59 PM, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > > * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >> of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-05-20&Archive=RV >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-05-20&Archive=RV >> >> >> =============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> =============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> RV-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Thu 05/20/10: 15 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 06:08 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 (mbick) >> 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Mag Question (Bob) >> 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Mag Question (R.C. Flyer) >> 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Mag Question (Linn Walters) >> 5. 07:55 AM - Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast (Ken Brooks) >> 6. 12:34 PM - needs ride (gilbey69) >> 7. 01:35 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) >> 8. 01:46 PM - Re: needs ride (Eddy) >> 9. 02:09 PM - Re: needs ride (gilbey69) >> 10. 02:34 PM - What propeller was involved in accident? (Dale Ellis) >> 11. 03:24 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Darrell >> Reiley) >> 12. 03:55 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Kevin >> Horton) >> 13. 04:06 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (thomas >> sargent) >> 14. 06:12 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Darrell >> Reiley) >> 15. 06:56 PM - Re: What propeller was involved in accident? (Bill >> Boyd) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:08:18 AM PST US >> From: "mbick" >> Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest >> Server >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:59 AM >> Subject: RV-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 05/19/10 >> >> * >> >> ================================================ >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================ >> >> Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web >> Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML >> for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and >> Message >> Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List >> Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or >> with >> a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter >> 10-05-19&Archive=RV >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter >> 2010-05-19&Archive=RV >> >> >> ============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> ============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> RV-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Wed 05/19/10: 13 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 04:49 AM - Re: just weighed N811WT (Rick Galati) >> 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: just weighed N811WT (Tom Wright) >> 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: just weighed N811WT (Michael Kraus) >> 4. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals (Dale Ellis) >> 5. 06:43 AM - Steering Link (Darwin Barrie) >> 6. 09:23 AM - Re: Steering Link (Chris Stone) >> 7. 12:00 PM - AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale (Tom Gummo) >> 8. 01:33 PM - Fw: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale (Kelly >> McMullen) >> 9. 03:09 PM - Mag Question (R.C. Flyer) >> 10. 03:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Larry Bowen) >> 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Mag Question (Bill Boyd) >> 12. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Vanremog@aol.com) >> 13. 07:42 PM - Re: Mag Question (Kelly McMullen) >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 04:49:18 AM PST US >> From: Rick Galati >> Subject: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT >> >> This is not meant as a direct challenge to-reported empty weight claims m >> ade by an individual builder-but in my experience, I take most such repor >> ts >> with a healthy dose of skepticism.-Out of denial, people can fudge the >> numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the morning. -In the certif >> ied >> world of production aviation, the only reliable and accurate measuremen t >> is >> derived from using-certified scales and because of cost, most RV bui lders >> do not use certified scales. -Everybody is not on the same page. Th e >> absolute worst-type scales are the so-called Ruggles scales-Aircraft >> Spruce >> sells.- Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales >> with a lever type extension that acts as-a-multiplier. So inacc urate, >> when >> I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircra ft on and >> off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each t >> ime.-There >> was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end of the >> readings. >> -I ended up accepting-an average to satisfy completing that part of the >> documenting process.-I openly wonder how many builders would use the >> lowest >> Ruggles scale measurement and then proudly tout how light th eir RV is!- >> Since that time, I weighed-my -8 using far more accurate di gital scales >> that our EAA Chapter invested in.- Just for grins, I did thr ee separate >> measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single poun d. Still, >> our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I am >> satisfied >> that my claim (1106 #) is-about as accurate as you can get sho rt of >> shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory standard: certified s >> cales.- >> - >> Rick Galati >> RV-6A >> RV8 >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 04:59:53 AM PST US >> From: Tom Wright >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT >> >> Just currious Rick, how did the EAA scales compare with the Ruggles >> average >> weight? >> >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: >> >> This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight >>> claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most >>> such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people >>> can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the >>> morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only >>> reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified >>> scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified >>> scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type >>> scales >>> >> are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. >> >>> Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with >>> a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when >>> I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on >>> and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each >>> time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end >>> of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy >>> completing that part of the documenting process. I openly wonder how >>> many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale measurement and then >>> >> proudly tout how light their RV is! >> >>> Since that time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital >>> scales that our EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three >>> separate measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single >>> pound. Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales >>> but I am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you >>> can get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory >>> standard: >>> >> certified scales. >> >>> >>> Rick Galati >>> RV-6A >>> RV8 >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 05:24:58 AM PST US >> From: Michael Kraus >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: just weighed N811WT >> >> We used Ruggles, then 6 months later used certified scales. In our case >> the >> certified was 50 lbs lighter!!! And of course more accurate. I agree the >> Ruggles are highly inaccurate and not very repetitive, and when you >> multiply >> by 2 for the moment arm, you are doubling the error! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 19, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Rick Galati wrote: >> >> This is not meant as a direct challenge to reported empty weight >>> claims made by an individual builder but in my experience, I take most >>> such reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Out of denial, people >>> can fudge the numbers when they get on a bathroom scale in the >>> morning. In the certified world of production aviation, the only >>> reliable and accurate measurement is derived from using certified >>> scales and because of cost, most RV builders do not use certified >>> scales. Everybody is not on the same page. The absolute worst type >>> scales are the so-called Ruggles scales Aircraft Spruce sells. >>> Relatively inexpensive, they are little more than bathroom scales with >>> a lever type extension that acts as a multiplier. So inaccurate, when >>> I weighed my -6A using Ruggles scales, I had to move the aircraft on >>> and off the scales TEN TIMES because I got a different reading each >>> time. There was a 40 pound spread between the high end and the low end >>> of the readings. I ended up accepting an average to satisfy >>> completing that part of the documenting process. >>> I openly wonder how many builders would use the lowest Ruggles scale >>> measurement and then proudly tout how light their RV is! Since that >>> time, I weighed my -8 using far more accurate digital scales that our >>> EAA Chapter invested in. Just for grins, I did three separate >>> measurements and the total weight did not vary by a single pound. >>> Still, our EAA Chapter approved scales are not certified scales but I >>> am satisfied that my claim (1106 #) is about as accurate as you can >>> get short of shelling out $100 or more to use the regulatory >>> standard: certified scales. >>> >>> Rick Galati >>> RV-6A >>> RV8 >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 4 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:00:22 AM PST US >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-8 Rear Rudder pedlals >> From: Dale Ellis >> >> >> I think that he is talking about the rear pedals. In a strong gusty cross >> wind, I could see how they could be bent. >> >> Dale >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Matt Dralle >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Holy cow!! Somebody's pressing on them too hard! :-) >>> >>> Matt Dralle >>> >>> >>> ghinman(at)mts.net wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone designed a better set of rear rudder pedals for the RV-8. >>>> Mine have bent during landing when strong inputs were required. >>>> I have the standard Van's rear pedals. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> George H. Inman >>>> ghinman@mts.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------- >>> Matt Dralle >>> Matronics Email List Administrator >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298148#298148 >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:43:29 AM PST US >> From: Darwin Barrie >> Subject: RV-List: Steering Link >> >> >> Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of >> planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of >> those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. >> Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. >> >> Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for >> the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and >> the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at >> some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have >> wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in >> minutes!!! >> >> www.jdair.com >> >> Darwin N. Barrie >> Chandler, AZ >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US >> From: Chris Stone >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Steering Link >> >> >> Darwin... >> >> Along with your shameless plug... How about a shameless subjective >> comparison >> between jdair and "The Rocket Link"? I have the Rocket Link, but have not >> flown >> it yet. Reports that have surfaced here indicate a short life ~150 hours. >> >> Have you compiled data on cycles or hours? >> >> Always looking for better performance and value... >> >> Chris Stone >> RV-8 Oregon >> >> BTW Porter took off his Rocket Link in favor of Tail Lynx chains... But >> he >> also >> dinged the prop in a landing loss of directional control incident. >> >> >> >>> Shameless plug. Check out our steering linking for the RV series of >>> planes. The link is light and easy to install. You can get rid of >>> those pesky chains and get very positive steering in each direction. >>> Once you experience a steering link, you can never go back to chains. >>> >>> Also, a must have is our pedal extensions for the 6/7/9 and soon for >>> the 8 and 10. The extensions improve the geometry between you feet and >>> the brakes. You will no longer drag your brakes or have your feet at >>> some unnatural angle to avoid the brakes. Those who have them have >>> wondered how they flew without them. The extensions install in >>> minutes!!! >>> >>> www.jdair.com >>> >>> Darwin N. Barrie >>> Chandler, AZ >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 12:00:23 PM PST US >> From: "Tom Gummo" >> Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale >> >> Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike >> Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. >> >> 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI >> pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. >> >> I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that >> this engine is available. >> >> He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have >> over 45,000 in the engine) >> >> If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description >> of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. >> >> The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and >> is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. >> >> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo >> Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling >> Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show >> >> ________________________________ Message 8 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 01:33:58 PM PST US >> From: Kelly McMullen >> Subject: Fwd: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: RV-List: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale >> From: Tom Gummo >> >> >> >> Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike >> Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. >> 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI >> pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. >> I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that >> this engine is available. >> He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have >> over 45,000 in the engine) >> If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description >> of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. >> The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and >> is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. >> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo >> Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling >> Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 03:09:51 PM PST US >> From: "R.C. Flyer" >> Subject: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> Group=2C >> >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he informed me >> that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off >> an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the >> engine. >> I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System=2C which >> would >> need the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The >> quest >> ion is what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an >> S >> 4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost >> apr >> oximately $550.00 to complete the Electroair System=2C and about the same >> t >> o repuild both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one >> of the mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option=2C >> c >> ontact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >> >> RC >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your >> inbox >> .. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O >> N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 03:57:27 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> From: Larry Bowen >> >> Sounds like a pmag opportunity. >> >> __ >> Larry Bowen >> Larry@BowenAero.com >> http://BowenAero.com >> >> On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: >> >> Group, >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me >> that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off >> an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. >> I >> do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would >> need >> the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question >> is >> what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an >> S4LSC-200 >> on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately >> $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild >> both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >> mags >> for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me off >> line. Your input is appreciated. >> RC >> >> ------------------------------ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >> Get >> started.< >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLM >> TAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> ________________________________ Message 11 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:57:19 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> From: Bill Boyd >> >> Absolutely ;-) Why do anything else? >> >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Larry Bowen wrote: >> >> Sounds like a pmag opportunity. >>> >>> __ >>> Larry Bowen >>> Larry@BowenAero.com >>> http://BowenAero.com >>> >>> On May 19, 2010 6:11 PM, "R.C. Flyer" wrote: >>> >>> Group, >>> >>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me >>> that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came >>> off >>> an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. >>> >> I >> >>> do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would >>> >> need >> >>> the mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question >>> >> is >> >>> what options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an >>> >> S4LSC-200 >> >>> on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately >>> $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild >>> both mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>> >> mags >> >>> for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me >>> off >>> line. Your input is appreciated. >>> RC >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> >> Get >> >>> >>> started.< >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLM >> TAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >>> >>> * >>> >>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 12 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US >> From: Vanremog@aol.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> I have an old impulse coupled mag for an O-360-A1A with 750 hrs on it that >> I would sell if it helps you in any way. >> >> -GV >> >> >> In a message dated 5/19/2010 3:10:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> smirdrv@hotmail.com writes: >> >> Group, >> >> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed me that >> neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine came off an >> R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I >> do >> >> have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need >> the >> mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The question is >> what >> options do I have to complete my ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 >> on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately >> $550.00 to complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild >> both >> >> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags >> for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact me >> off >> line. Your input is appreciated. >> RC >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >> _Get started._ >> ( >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON >> : >> WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3) >> >> >> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) >> (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 13 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:42:33 PM PST US >> From: Kelly McMullen >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. >> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against >> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the >> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on to >> start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >> Mooney. Work great. >> >> >> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >> >>> Group, >>> >>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light off >>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my >>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>> RC >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. Get started. >>> >>> < >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON >> : >> WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:39:59 AM PST US >> From: Bob >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> RC, >> >> I have a right mag with impulse coupling that I had overhauled (maybe >> around 1993 or 4?) with the intention of using it on my RV6 but never >> put it on. I did pull the gear off to put on the Jeff Rose electronic >> ignition I installed on the airplane. >> >> If interested, you can email me at: deerlake AT bresnan.net >> >> Bob Skinner >> >> >> >>>> >>>> Group, >>>> >>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he >>>> informed me that neither one of my mags have an impulse >>>> coupling. This engine came off an R-22, so apparently it used >>>> "shower of sparks to light off the engine. I do have the coil >>>> section of an Electroair Ignition System, which would need the >>>> mag replacement portion purchased from the manufacture. The >>>> question is what options do I have to complete my ignition >>>> system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and S4SLC-204T on >>>> the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to complete the >>>> Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both mags. The >>>> mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the mags for >>>> an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, contact >>>> me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>> RC >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>>> your inbox. Get started. >>>> < >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>>> > >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:40:06 AM PST US >> From: "R.C. Flyer" >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used Bendix >> Vibrator? >> >> R.C. >> >> Date: Wed=2C 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >>> From: kellym@aviating.com >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >>> >>> >>> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >>> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. >>> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against >>> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch=2C like the >>> >> >> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator on to >>> >> >> start=2C and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >>> Mooney. Work great. >>> >>> >>> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM=2C R.C. Flyer wrote: >>> >>>> Group=2C >>>> >>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C=2C and he informed >>>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>>> came off an R-22=2C so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light of >>>> >>> f >> >>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>>> System=2C which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to complete my >>>> >>> >> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side=2C and >>>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>>> complete the Electroair System=2C and about the same to repuild both >>>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option=2C >>>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>> RC >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>> - >> >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. Get started. >>>> >>> >>> AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> >> >>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>> >>> ========== >> ========== >> ========== >> ========== >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with >> H >> otmail. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid >> PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:49:45 AM PST US >> From: Linn Walters >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> Ahhhh, I think I'll just let the opportunity pass. >> Linn >> do not archive. >> >> R.C. Flyer wrote: >> >>> That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used >>> Bendix Vibrator? >>> R.C. >>> >>> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >>>> From: kellym@aviating.com >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >>>> >>>> >>>> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >>>> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. >>>> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against >>>> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the >>>> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator >>>> >>> on to >>> >>>> start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >>>> Mooney. Work great. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Group, >>>>> >>>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >>>>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>>>> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light >>>>> >>>> off >>> >>>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>>>> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>>>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to >>>>> >>>> complete my >>> >>>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >>>>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>>>> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >>>>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>>>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >>>>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>>> RC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>> inbox. Get started. >>>>> >>>>> < >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>> > >>> >>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> ================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars >>> with Hotmail. Get busy. >>> < >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 >>> > >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:55:15 AM PST US >> From: Ken Brooks >> Subject: RV-List: Chapter 60 Fly-In Pancake Breakfast >> >> >> If you're in the neighborhood of the Illinois-Wisconsin state line >> this Saturday, May 22nd, stop in for EAA Ch. 60's annual Spring Fling >> Pancake Breakfast, Fly-In and Auto Show, located at the Beloit, WI >> Airport (44C). We'll serve breakfast from 7 -11 and the weather >> forecast is great... sunny and a low of 60 in the morning and high of >> 78! To check the latest conditions, go to >> http://web.me.com/chapter60/eaa/Fly-In_Weather.html >> >> PIC of fly-in aircraft eat free, of course! >> Otherwise, Adults $6.00 >> Kids 5 - 11 $4.00 >> 4 and under eat free! >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> Ken Brooks, Ch. 60 Secretary >> Slowest RV-8 Quickbuild in the Country (1997) >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US >> From: "gilbey69" >> Subject: RV-List: needs ride >> >> >> hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 willing to >> give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in palm city that has >> never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my rv6a, but cannot find one >> in >> fla.to check out. I know that there is a bunch down there. If someone >> down >> that way could help this guy out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to >> this >> email with a way to contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a >> bunch. >> >> Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net >> Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 01:35:04 PM PST US >> From: Kelly McMullen >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >> >> >> Salvage places like Wentworth, or contact some magneto shops and see if >> they have some overhauled units. They used to cost around $300 new, now >> the price is escalating. >> >> >> On 5/20/2010 6:36 AM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >> >>> That sounds great! What is a good resource for locating a good used >>> Bendix Vibrator? >>> R.C. >>> >>> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:41:54 -0700 >>>> From: kellym@aviating.com >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mag Question >>>> >>>> >>>> You should be able to find a Bendix vibrator used. IMHO the shower of >>>> sparks system is more reliable and trouble free than impulse couplings. >>>> Most impulse coupling mags at one time or another have had ADs against >>>> the impulse coupler. You don't need a special ignition switch, like the >>>> certified planes do. You just need to be able to turn the vibrator >>>> >>> on to >>> >>>> start, and off after start. I have the same model mags on my 200hp >>>> Mooney. Work great. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/19/2010 3:08 PM, R.C. Flyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Group, >>>>> >>>>> I just had an A & P take a look @ my O-320-B2C, and he informed >>>>> me that neither one of my mags have an impulse coupling. This engine >>>>> came off an R-22, so apparently it used "shower of sparks to light >>>>> >>>> off >>> >>>> the engine. I do have the coil section of an Electroair Ignition >>>>> System, which would need the mag replacement portion purchased from >>>>> the manufacture. The question is what options do I have to >>>>> >>>> complete my >>> >>>> ignition system? I have an S4LSC-200 on the Left Side, and >>>>> S4SLC-204T on the Right. It would cost aproximately $550.00 to >>>>> complete the Electroair System, and about the same to repuild both >>>>> mags. The mechanic suggested the possibility of trading one of the >>>>> mags for an impulse mag. If anyone is interested in that option, >>>>> contact me off line. Your input is appreciated. >>>>> RC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>> inbox. Get started. >>>>> >>>>> < >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>> > >>> >>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> ================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars >>> with Hotmail. Get busy. >>> < >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 >>> > >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 8 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 01:46:09 PM PST US >> From: Eddy >> Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride >> >> >> I have a 9A in Ft. Lauderdale (60 miles South). I could fly up. >> >> EddyFernan@aol.com >> >> On May 20, 2010, at 3:32 PM, "gilbey69" wrote: >> >> >>> hi rv:ers, anybody in the Palm City,Fla. area with a rv6a or 6 >>> willing to give a ride to a prospective customer. I have guy in >>> palm city that has never rode in a rv contemplating purchase of my >>> rv6a, but cannot find one in fla.to check out. I know that there is >>> a bunch down there. If someone down that way could help this guy >>> out I sure would appreciate it. Reply to this email with a way to >>> contact you and I will put him in touch. Thanks a bunch. >>> >>> Frank Goggio gilbey69@bellsouth.net >>> Wilmington, NC 910-624-3529 >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:09:56 PM PST US >> From: "gilbey69" >> Subject: Re: RV-List: needs ride >> >> >> thanks eddy,I have flown a 9 and the two are comparable as fusalodge >> setup,and visibility,sure would land slower then the 6, >> if no 6as are available I will have him contact you. thanks for the help >> frank Goggio >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:34:39 PM PST US >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> From: Dale Ellis >> >> >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with a "3-bladed >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or near >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the sole occupant, >> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage >> during a forced landing. >> >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" according to the >> report. >> >> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller make and >> model this aircraft was equipped with? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Dale >> >> RV-8 90/90 >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 11 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 03:24:39 PM PST US >> From: Darrell Reiley >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> >> >> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >> >> Darrell >> >> "do not archive" >> >> >> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: >> >> From: Dale Ellis >>> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >>> Dale Ellis >>> >>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >>> a "3-bladed >>> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >>> near >>> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >>> sole occupant, >>> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >>> substantial damage >>> during a forced landing. >>> >>> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >>> according to the report. >>> >>> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >>> make and >>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dale >>> >>> RV-8 90/90 >>> >>> Forum - >>> FAQ, >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt >>> Dralle, List Admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 12 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 03:55:55 PM PST US >> From: Kevin Horton >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> >> >> He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm not aware of any all >> wood three bladed props. >> >> Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that have have wood core >> blades covered with fibreglass. >> >> Kevin Horton >> >> On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley< >>> lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com> >>> >>> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >>> >>> Darrell >>> >>> "do not archive" >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Dale Ellis >>>> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com >>>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >>>> --> RV-List message posted by: >>>> Dale Ellis >>>> >>>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >>>> a "3-bladed >>>> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or >>>> near >>>> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the >>>> sole occupant, >>>> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained >>>> substantial damage >>>> during a forced landing. >>>> >>>> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" >>>> according to the report. >>>> >>>> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >>>> make and >>>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Dale >>>> >>>> RV-8 90/90 >>>> >>>> Forum - >>>> FAQ, >>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>> List Contribution Web Site - >>>> -Matt >>>> Dralle, List Admin. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 13 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 04:06:41 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> From: thomas sargent >> >> Having a Catto 3-blade on my plane, I checked the stories and pictures I >> could find on the net to see the prop. It doesn't look like a Catto. >> Mine, >> is all black on the aft side. The one on N127TT was white near the root, >> and, from the video, it looks like it wasn't painted on the forward side, >> or >> at least it wasn't painted white. They commented that the prop was >> recently >> installed. >> >> see >> >> http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/05/lost-prop-in-mid-air-plane-crashes-in.html >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Darrell Reiley >> wrote: >> >> >>> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >>> >>> Darrell >>> >>> >>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with >>>> a "3-bladed >>>> >>> >>> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller >>>> make and >>>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Dale >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> Tom Sargent >> >> ________________________________ Message 14 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:12:18 PM PST US >> From: Darrell Reiley >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> >> >> I would take it to be an install issue... >> >> -d- >> >> "do not archive" >> >> >> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Kevin Horton wrote: >> >> From: Kevin Horton >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 5:55 PM >>> Kevin Horton >>> >>> He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm >>> not aware of any all >>> wood three bladed props. >>> >>> Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that >>> have have wood core >>> blades covered with fibreglass. >>> >>> Kevin Horton >>> >>> On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: >>> Reiley >>> >>>> >>>> Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. >>>> >>>> Darrell >>>> >>>> "do not archive" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Dale Ellis >>>>> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in >>>>> >>>> accident? >>> >>>> To: rv-list@matronics.com, >>>>> >>>> rv8-list@matronics.com >>> >>>> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM >>>>> Dale Ellis >>>>> >>>>> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was >>>>> >>>> fitted with >>> >>>> a "3-bladed >>>>> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in >>>>> >>>> flight at or >>> >>>> near >>>>> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private >>>>> >>>> pilot, the >>> >>>> sole occupant, >>>>> received minor injuries and the aircraft >>>>> >>>> sustained >>> >>>> substantial damage >>>>> during a forced landing. >>>>> >>>>> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor >>>>> >>>> injuries" >>> >>>> according to the report. >>>>> >>>>> The question that I have is does anyone know what >>>>> >>>> propeller >>> >>>> make and >>>>> model this aircraft was equipped with? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> Dale >>>>> >>>>> RV-8 90/90 >>>>> >>>>> Forum - >>>>> FAQ, >>>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>>> List Contribution Web Site - >>>>> >>>>> -Matt >>> >>>> Dralle, List Admin. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Forum - >>> FAQ, >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt >>> Dralle, List Admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 15 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:56:42 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? >> From: Bill Boyd >> >> It's _currently_ equipped with a two-bladed wooden prop with the blades >> 120 >> >>> degrees apart instead of the standard 180. Shouldn't be too hard to >>> track >>> down the manufacturer of such an unusual design. >>> >>> >> I keed, I keed ;-) >> >> Glad the pilot is okay. >> >> For those of you flying 3-blade wooden designs, I feel your vague anxiety. >> >> BB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? From: Dan Bergeron JIM: I KNOW YOUR PROP IS THREE-BLADED BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I REMEMBER ABOUT IT. YOU'RE PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE OF THIS SITUATION BUT JUST IN CASE AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH - I'VE FORWARDED INFO ON THE FAILURE OF A "WOODEN" THREE BLADED PROP. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A PROP WITH A WOODEN CORE COVERED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. DAN On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Jerry Calvert wrote: > > Here's a video. Appears to be all wood. > > http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-prague-plane-crash-story,0,7626847 > . > story > > > Jerry Calvert > RV6 > N296JC > Edmond OK > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:55 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > > > He didn't say "all wood". He said "wooden". I'm not aware of any all > wood three bladed props. > > Hoffman, MT and Catto make three-bladed props that have have wood core > blades covered with fibreglass. > > Kevin Horton > > On 20/05/10 06:23 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley< > lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com> > > > > Hmmm... Not to many all wood three blades out there. > > > > Darrell > > > > "do not archive" > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Dale Ellis wrote: > > > > > >> From: Dale Ellis > >> Subject: RV-List: What propeller was involved in accident? > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com > >> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:25 PM > >> --> RV-List message posted by: > >> Dale Ellis > >> > >> The NTSB web site reports that a RV-8 that was fitted with > >> a "3-bladed > >> wooden propeller" lost one propeller blade in flight at or > >> near > >> Prague, OK on May 06, 2010. The private pilot, the > >> sole occupant, > >> received minor injuries and the aircraft sustained > >> substantial damage > >> during a forced landing. > >> > >> Fortunately the pilot only received "minor injuries" > >> according to the report. > >> > >> The question that I have is does anyone know what propeller > >> make and > >> model this aircraft was equipped with? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Dale > >> > >> RV-8 90/90 > >> > >> Forum - > >> FAQ, > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.