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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: RV-6A/7A test plan (John Ciolino)
3. 04:24 AM - Re: RV-6A/7A test plan (Dale Ensing)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Richard Martin)
5. 11:43 AM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks)
6. 12:53 PM - Stormy's Fly-In 6/26/10 (Bill Boyd)
7. 02:39 PM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Bruce Gray)
8. 02:39 PM - RV8 Building Question (Jerry Grimmonpre)
9. 04:01 PM - Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion |
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*Mark,*
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*Here is how we drilled and attached our canopy (no cracks)!!*
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*1. We heated the garage to about 90 degress 6 hours prior to starting to *
*work.*
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*2. We drilled the initial holes with a #40*
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*3. Opened up the #40 hole to the proper size with a Uni-Bit (single flute
no *
*grabbing!*
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*When we installed the canopy and shirt we use semi-weld (Pro-seal) in *
*caulking type tube that premixes it ( you'll need to use/borrow a *
*specialized caulking type gun to use the tubed material. We used minimal
alu *
*pop rivets (mostly as keeper riviets). The semi-weld method is the same as
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*used on the Christian Eagles and Pits (without any rivets). You can also *
*paint the semi-weld after.*
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*Works and looks great and has some ability to flex (read deal with stress,*
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*Good Building,*
* *
*Chuck & Dave Rowbotham*
*RV-8A (Nianitc, CT)*
*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *MLWynn@aol.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:40 PM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
Hey gents,
I am at the same spot. Have been considering sikaflex (how I did the
canopy) and 3M 5200. Where in the archives would I find this information?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Finishing
San Ramon, CA
In a message dated 6/17/2010 10:54:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
crowbotham@hotmail.com writes:
Hi Robin,
We used the same adhensive that Christian Eagle uses on our 8A. The complete
details with product info are in the archives. The RV was hangered in CT
and flown on a regular basis through out the year over nine years - No
cracks and no change in the seal.
Hope this helps - Keep at it - it's really worth the effort!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (Sold)
RV-9A (Dave's building)
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From: robin@PaintTheWeb.com
Subject: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans
call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets
(we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | RV-6A/7A test plan |
Tom,
Take a look at Kevin Horton=99s web site: www.kilohotel.com. Click
on =9CFlight Test Links=9D in the column on the left, then
on =9CTest Plans=9D. Plenty of sample plans to use.
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of thomas sargent
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan
I am starting to work on a test plan which the FAA wants you to have by
the time you get an airworthiness certificate. Are there any samples of
these of these available on the web anywhere? Does any one have one
they would be willing to divulge?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-6A/7A test plan |
Give your local EAA Flight Advisor a call.
Find Flight Advisor here
http://members.eaa.org/home/lookup/FindFlightAdvisor.asp
He can help you with the plan and first flight prep.
Dale Ensing
EAA FA & TC
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas sargent
To: rv-list
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-6A/7A test plan
I am starting to work on a test plan which the FAA wants you to have
by the time you get an airworthiness certificate. Are there any samples
of these of these available on the web anywhere? Does any one have one
they would be willing to divulge?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion |
robin,
10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I
procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie
rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the
adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during
the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet
points.
This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other
installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after
flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates
substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I
live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience
helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process.
Dick Martin
RV8
N233M
the fast one
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans
> call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets
> (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
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>
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| Subject: | Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion |
Thanks Dick,
This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch
weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it
before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4
canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a
perfectly clean canopy.
Thanks,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Martin
*Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
robin,
10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I
procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie
rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the
adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during
the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet
points.
This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other
installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after
flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates
substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I
live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience
helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process.
Dick Martin
RV8
N233M
the fast one
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans
call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets
(we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | Stormy's Fly-In 6/26/10 |
As we reach one week from the festivities, I'd like a nose count for food
planning purposes. Private e-mail to my gmail address would be fine.
Thanks, everyone!
Bill & MIriam Boyd
12VA
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| Subject: | Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion |
Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill
holes in plexiglass.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
Thanks Dick,
This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch
weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used
it before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to
my RV-4 canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first
crack in a perfectly clean canopy.
Thanks,
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
robin,
10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I
procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use
ie rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or
trust the adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful
you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear
from the rivet points.
This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other
installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after
flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates
substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I
live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this
experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive
process.
Dick Martin
RV8
N233M
the fast one
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com>
wrote:
It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the
plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to
pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?
Thanks,
Robin
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| Subject: | RV8 Building Question |
Dear Listers,
My thanks to those who contributed their expertise, experience, and just
down to earth tips about how to start building a purchased project. In this
case the building manual had missing pages. This list has highly qualified
people who love to share their stories. I'm now launching this build in the
middle of something I'm confident about.
Many thanks fellow builders ...
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| Subject: | Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion |
Unless you want to stop a crack (probably from the hole you drilled in the
plexiglass!)
Scotch Weld it is, no drilling required.
Robin
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owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Gray
*Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 1:00 PM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
*Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill holes
in plexiglass.*
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Bruce
www.Glasair.org
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*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 1:09 PM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
Thanks Dick,
This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch
weld from Spruce. $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it
before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4
canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a
perfectly clean canopy.
Thanks,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Martin
*Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2010 6:06 AM
*To:* rv-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV-List: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame
Suggestion
robin,
10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started. I
procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie
rivets or adhesive. I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the
adhesive process. That was a mistake. No matter how careful you are during
the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet
points.
This forced me to stop drill the cracks. I have watched other
installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks. I noticed after
flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates
substantially with weather changes, especially in winter and summer. I
live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience
helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process.
Dick Martin
RV8
N233M
the fast one
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans
call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets
(we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?
Thanks,
Robin
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