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Fri 05/28/10


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 08:01 AM - Cessna & Vans (Bill Boyd)
     2. 09:15 AM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Marty Helller)
     3. 09:39 AM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Randy Utsey)
     4. 10:24 AM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Michael Kraus)
     5. 10:52 AM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Bill Boyd)
     6. 11:03 AM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Robin Marks)
     7. 11:45 AM - Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps (Dale Ellis)
     8. 12:37 PM - Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin (Bill Boyd)
     9. 01:08 PM - Re: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps (Deems Davis)
    10. 02:01 PM - Re: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps (Robin Marks)
    11. 02:58 PM - Re: Cessna & Vans (Skylor Piper)
    12. 03:43 PM - Re: Cessna & Vans (Bill Boyd)
    13. 05:01 PM - Re: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps (Ed Anderson)
    14. 08:49 PM - Re: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps (RV6 Flyer)
    15. 09:42 PM - Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... Phase 1 Pirep! (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:01:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Cessna & Vans
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new Cessna Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, beginning with the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax from the back pocket of the Cessna buyer ;-) The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, nearly as well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest 172 knots. But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the Cessna will carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she has to leave all her baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their baggage behind, too, and no handheld transceivers, headsets, or charts can be accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I continue to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" involves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build their ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... -Stormy


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    Time: 09:15:33 AM PST US
    From: Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    Stormy=2C I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As one who pens my EAA chapter's rag=2C there is a lot of work that goes into it. If you're not one to appreciate some or any of the articles=2C all you have to do is dispose of it. Yes=2C RV's are great planes=2C but one doesn't not build an RV in a day =2C nor does one have all the the Part 23 requirements=2C employee salaries =2C or company support (& liability) as OEMs do. If I'd have bought=2C rather than start to build=2C I would have been fl ying 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to sign off a used RV=2C vice a used Cessna. Please put the rocks down. Marty Heller RV-7=2C wiring.... Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans From: sportav8r@gmail.com Just got my latest AOPA rag=2C and was checking the specs on the new Cessna Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious=2C beginning w ith the prime objective of removing $644=2C000 plus tax from the back pocke t of the Cessna buyer =3B-) The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease=2C nearly as well as my RV-6A=3B the TT better not even try. Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort=2C the Corvalis ticks off the mile s at 227 knots=2C while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more mod est 172 knots. But=2C the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission=2C the Cessna will carry two 180-pound men=2C one 104 # trophy wife=2C and she has to leave al l her baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their bagg age behind=2C too=2C and no handheld transceivers=2C headsets=2C or charts can be accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load ma kes the TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I continu e to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" invol ves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build thei r ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... -Stormy _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1


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    Time: 09:39:02 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Utsey" <randy@djdist.com>
    Subject: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    Fly naked! Carry more fuel! Randy Utsey RV-7 Charlotte, N.C. From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Helller Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin Stormy, I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As one who pens my EAA chapter's rag, there is a lot of work that goes into it. If you're not one to appreciate some or any of the articles, all you have to do is dispose of it. Yes, RV's are great planes, but one doesn't not build an RV in a day, nor does one have all the the Part 23 requirements, employee salaries, or company support (& liability) as OEMs do. If I'd have bought, rather than start to build, I would have been flying 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to sign off a used RV, vice a used Cessna. Please put the rocks down. Marty Heller RV-7, wiring.... _____ Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans From: sportav8r@gmail.com Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new Cessna Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, beginning with the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax from the back pocket of the Cessna buyer ;-) The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, nearly as well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest 172 knots. But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the Cessna will carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she has to leave all her baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their baggage behind, too, and no handheld transceivers, headsets, or charts can be accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I continue to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" involves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build their ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... -Stormy p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. <http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1>


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    Time: 10:24:51 AM PST US
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    I think he meant 'mag'.... Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com> wrote: > Stormy, > > I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As > one who pens my EAA chapter's rag, there is a lot of work that goes > into it. If you're not one to appreciate some or any of the > articles, all you have to do is dispose of it. > > Yes, RV's are great planes, but one doesn't not build an RV in a > day, nor does one have all the the Part 23 requirements, employee > salaries, or company support (& liability) as OEMs do. > > If I'd have bought, rather than start to build, I would have been > flying 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to > sign off a used RV, vice a used Cessna. > > Please put the rocks down. > > > Marty Heller > RV-7, wiring.... > > > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:59:15 -0400 > Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans > From: sportav8r@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new > Cessna Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... > > The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, > beginning with the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax > from the back pocket of the Cessna buyer ;-) > > The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, > nearly as well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. > > Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the > miles at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a > more modest 172 knots. > > But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage > with its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the > Cessna will carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she > has to leave all her baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys > have to leave their baggage behind, too, and no handheld > transceivers, headsets, or charts can be accommodated without > draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the TT a > basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. > > I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I > continue to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to > bang the rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. > "Total Performance" involves a whole lot more than just the sweet > cruise speed and fairly good climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. > > Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to > build their ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a > Vans... > > -Stormy > > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from > your inbox. Learn more. > >


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    Time: 10:52:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Marty- "Rag" was a deliberate choice, and a mere (albeit slightly diminutive) colloquialism. Neither endearment nor disparagement were implied. I took no umbrage over the article featuring the Cessna; like many others may have done, I took one glance at the pictures and said to myself, "Hey, that looks a bit like an RV-12. Wonder how they compare?" So I read the details in the magazine and on Van's site, and started doing a (literal) back-of-the-envelope comparison of the numbers. I have the rent check envelope right here if you want to see it ;-) My conclusion was that, despite the visual similarities, the planes are widely different in cost, performance and mission profile, but the RV-10 need not feel ashamed of being the lower and slower of the two ships. As a builder in the days of slow-build kits ("Here's your bauxite; make some aluminum and then shape it like this..."), I don't need reminding of the gulf that separates the homebuilding experience (and end result) from that of the spam factories. Oops, I said, "spam" - was that pejorative? I see you modified my thread title to include a "war" reference. I assure you, there are no "rocks" here, Marty, save those that might be between your ears. <-- That was humor, son. If you didn't care for it, "all you have to do is dispose of it," right? Now, feel free to discuss the new Cessna and/or what you ended up paying into and getting out of your RV-10 - or not... Either way, y'all have a blessed Memorial Day and fly safe. -Stormy On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com>wrote: > Stormy, > > I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As one who > pens my EAA chapter's rag, there is a lot of work that goes into it. If > you're not one to appreciate some or any of the articles, all you have to do > is dispose of it. > > Yes, RV's are great planes, but one doesn't not build an RV in a day, nor > does one have all the the Part 23 requirements, employee salaries, or > company support (& liability) as OEMs do. > > If I'd have bought, rather than start to build, I would have been flying > 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to sign off a used > RV, vice a used Cessna. > > Please put the rocks down. > > > Marty Heller > RV-7, wiring.... > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:59:15 -0400 > Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans > From: sportav8r@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new Cessna > Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... > > The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, beginning > with the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax from the back pocket > of the Cessna buyer ;-) > > The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, nearly as > well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. > > Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles > at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest > 172 knots. > > But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with > its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the Cessna will > carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she has to leave all her > baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their baggage > behind, too, and no handheld transceivers, headsets, or charts can be > accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the > TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. > > I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I > continue to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the > rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" > involves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good > climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. > > Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build > their ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... > > -Stormy > > * > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1> > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 11:03:52 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    Mag / Rag it=92s all a term of endearment. I have to say if price were no object I would have consider the Corvalis, Lancair, Columbia whatever you call it=85 depending on the time one made th e purchase. The latest Corvalis release is an amazing sculpture in flying form. Spend just a few minutes walking around the aircraft and one sees the incredible attention to detail, magnificent lines and well thought out components. It is truly a stunning flying machine. That being said it is no t too often that price is no object and the -10 is much more practical and usable plane for most pilots willing to fly in the experimental category. Throw in the unknown of composite aircraft 20+ years down the road and a metal plane makes even more sense. It must be said there are many pilots that will not own an experimental. I personally hope I never own another certified aircraft but that is just me. Add in the cost of maintenance on a certified plane plus insurance mostly based on hull value and the RV-10 literally fills it=92s tanks for free. And to answer your question one CAN spend $644K building and RV, it just happens to look like 2 RV-10=92s, 1 RV -8, 1 RV-7A and a 2011 Corvette to use as a tug. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Kraus *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2010 10:22 AM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin I think he meant 'mag'.... Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com> wrote: Stormy, I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As one who pens my EAA chapter's rag, there is a lot of work that goes into it. If you're not one to appreciate some or any of the articles, all you have to d o is dispose of it. Yes, RV's are great planes, but one doesn't not build an RV in a day, nor does one have all the the Part 23 requirements, employee salaries, or company support (& liability) as OEMs do. If I'd have bought, rather than start to build, I would have been flying 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to sign off a used RV, vice a used Cessna. Please put the rocks down. Marty Heller RV-7, wiring.... ------------------------------ Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans From: sportav8r@gmail.com Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new Cessna Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, beginning wit h the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax from the back pocket of the Cessna buyer ;-) The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, nearly as well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest 172 knots. But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with it s fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the Cessna will carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she has to leave all her baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their baggage behind, too, and no handheld transceivers, headsets, or charts can be accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I continu e to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" involves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build thei r ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... -Stormy * * * * *p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* *ronics.com* *ww.matronics.com/contribution* * * ------------------------------ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox . Learn more.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326: :T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1> * * * * * * * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * *


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    Time: 11:45:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps
    From: Dale Ellis <rv8builder.kd0m@gmail.com>
    I am sure that someone has used stainless steel tape (available from JC Whitney) on the leading edge of the flaps rather then the UHMW tape that Vans recommends/sells. If you have, would you share your experience with that product. Thanks and have a safe Memorial Day holiday. Dale


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    Time: 12:37:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote: > >> The latest Corvalis release is an amazing sculpture in flying form. > Spend just a few minutes walking around the aircraft and one sees the > incredible attention to detail, magnificent lines and well thought out > components. It is truly a stunning flying machine. << > I particularly liked the venturis in the wheel pants to keep the brakes cool. Nice touch, and a mod I might consider on the 6A. > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Kraus > *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2010 10:22 AM > > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Cessna & Vans - let the war begin > > > I think he meant 'mag'.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 28, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Marty Helller <marty_away@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Stormy, > > I'm sure you meant the term AOPA 'RAG' as one of endearment. As one who > pens my EAA chapter's rag, there is a lot of work that goes into it. If > you're not one to appreciate some or any of the articles, all you have to do > is dispose of it. > > Yes, RV's are great planes, but one doesn't not build an RV in a day, nor > does one have all the the Part 23 requirements, employee salaries, or > company support (& liability) as OEMs do. > > If I'd have bought, rather than start to build, I would have been flying > 5 years ago...... And it's a bit harder to find an A/P to sign off a used > RV, vice a used Cessna. > > Please put the rocks down. > > > Marty Heller > RV-7, wiring.... > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:59:15 -0400 > Subject: RV-List: Cessna & Vans > From: sportav8r@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Just got my latest AOPA rag, and was checking the specs on the new Cessna > Corvalis TT versus the similar-looking and familiar RV-10... > > > The different missions of these two four-seaters are obvious, beginning > with the prime objective of removing $644,000 plus tax from the back pocket > of the Cessna buyer ;-) > > > The 10 will get in and out of my 2000 foot grass strip with ease, nearly as > well as my RV-6A; the TT better not even try. > > > Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles > at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest > 172 knots. > > > But, the 10 will carry 4 good-size people and 100 pounds of baggage with > its fuel tanks full. For the same topped-tanks mission, the Cessna will > carry two 180-pound men, one 104 # trophy wife, and she has to leave all her > baggage behind - not even a purse. The guys have to leave their baggage > behind, too, and no handheld transceivers, headsets, or charts can be > accommodated without draining some fuel. A 464 pound useful load makes the > TT a basically two person airplane if the tanks are full. > > > I'm not a -10 owner or builder (but I've sat in one at SnF) - yet I > continue to be amazed at what Van has created for those willing to bang the > rivets and sand & fill the fiberglass for a few years. "Total Performance" > involves a whole lot more than just the sweet cruise speed and fairly good > climb rates of Cessna's latest offering. > > > Wonder what -10 builders are coming up with for all-up costs to build > their ships? Seems it would be darn hard to tie up 644k in a Vans... > > > -Stormy > > * * > > * * > > *p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > > *ronics.com* > > *ww.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > ------------------------------ > > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more.<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1> > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse > > Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > > *w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Li* > > =====================< - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > ** > > m">http://forums.matronics.com > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ====================== > > * * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 01:08:47 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps
    IMNSHO you are better off putting the tape UNDER the trailing edge of the wing and not on the leading edge of the flap. I used the clear UHMW 1" width and with it hidden it works great. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com On 5/28/2010 11:41 AM, Dale Ellis wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Dale Ellis<rv8builder.kd0m@gmail.com> > > I am sure that someone has used stainless steel tape (available from > JC Whitney) on the leading edge of the flaps rather then the UHMW tape > that Vans recommends/sells. > > If you have, would you share your experience with that product. > > Thanks and have a safe Memorial Day holiday. > > Dale > > >


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    Time: 02:01:38 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps
    I recently read how an RV builder took the soft portion of a 1=94 Velcro st rip and placed it on the underside of the wing instead of Deems system. He said it worked great. I have no opinion on the subject just passing along the info. Robin *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Deems Davis *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2010 1:08 PM *To:* rv-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps IMNSHO you are better off putting the tape UNDER the trailing edge of the wing and not on the leading edge of the flap. I used the clear UHMW 1" widt h and with it hidden it works great. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com On 5/28/2010 11:41 AM, Dale Ellis wrote: <rv8builder.kd0m@gmail.com> I am sure that someone has used stainless steel tape (available from JC Whitney) on the leading edge of the flaps rather then the UHMW tape that Vans recommends/sells. If you have, would you share your experience with that product. Thanks and have a safe Memorial Day holiday. Dale * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * *


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    Time: 02:58:30 PM PST US
    From: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Cessna & Vans
    On May 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote: Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest 172 knots. I don't think the Corvalis is pressurized. Oxygen required. Skylor


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    Time: 03:43:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cessna & Vans
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    You caught me making an assumption - based on what I read about inflatable door seals. My bad. On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote: > > Cruising at FL250 in pressurized comfort, the Corvalis ticks off the miles > at 227 knots, while the RV-10 probably tops out at FL200 and a more modest > 172 knots. > > > I don't think the Corvalis is pressurized. Oxygen required. > > Skylor > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 05:01:35 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps
    Hi Dale, I put stainless steel tape on the flaps of my 1998 RV-6A and still flying with it and it's still working just fine. I keep thinking it would wear out one of these days - but, not yet. I got my tape (3" width) from the auto parts JCWhitney catalog store. http://www.jcwhitney.com/stainless-steel tape/p2000575.jcwx#prodDetailTabPanel http://www.jcwhitney.com/stainless-steel-tape/p2000575.jcwx#prodDetailTabPan el They have it up to 8 3/4" wide Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ellis Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps I am sure that someone has used stainless steel tape (available from JC Whitney) on the leading edge of the flaps rather then the UHMW tape that Vans recommends/sells. If you have, would you share your experience with that product. Thanks and have a safe Memorial Day holiday. Dale


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    Time: 08:49:55 PM PST US
    From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps
    I have had the Stainless Steel tape since before first flight in September 1997. Van use to recommend it but switched to the UHMW when they could not get good batches of the stainless tape. Yes what I have came from Van's but it said JC Whitney on the box. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C377+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA > Date: Fri=2C 28 May 2010 14:41:11 -0400 > Subject: RV-List: Using Stainless Steel Tape on the flaps > From: rv8builder.kd0m@gmail.com > To: rv-list@matronics.com=3B rv8-list@matronics.com > > > I am sure that someone has used stainless steel tape (available from > JC Whitney) on the leading edge of the flaps rather then the UHMW tape > that Vans recommends/sells. > > If you have=2C would you share your experience with that product. > > Thanks and have a safe Memorial Day holiday. > > Dale > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hot mail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4


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    Time: 09:42:05 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Livermore To Salinas In 30 Minutes... Phase 1 Pirep!
    Wow, what a beautiful evening for a flight in a brand new RV-8! The sky was clear; the clouds were few, the wind was low. I decided to fly over to Salinas airport and clocked in at exactly 30 minutes! I was down to about 1/3 tanks, so I gassed up. Kind of pricey, though, at $4.75/gal. There's a really nice cafe' there at the airport so I'll definitely be heading back there for a greasy cheese burger at some point! In one of the hangers I peered in and saw not only a sweet RV-8 in RED, but also a sweet RV-10! Turns out that both built and owned by the same guy! Imagine, having two homebuilt airplanes! That's crazy! Oh... I walked around the corner and found the airplane paint shop the Livermore airport guys have been telling me about, T&P Aero Refinishers. Best of all, the owner was there and I got the tour and we talked about paint jobs. He recommended against Candy Apple (transparent red over silver or gold), because of the rivets. I guess the gold/silver pools in the rivets and there's no way to get a good look. But, there are some paints that will give a very similar look in a single stage. He also said that clear coating wouldn't be a problem. He's going to write me up a quote next week, and I'm on the calendar for October 2010 to get painted! Yahoo! The flight home was simply beautiful! The sun was low in the sky and there was just enough time when I got back to Livermore to shoot about 5 or 6 touch-n-goes! The sun dropped behind the hill just as finished my last one! Sweet! The Airplane Flying HOBBS meter now reports 20.3 hours!! So far no major issues. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Phase 1 Test Flying - 20.3 Hours And Counting!




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